TO doesn’t want you gambling
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So does booze, drugs, financial infidelity, bad investments.
Lots of ways for a family unit to crumble other than just by gambling.
Degenerate gamblers are degenerate gamblers. Most of these dumb asses think they can wager on football, basketball, baseball, hockey, jai alai, horses, slots, pool, cards, keno, etc ect.
My opinion is find out what you're good at (if anything) and stick with it, let the other sports alone. If gambling is strictly recreational, and you have the mindset to keep it that way, its a lot of fun.
The problem is, especially young guys, they get on that hamster wheel at a young age, and it consumes them. For every (and I know a LOT of them) 1 gambler that does well, I know 99 that suck at gambling, and will always suck at gambling, because in their mind they know it all, and they don't know shit.
Broken marriages, credit card debt to their limits and beyond, just a matter of time before they start intermingling company funds or any way they can get their hands on money. It controls some of their lives. None of them will seek any help, until its too late and they've ruined their and other's lives. Bunch of losers.
I thought TO was a truly great coach, and a gambler as well. He may not have ponied money down on the outcome of events, but when you bring in potential problems like the Christian Peters, Lawrence Phillips, Terrell Farley and others, he was gambling against their natural tendencies that he would win and not lose.
When you go for it on 4th and 1 from your own 30 yard line and don't make it, that's just another form of gambling Going for 2 with the national championship on the line vs. Miami is nothing more than a calculated gamble that failed.
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All true. That doesn’t negate the negative consequences of gambling for a percentage of the population. Tom has clearly been an outspoken opponent of all of those things as well and has led by example. I find it difficult to criticize him fir his stance.
I loved TO as a football coach, and respect the heck out of the man. Having said that, I voted against his politics as both Congressman and Governor. Wasn't personal, I just hated his overall politics. Just because he is an upstanding man, you can't change human nature. Just as there are many bad actors as just citizens, so also is it true in athletics, coaching and beyond.
If he has the position, and its obvious he has, and he was 100% concerned about the ill effects of gambling, then NU would not have been running rampant with steroid use for years and compromising the health of so many of his former players. You know Tom was a smart enough guy to know we WERE cheating like a sonofabitch to win.
After having had our asses handed to us by the OU, Miami, FSU's of the football world and their relatively corrupt culture to just win, at a point Tom joined that same fraternity where winning became paramount, forget the steps that were necessary to get to that same level. We know what they were, or at least we should if we take off the rose colored glasses. As a football fan, did that bother me? Hell no, I didn't mind NU using the same tactics to win as those teams that were getting it done at the highest level.
For many reasons, 99% of the state of Nebraska fans have the highest regard for Coach Osborne. But, if you go around the country and ask people what they think of him as a football coach, they don't look at him any different than the other top cheating coaches in the country. I'm not dogging the man, and all that he's accomplished, but, he looked the other way many, many times if it was resulting in wins.
In horseracing, its a sport built on drugs, equipment and the human element. Hell, I've made a career of researching and identifying the best cheaters in that industry. It doesn't make any difference if I think the trainer is a total slimeball, if he can routinely put good paying horses in the winners circles, it works just fine for me.
What's the difference if I were wagering on NU's football team when they were the top echelon of steroid users in the country, as long as they were winning and satisfying me as a fan? There is no difference.
I don't give a rats ass what Tom's opinion is. And apparently the lawmakers didn't either.
You are saying a conservative Republican wants to restrict freedoms? Huh, would have never seen that coming.. Weird…
Did you even read what he said. He was talking about betting on Nebraska sports by Nebraskans . It came about with the sports books opening in Nebraska. He said you should not be able to bet on Nebraska sports from these places: he said nothing about Gambling in general affecting the family or people’s lives.
Gambling isn’t a freedom. Restricting free speech is your boy’s move…then you call them freedumbs
dingle, please direct me to TO's outspoken opposition to financial infidelity and bad investments with his public comments, I seem to have missed that.
What else is new? TO has been publicly campaigning against gambling for many decades. At least he's consistent.
I wonder if Frost did any in-game live betting on Nebraska games when he was the coach...
He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with remarkable consistency.
I was referring to the way he’s led by example in those cases. He’s lived in a pretty modest home his whole life. He drives American made inexpensive cars etc. Not once was there a contract problem where he held us up for money. Frugal would be a word I use to describe TO. People can say a lot but what they do is more important.
I think people that don't gamble also don't understand gambling.
Most people gamble for fun, not to make money or get a quick fix to some financial burden.
Like when I golf with friends and we bet...loser buys lunch/beers.
When I bet on CFB, it is not me trying to make money to pay my car off, it is for fun and so I can rip on my friends if they made a bet and lost.
There is this very odd idea that everyone that gambles is gambling away all their money but that just is not true. Sportsbooks and casinos want the small dollar gambler, there are more of us and we are better customers.
Most people gamble for fun, not to make money or get a quick fix to some financial burden.
Like when I golf with friends and we bet...loser buys lunch/beers.
When I bet on CFB, it is not me trying to make money to pay my car off, it is for fun and so I can rip on my friends if they made a bet and lost.
There is this very odd idea that everyone that gambles is gambling away all their money but that just is not true. Sportsbooks and casinos want the small dollar gambler, there are more of us and we are better customers.
Unfortunately I live near the Warhorse casino. and besides the drunks piling out of that place late at night, the most amazing thing is how many cars with cracked windshields, duct tape and wire holding the rest of it together are rolling in there. I mean, you can't afford to get you car actually safe and road worthy, but damn, you need to run in there and push that button or lay that $2 on that nag to show - lol.
You said people who piss money away gambling on crap are stupid. My reply is its none of your business how people want to spend their money.
I'm sure you waste your share of money on stupid shit too, as we all do.
You said he was outspoken on those two issues, and I said show me where he was publicly outspoken against it.
Tom was pretty privileged growing up, it just didn't transfer to him when he became successful.
First of all, if you're gonna bet $ 2.00 to show, you don't know wtf you're doing.
Then you've got the drunks who leave the bar at 1 in the morning, pile into their $ 70,000.00 vehicle with their
$ 1.200.00 a month payment they can't afford after spending $ 100.00 on booze that night. They maybe driving a road worthy vehicle, but their ass should be in jail. What's the diff?
What’s crazy is people brag about how expensive their monthly car payment is. Just insane !! Who brags about paying 1200 a month for your ford raptor
I think the biggest problem is some that gamble simply can’t afford to lose the money IMO.
Pop into any casino and most fall into this category unfortunately. I hate losing more than I like winning so I’m a cheapskate when it comes to gambling. What happened to $5 tables 🤣🤣
Quick story about gambling. I had a buddy at the racetrack I ran into.
Asked him how he was doing and he said, "I hope I break even today cause I really need the money."
Maybe you are fine. But even some or most of the small dollar gamblers can’t afford to be there. I was sitting next to an older lady playing a machine. Her husband walked up ask how it was going she said not well. He told her he would go write a check to get more money. Can we afford to do that? Don’t worry the Social security check will hit before this Check clears it’s fine. They were playing dollar machines.
Of course there are stories like that.
But again, casinos don't make (most) their money off broke people. They don't want your last dollar...they want you to enjoy your time there and come back often.
I love how people can just walk into a casino with the ability to calculate the net worth and can determine the amount of discretionary income everyone in the place has.
Remember, if there is a cracked windshield the person is dirt poor and down to their last 10 dollars.
I'd be willing to wager you could do this and have a pretty high batting percentage. I get what you're saying, and it was funny....but I think you could drawm some pretty darn accurate conclusions in about 5 seconds or less.
It is always easy to justify one's actions by pointing out others. That doesn't make one any better or worse than the other but in some minds, they are.
I admit I do not gamble and do not even care to learn. The fact that states got involved, tell us something about human nature and the need to prey on the weak, even at the state level. There is a reason casinos are very nice and fancy places - the odds are in their favor by a wide margin.
The difference is that guy coming out of the casino is drunk and has no working tail lights or headlights or some other malfunction that lends itself to an accident.
I get that you are a connoisseur of the fine art of all things gambling. I am not.
I agree that people should be able blow their money in any way they see fit as long as it's not hurting anyone else.
Just too many folks that cannot manage themselves (like any addiction) and then choose to complain about not being able to cover legitimate expenses because they are hitting the casino daily. I have a family member who drives on a constant low tire and can't afford to fix it - she has a $75K year job - and she spends 2-3 days a week at the casinos in Council Bluffs.
I drive right by it at least twice a day and more on the weekends. Yes, there are plenty of nice vehicles in there, but plenty of buckets parked in the VIP section - it's the same cars all the time. We have had numerous close calls with reckless drivers (not all are drunk, but my guess is at least 50%) leaving the parking lot. No headlights, speeding, wrong lane, etc...
You’re right. I should have stated that differently. I don’t have a problem with your gambling. My personal experience though involves several friends who lost everything due to gambling addictions. One committed suicide. Another drank himself to death after his wife left him. The third was able to quit and salvage his marriage and life. Not everybody has your intelligence and success when it comes to gambling.
My biggest issue is with slots and video gaming. They are designed to be addictive and there’s zero skill involved in playing them. I love to watch the ponies and lay a few bucks down on them. I don’t care if people bet on sports. I really don’t. I don’t think we need slot machines in every bar in town though.
"intelligence" and "success" have nothing to do with it
discipline and accountability do, though
if adults lack these two things, frankly, society has no use for them anyway
Since I've enjoyed gambling for over half a century, trust me, most gamblers suck at what they try to do. It's been shown scientifically that an addicted gambler just has a chemical light up in their brain when they get into that environment. They can't help themselves. Those that fail to acknowledge that their behavior is fueld by the environment and continue to pursue it will ultimately wind up in ruin. I could name hundreds over the years, you can just look at their eyes and know they are under some type of a spell. I've been fortunate to always have been a controlled gambler, and not a degenerate.
I think we all have a family member that falls under that same type umbrella. I had a cousin, who's a friend also, that wanted to borrow money from me. I loan/give money to people all the time. This time I told him, if you're broke and need to borrow money for something worthwhile, why the **** do you have a $ 1,500.00 smartphone? Hell, I used, and loved my cheap ass flip phone for 15 years until they finally did away with the algorithm that allowed it to function. So, Instead of buying a new phone, I asked my wife for her $ 100.00 smart phone and split the price with her for a new phone for about $ 200.00 total. Just because a guy has money, doesn't mean he has to blow it. Right?
To the last point about the drunks, regardless of their vehicles condition. Im admittedly anal about drunks and drinking, cause it negatively affected my whole family growing up. So, it doesn't take much for me to address the topic of drunks. I've been married 48 years and never had a drop of alcohol in my home. Social drinking is awesome, my wife might have 15-20 beers a year, and I love that she enjoys it, at least I'm gonna be a sober designated driver. I've had several family members killed either by a drunk driver or when they were driving drunk, so its always a touchy subject for me. People don't need my approval to go out and get shitfaced, whatever consequences they face, they deserve.
dingle, you and I are on the same page, I was just flipping you some good natured crap. Like yourself, I know lots of guys who have lost everything because they were addicted to gambling. I know 2 "kids" who are now 40's that have been in the pen for 10 years of so due to stealing company funds to gamble with. They both were addicted gamblers and I felt for them, but only up to a certain point because they both left behind nice young ladies and a couple of small children.
I've been fortunate to do well gambling, that is because I wasn't cursed with that type of addicted personality. If I had the same chemical reaction in my brain to gambling as those degenerates were, I would be in ruin too, no doubt. I'm kinda like Tampa Bay in that I hate to lose more than I love to win.
I love slots, so does my wife, and although talk is cheap, we both do so recreationally and profitably. Believe it or not, I can read the spools on many different types of slot machines, and I never play machines where the spools are unclear. Video slots, forget it, you are EXACTLY right, those things were created to be addictive, and I knew that going in, so my wife and I avoid them at all costs.
Quick, true story. (That's right Stone Temple, this is a true story). About 15 years ago my wife and I were driving from LA to Las Vegas about 8 in the morning. So we get to Pratt, Nevada?, about 30-40 miles west of Las Vegas. So, I have to take a leak and so we stop in the casino and then we each throw 20.00 into a slot, donate and get ready to leave. On the walls are lots of pics of John and Jane Doe who won a million, 500K, etc, and my wife says, "Im sure it happened but Ive have to see it for myself."
So we get into Las Vegas and go into NYNY and I'm playing horses at the sports book and my wife is playing .25 Wheel of Fortune. About 5 minutes after she sits down, this nice lady is down to her last 15 quarters in his machine She hits the button and hits the jackpot. $ 1.40 Million net. It took her till 4:00 to get her money. So, it happens, but as Tru Husker says, they don't built those nice casinos from very many big winners. That lady, aged 50, was a secretary from Hawaii, in town for a company banquet. Good for her, she was really a nice person. She said she thought she would just go back to working. (I'm thinking, okay, so you probably make 40K a year. Have you ever divided $ 1 .40 million by 40K?) She could stay home for the next 35 years and never miss a beat. More power to her, she may have loved her job.
As an addition to this. I always told my wife to enjoy herself, have as many beers as she likes, but when she gets home I need her to be "somewhat" conscious. LOL
