Bummer news to wake up to. Prayers to the slain/injured, families, church body, and local residents. Hope they catch the guy before he does more harm or offs himself.
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I am ok with him offing himself. Just don't publicize it like crazy, and dig into his past. Clean up the brain matter and move on, society would he better off anyway.Bummer news to wake up to. Prayers to the slain/injured, families, church body, and local residents. Hope they catch the guy before he does more harm or offs himself.
Can't stand those murder suicide types. Let him face justice and think about his next 60+ years incarcerated or entering a death penalty chamber. Let him feel discomfort and pain like his victims.
He wants to take your guns away.I don't understand...what would you do to stop something like this?
He wants to take your guns away.
This was a tragic, senseless act. So was the fact that many more idiots chose to drink and drive today, and kill people. So are the countless murders, shootings, rapes, etc etc that are going to happen today that ultimately outnumber what happened yesterday. There are plenty of lunatics in this country. Focusing on one facet of tragedies because it is easy, and fits your weak-minded need for something to blame is not going to do a damn thing after the fact. Universal healthcare should catch all these mental cases in advance.... right?
This was a tragic, senseless act. So was the fact that many more idiots chose to drink and drive today, and kill people. So are the countless murders, shootings, rapes, etc etc that are going to happen today that ultimately outnumber what happened yesterday. There are plenty of lunatics in this country. Focusing on one facet of tragedies because it is easy, and fits your weak-minded need for something to blame is not going to do a damn thing after the fact. Universal healthcare should catch all these mental cases in advance.... right?
This sounds great, but how do we legislate this? You can cover your family, but how do you make sure the family down the street gets the same upbringing?We teach early on in life to be respectful of life, of others and that disagreements happen. We teach people about proper gun safety and using guns properly.
We stop making every situation in life the next crisis and find solutions to smaller problems as they exist in life.
Self control basically and learn how to have manners for others. Not a catch all but a start
Bingo. This guys gun didn't break out of its own case. The sick bastard did. I am all for VERY strict gun penalties. One thing I would add is that people need to stop looking for a scape goat. Likely this clown would have found a way to do major damage. This was domestic terrorism. Hang his ass in the town square for all to see.We teach early on in life to be respectful of life, of others and that disagreements happen. We teach people about proper gun safety and using guns properly.
We stop making every situation in life the next crisis and find solutions to smaller problems as they exist in life.
Self control basically and learn how to have manners for others. Not a catch all but a start
Nope, this is exactly the time for politics to be addressed. This whole idea of simply waiting until this tragedy is removed from the public consciousness is simply a way to avoid anything from actually being done. The "thoughts and prayers" being sent their way are nice and all but let's be honest--it doesn't do a damn thing to ensure this doesn't happen again or to even make it somewhat less likely that this will happen again. We can keep fooling ourselves into thinking that we've moved beyond the fundamentally racist foundations of America's origin but that wouldn't be true as evidenced by the Confederate flag currently flying above the South Carlina Capitol (oh, but at half mast--how gracious of them). We can keep pretending that some form of gun control wouldn't help but that wouldn't be true either. I'm tired of engaging in these arguments again and again and again.terrible situation for sure. Now is the time to give prayers and time for the families and the community to heal. Having visited Charleston a long time ago when I loved down there it is a community that will work through this, just wish they didn't have to, nor any other community.
There is plenty of time for the politics to be played.
This post and some others inn this thread imply something needs to be done to ensure this "doesn't happen again". If you have a proposed solution, why don't you offer it? Also, while it is impossible to determine how many murders were committed with legally obtained firearms vice illegally obtained firearms, it is undeniable that many murders are committed by firearms stolen or obtained through some other illegal means. What is your plan to stop those murders? And finally, what should we do about the 44 US homicides per day (of which about 33% don't involve guns)?Nope, this is exactly the time for politics to be addressed. This whole idea of simply waiting until this tragedy is removed from the public consciousness is simply a way to avoid anything from actually being done. The "thoughts and prayers" being sent their way are nice and all but let's be honest--it doesn't do a damn thing to ensure this doesn't happen again or to even make it somewhat less likely that this will happen again. We can keep fooling ourselves into thinking that we've moved beyond the fundamentally racist foundations of America's origin but that wouldn't be true as evidenced by the Confederate flag currently flying above the South Carlina Capitol (oh, but at half mast--how gracious of them). We can keep pretending that some form of gun control wouldn't help but that wouldn't be true either. I'm tired of engaging in these arguments again and again and again.
I don't understand the idea that, because we can't solve ALL issues related to guns, we should therefore do absolutely nothing. That seriously makes no sense. We've been trying it the "do nothing" way forever and it's not working. Get rid of these guns with 30-round magazines. Yes, it's possible the "bad guys" will get ahold of them but it will be much more difficult and expensive if the supply washed-up. If someone is in possession of an illegal gun, then there should be mandatory, harsh prison terms. In addition, anyone who wants a gun should have to go through a similar licensing process to driving a car. These seem like imminently reasonable ideas that would save lots of lives. Again, there would still be crimes committed with guns but I bet there'd be a lot less. Unfortunately our "thoughts and prayers" just aren't getting it done.This post and some others inn this thread imply something needs to be done to ensure this "doesn't happen again". If you have a proposed solution, why don't you offer it? Also, while it is impossible to determine how many murders were committed with legally obtained firearms vice illegally obtained firearms, it is undeniable that many murders are committed by firearms stolen or obtained through some other illegal means. What is your plan to stop those murders? And finally, what should we do about the 44 US homicides per day (of which about 33% don't involve guns)?
Every time some maladjusted punk shoots up a mall or theater or school or church people want to "do something" because these episodes stir our emotions highly. Meanwhile, between these episodes, 44 people get snuffed every day and there is no outrage. My solution is to bring back the electric chairs and fry obvious murderers as quickly as possible after the trial. That way you address the criminal and not his or her tool of choice.
Fair enough - thanks for your thoughts.I don't understand the idea that, because we can't solve ALL issues related to guns, we should therefore do absolutely nothing. That seriously makes no sense. We've been trying it the "do nothing" way forever and it's not working. Get rid of these guns with 30-round magazines. Yes, it's possible the "bad guys" will get ahold of them but it will be much more difficult and expensive if the supply washed-up. If someone is in possession of an illegal gun, then there should be mandatory, harsh prison terms. In addition, anyone who wants a gun should have to go through a similar licensing process to driving a car. These seem like imminently reasonable ideas that would save lots of lives. Again, there would still be crimes committed with guns but I bet there'd be a lot less. Unfortunately our "thoughts and prayers" just aren't getting it done.
Nope, this is exactly the time for politics to be addressed. This whole idea of simply waiting until this tragedy is removed from the public consciousness is simply a way to avoid anything from actually being done. The "thoughts and prayers" being sent their way are nice and all but let's be honest--it doesn't do a damn thing to ensure this doesn't happen again or to even make it somewhat less likely that this will happen again. We can keep fooling ourselves into thinking that we've moved beyond the fundamentally racist foundations of America's origin but that wouldn't be true as evidenced by the Confederate flag currently flying above the South Carlina Capitol (oh, but at half mast--how gracious of them). We can keep pretending that some form of gun control wouldn't help but that wouldn't be true either. I'm tired of engaging in these arguments again and again and again.
As long as the NRA keeps pouring big bucks into politicians pockets, expect nothing of substance to change. We are the only developed country that faces events like this at this rate. No other country is close. But I agree with Sports - we can keep burying our head in the sand by saying "well, crazy people do crazy things!" but that doesn't address anything.
If you were to outlaw guns and confiscate all existing guns (an impossibility) underground gunsmiths would supply criminals with whatever weapons they wanted.