WR improvement

[GBRforLife1]

I'm the smartest person in this room by a long shot.

 

[cruelhalo]

WRs have been running wide open in a lot of games. So its important to have a QB that can go through his progressions and make a check down throw. One that doesnt need to throw a yolo ball every time.

 

[PvilleHuskerTim]

Once again, the idiots on this board just wash away the fact we had a historically bad offense last year. Yes, the receivers were a large part of the reason why. If you were paying attention, I had made several statements of what they were doing wrong over the course of the season. The first thing the coach should be doing is to tell his guys not to run piss poor, lazy routes. Guys ran weak, passive, and slow routes meaning defenders could either force the receivers wherever they wanted or would easily be in position to play the ball. There were also a lot of drops and blocking was subpar. These are effort and habitual issues and it's obvious those guys weren't being coached properly.

So next year all the WR coach needs to do in practice is tell them: "Don't run piss poor, lazy routes. Don't drop the ball. Block better. Put out effort." and things will be fine? Got it.

FWIW, I think everyone on this board is completely aware of how bad the offense was last year. My guess is there were literally tens of thousands of posts about it. It's a wonder there were any completed passes the entire season. Production was subpar everywhere on offense, although in some games it was average enough to get some Ws. Could it be the QBs, WRs, TEs, OL, RBs, play calls, and coaching? (Answer: yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes).

 

[GBRforLife1]

Once again, the idiots on this board just wash away the fact we had a historically bad offense last year. Yes, the receivers were a large part of the reason why. If you were paying attention, I had made several statements of what they were doing wrong over the course of the season. The first thing the coach should be doing is to tell his guys not to run piss poor, lazy routes. Guys ran weak, passive, and slow routes meaning defenders could either force the receivers wherever they wanted or would easily be in position to play the ball. There were also a lot of drops and blocking was subpar. These are effort and habitual issues and it's obvious those guys weren't being coached properly.

I have to admit, I was not paying attention to your statements last year.

 

[oldjar07]

You're probably right.

 

[oldjar07]

So next year all the WR coach needs to do in practice is tell them: "Don't run piss poor, lazy routes. Don't drop the ball. Block better. Put out effort." and things will be fine? Got it.

FWIW, I think everyone on this board is completely aware of how bad the offense was last year. My guess is there were literally tens of thousands of posts about it. It's a wonder there were any completed passes the entire season. Production was subpar everywhere on offense, although in some games it was average enough to get some Ws. Could it be the QBs, WRs, TEs, OL, RBs, play calls, and coaching? (Answer: yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes).

You can't just tell them, you've got to instill it and enforce those lessons. People who think coaching is just about telling players what to do are very wrong. You have to instill and enforce good habits and behaviors and weed out bad habits and behaviors. That takes time, effort, and consistency. So no, not everything is fine, as we don't have the coach at that position group that has the experience to do those things. That's because he's 23 years old and a desperation hire.

 

[timnsun]

You can't just tell them, you've got to instill it and enforce those lessons. People who think coaching is just about telling players what to do are very wrong. You have to instill and enforce good habits and behaviors and weed out bad habits and behaviors. That takes time, effort, and consistency. So no, not everything is fine, as we don't have the coach at that position group that has the experience to do those things. That's because he's 23 years old and a desperation hire.

How much time, effort and consistency for a room filled with underclassmen? Should they have been seasoned vets after fall practice? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth right now.

The coach is too young and sucks. The WR room needs time, effort and consistency.

Listen, you may be right, the coach maybe does suck. But how can you tell that when we were playing athletes at QB who couldn’t reliably get the ball to the receivers, starting out 4th string RB, who admittedly did well all things considered, and played a ton of freshmen WR due to injuries to upperclassmen?

We will have a much better picture after this next year, no doubt, with a QB who can complete passes and receivers who have had more time, effort and consistency in practice.

 

[RBigredMax]

I'm the smartest person in this room by a long shot.

Agreed.

 

[oldjar07]

How much time, effort and consistency for a room filled with underclassmen? Should they have been seasoned vets after fall practice? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth right now.

The coach is too young and sucks. The WR room needs time, effort and consistency.

Listen, you may be right, the coach maybe does suck. But how can you tell that when we were playing athletes at QB who couldn’t reliably get the ball to the receivers, starting out 4th string RB, who admittedly did well all things considered, and played a ton of freshmen WR due to injuries to upperclassmen?

We will have a much better picture after this next year, no doubt, with a QB who can complete passes and receivers who have had more time, effort and consistency in practice.

How can I tell that? I watch the games. Watch how a team like Washington's receivers play vs how ours play. They never run half assed routes. They never take plays off. The results speak for themselves.

 

[TruHusker]

Probably not much to contribute to this love fest but...

First, I am not sure there were as many WR's running "wide open" as some would like to make it out to be. The camera angles don't show that much in real time. When they were open is a big deal as well. But regardless...

There is a reason upper classmen tend be better WRs. There is just a ton to learn. I have read on this forum that all we need to do is send Coleman deep and chuck it long to him. OK, well, it doesn't work that way or everyone would do it.

Jordy Nelson came from this general area and I was reading some of his musings on his learning curved from HS to college to the pros. The amount of communication between the QB and WR is enormous. There are pattern calls, line calls and options made on nearly every play. The WR has to understand if he is one on one, in a zone or some kind of matchup. If the QB sees and the WR doesn't or the other way around, they are not on the same page. Nelson talked about how Rodgers would see a DB tilt just a bit and then send him a signal to run a different route. With the various QB's we had playing last year and couple that with young QB play, it is not a wonder there were issues.

Given time and good coaching it will get better but I don't expect it overnight. There is still a lot to learn on this offensive side of the ball and not just individually. There will be more growing pains this year I am afraid, a sign of youth.

 

[howitzerGBR]

I think Rhule outta bring in Dr Route for a weekend clinic every year. Provide him with an chauffeured car and permanent escort to keep him out of the bars.

Invite Compton and the Bussin with the boys crew to be on the scene providing social media gold. Invite Austin Allen, Zac Taylor, Quincy Ennunwa, and Trey Palmer to meet and greet. Have NIL reps on site to suggest what is po$$ible.

SOLD!!!

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Probably not much to contribute to this love fest but...

First, I am not sure there were as many WR's running "wide open" as some would like to make it out to be. The camera angles don't show that much in real time. When they were open is a big deal as well. But regardless...

There is a reason upper classmen tend be better WRs. There is just a ton to learn. I have read on this forum that all we need to do is send Coleman deep and chuck it long to him. OK, well, it doesn't work that way or everyone would do it.

Jordy Nelson came from this general area and I was reading some of his musings on his learning curved from HS to college to the pros. The amount of communication between the QB and WR is enormous. There are pattern calls, line calls and options made on nearly every play. The WR has to understand if he is one on one, in a zone or some kind of matchup. If the QB sees and the WR doesn't or the other way around, they are not on the same page. Nelson talked about how Rodgers would see a DB tilt just a bit and then send him a signal to run a different route. With the various QB's we had playing last year and couple that with young QB play, it is not a wonder there were issues.

Given time and good coaching it will get better but I don't expect it overnight. There is still a lot to learn on this offensive side of the ball and not just individually. There will be more growing pains this year I am afraid, a sign of youth.

Agree

11 of the 17 players who caught passes in 2023 were Freshmen or Sophomore eligibility. 3 of the 6 who weren't FR or SO missed more than 6 games due to injury, one was a QB, so that essentially leaves Kemp and Fleeks, 2 dudes that had 5 or more years of coaching somewhere else.

 

[beaglehusker]

Once again, the idiots on this board just wash away the fact we had a historically bad offense last year. Yes, the receivers were a large part of the reason why. If you were paying attention, I had made several statements of what they were doing wrong over the course of the season. The first thing the coach should be doing is to tell his guys not to run piss poor, lazy routes. Guys ran weak, passive, and slow routes meaning defenders could either force the receivers wherever they wanted or would easily be in position to play the ball. There were also a lot of drops and blocking was subpar. These are effort and habitual issues and it's obvious those guys weren't being coached properly.

More proof

 

[timnsun]

How can I tell that? I watch the games. Watch how a team like Washington's receivers play vs how ours play. They never run half assed routes. They never take plays off. The results speak for themselves.

If we had guys taking plays off, what are they doing on the field?

Again, not claiming they always ran clean routes, but that’s a heavy accusation to say they were taking plays off. I appreciated @TruHusker’s take about everything involved in the WR’s mind as the play is unfolding, and how difficult it is for the underclassmen. I defer to him.

 

[Huskers123456]

Agree

11 of the 17 players who caught passes in 2023 were Freshmen or Sophomore eligibility. 3 of the 6 who weren't FR or SO missed more than 6 games due to injury, one was a QB, so that essentially leaves Kemp and Fleeks, 2 dudes that had 5 or more years of coaching somewhere else.

Nonsense. I want our freshman running routes like Roman Odunze who has played in 40 games over 4 seasons, starting 31. I demand it.

 

[HUSKERBILL]

Yes, the routes are piss poor because the coaching is piss poor. Bullock sucks but we can't blame it all on talent as every other receiver also ran piss poor routes. They've received no coaching because we have a 23 year old who has no clue what he's doing as their coach.

Not even close to true

 

[NebChicago]

I fiddle wif muh peepee

 

[oldjar07]

Not even close to true

Yet you've done nothing to refute it.

 

[Laner2]

Yet you've done nothing to refute it.

I don't think you're right, but if I can give an analogy.....


Continental Trailways never carried as many passengers as Greyhound, and Greyhound never carried as many as AMTRAC. Let that sink in.