Why did Scott Frost fail?

[knightraveler]

He failed because he lacked attention to detail and had huge blinders with his ability to diagnosis and fix issues in the program. Sloppy is the one word I’d use if I had to.

With UCF, he inherited a situation with NFL caliber talent (or close to it) in key positions and the mirrors aligned on his season. He also had 0 zero pressure to deliver.

Frost didn't have zero pressure at UCF but inheriting a team that was 0-12 was as close to it as you could come. Without Milton whom he recruited I doubt if Frost would have had near the success he had at UCF. It still is confusing and disappointing why he couldn't be more successful at Nebraska.

 

[Huskerfan2112]

This makes 3 out of 4 head coaches at NU who have failed horribly in part due to bringing their buddy in as their DC. That’s one thing Saban would never do.

IF Mickey were to get the gig permanently, would you supper him bringing Vance in as DC?

 

[calhusker89]

It's all very baffling to me. He knew what made NU successful in the past (he was part of it as a player). He knew that successful NU football had specific cornerstones i.e. aggressive defense, strong running game, and of course a powerful and nasty line. He knew what failed with previous coaches e.g. BC not understanding Nebraska and sticking with his buddy Cosgrove, BP not recruiting well, and not embracing Nebraska, MR not having a great strength and conditioning program and just being too soft. Considering our games were so close against legit opponents last year e.g. OU, Mich, OSU, Mich St., etc. were SO close, it felt like he was on the right track! If the rumors are true, then that is really unsettling and upsetting and I have no way to dispute said rumors. I had really thought and hoped it would work out and he would be successful at DONU for years to come. 😕

 

[TheNewNU]

A couple things I will add... I think being a great CFB coach requires certain organizational skills that SF lacks. I don't think Scott is a dummy, far from it.
You can be very bright and not have the instincts and abilty to run an organization. At UCF he could get away with this deficency, not so much here.
(I can sympathize... I have a graduate engineering degree and no interest in running an organization).
One other thing I see is a lack of willingness or ability to address issues proactively. It was a constant game of whack-a-mole problem solving during his tenure.
He didn't seem to be able to anticipate problems and deal with them before they arose.

I'd chalk it up to some personal issues and lack of being a grinder. Scott was probably putting 50 to 60 hours a week in. Which sounds like a lot but as a coach that's basically part time. Power 5 head coaches need to be putting in anywhere from 15 to 17 hours a day in season. Scott had plenty of hobbies outside of coaching. You can't do that in today's game. Not when Pat Fitzgerald and PJ Fleck and Paul Chryst are working 100 hours a week. Theres a video on youtube of Chris Petersen day in the life when he was at Washington. basic fall camp day nothing special. 15 hours. Being a head coach sounds glamorous huge money fame glory. It's a complete and total grind. Scott wasnt up for it.

 

[HuskersWay]

Callahan and Frost early on both showed you can recruit here just fine. We recruit well enough to compete in the Big 10. That is not the issue. Our issue is continually hiring broken coaches.

stop worrying about competing for natties. Not gonna happen consistantly for schools in the north in this day and age outside of luck. In the BCS and CFP era only OSU (2) has won a natty from the north. That is because they and a few other schools have the truly best recruits.

It is only getting worse. Of the 8 CFP years it is all SEC cept the very 1st (OSU) and 2 by Clemson.

I doubt too many Nebraska fans are even thinking about National Championships at this point - I doubt I'll see us win another one in my lifetime. I think a coach that regularly got us ranked in the top 15 in the year end polls would be considered a huge success - routinely beat all the teams in the current Big 10 except OSU, Michigan, and Penn State and sometimes beat the latter three (more likely the latter two).

 

[WHCSC]

Callahan and Frost early on both showed you can recruit here just fine. We recruit well enough to compete in the Big 10. That is not the issue. Our issue is continually hiring broken coaches.

stop worrying about competing for natties. Not gonna happen consistantly for schools in the north in this day and age outside of luck. In the BCS and CFP era only OSU (2) has won a natty from the north. That is because they and a few other schools have the truly best recruits.

It is only getting worse. Of the 8 CFP years it is all SEC cept the very 1st (OSU) and 2 by Clemson.

I agree. We’re going to have to hope for Pelini type seasons without the blowouts and bad attitude. Sometimes we might even go farther.

 

[scarletred]

He failed because:

1. he has a weak disposition
2. he made his bed with a weak QB (AM) and several other players
3. failed to hold his staff accountable
4. failed to hold his team accountable
5. had a gambler’s mentality and kept doubling down
6. had little to no discipline
7. had no shame
8. was disrespectful to his family & employer
9. didn’t care enough to make changes on his own
10. little to no administrative oversight
11. he wasn’t proven
12. lack of vision
13. failure to truly understand the importance of his situation
14. relied on past ghosts to get him by
15. he is spoiled
16. egotistical

Should I continue?

17 Riley the Crutch hates his guts..

 

[kbowe1sat]

Ego, arrogance, lack of work ethic, Div II staff when he came in. Oh, and he's a total a$$hole of a person.

Yes ! ! ! If you knew his father, he couldn't have been any other way !!! You nailed it bro !!!

 

[TruHusker]

Martinez was no Milton hell martinez was not even a jamal lord. Just think about that for a moment

But he was a lot better talent than Nebraska got out of him.

How do you rationalize a coach who ignores incredibly bad ST for 4 years before finally fixing them?

 

[TheHuskerFreak]

He failed because he couldn't instill mental discipline in the team. That's evident by all the close games and then always failing to finish with wins. It's just not accidental or luck when it happens that many times. Now the question really is WHY was he unable to get the players in the right mindset? I don't know the answer. You'd really have to have been inside the team I think to understand that. Maybe some smart analytical member of the team will tell us one of these days.

I do think Scott himself doesn't have a clue as to what went wrong.

Yep. The team always collapsed and choked in the 4th quarter. There was a serious lack of mental toughness on his teams and that starts at the top. They just didn't know how to close games.

 

[TheHuskerFreak]

Martinez was no Milton hell martinez was not even a jamal lord. Just think about that for a moment

Right, but in the right situation with better coaching Martinez is the QB of a 5-1 team. Martinez also hasn't thrown an interception all year.

 

[Walleye79]

Right, but in the right situation with better coaching Martinez is the QB of a 5-1 team. Martinez also hasn't thrown an interception all year.

Yep and I have nothing against Amart. I feel bad for the kid wasting 4 years under Frost. He had a huge upside if he actually had some coaching that could develop him earlier in his career.

 

[donm1330]

Martinez was no Milton hell martinez was not even a jamal lord. Just think about that for a moment

But Martinez seems to be pretty darn good down at KSU. Don't know much about their team but having a good Oline goes a long way to making a QB looking good. We never had a good Oline during the entire time Martinez was at NU. I have no idea why Frost failed. Probably many reasons and some are certainly on him but my guess we will know much more in say about 5 years under a new coach.

 

[fivewords]

Because the Nebraska job is a career killing job. Less and less coaches want to go there than ever before

 

[scarletred]

Because the Nebraska job is a career killing job. Less and less coaches want to go there than ever before

Get lost.

 

[tarheelhusker]

Everything came easy to him. A favorite Native son, we’d give him plenty of rope.
Frost had complete teams that helped make him very successful. No doubt his old Husker teammates made him,

I’d love to see this team rally around Coach Joseph & believe in themselves, not give up as under frost.

GBR! USA # 1

 

[Frozone]

Yes ! ! ! If you knew his father, he couldn't have been any other way !!! You nailed it bro !!!

You’ve said this a few times now. Details?

 

[pascal]

There are probably a plethora of things. One might be his lacking in knowing what he needs talent wise to run his offense. The idea was, you have your OL engage their man for a second and then let them through. This gets them in your backfield while your quick witted, accurate qb whips it out to a speedster in space with a minimum of defenders. When the defense tries to adjust you run quick draws to keep them off balance. This teeter totters throughout the game. It's actually not a bad offense if you have that qb and good skill players.

So, he unexplainably focuses on recruiting qb's the direct opposite of what he needed and then tried to force square pegs in that round hole.
AM, then the skinny fast legacy kid who wasn't anywhere near what he needed, even less so than AM. In fact his only other serious recruit wasn't even a real qb at all. The only other qb's brought here were long term projects that should probably transfer to a lesser division, even then I don't know if they'll find success anywhere.
AM is a one trick pony who plays for a coach who understands his horse. He is limited to quick, low risk throws and purposeful runs. Frost never understood what he had. His offense just degraded into a lot of qb draws and poor reads.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Three things (the same things Alberts used to FINALLY get through to the frosturbator boosters)
1. Lazy
2. Stubborn
3. Entitled
This is verbatim what finally flipped enough of them after another shit start to a season.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

17 Riley the Crutch hates his guts..

Rent free.

 

[Big bo fan]

Talent at D-Line & O-Line
Hiring His Buddies
Lack of Discipline

Haven’t been on the Fee board for a while, but money on the post. All 3 are correct.

 

[scarletred]

Rent free.

Point proven, you’re Infatuated with hating him.

 

[BleedRed78]

Because the Nebraska job is a career killing job. Less and less coaches want to go there than ever before

🖕

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I didn’t read all the post so I apologize if this has already been brought up….

I believe he failed because he did not have a model for the offense he wanted to run. He tried to be innovative combining what he ran at Oregon and UCF with a power run type concept, with more QB runs incorporated.

no one really runs that offense so he had no clue on success. When it didn’t work as he planned, he was then stuck trying to fix it. The defense wasn’t as good as it needed to be to run the Oregon/ UCF tempo stuff. Look at OU game this year. So he tried to go to more QB centric run game and slow the game down.
Add in all of the other things like lack of attention to detail, extracurricular activities and lack of experience in the coaching staff and he got what he got.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Point proven, you’re Infatuated with hating him.

Stick to sports outfits, buffets, and early bedtimes. Don’t forget the Metamucil. Those are the only things you have any credit left to comment on. It’s hard to be as wrong about everything over the years like you have been, but it’s what you do. By all means, keep posting to keep up that impressive streak

 

[SLOHusker]

My guess is, he thought that success at Nebraska would come as easily as it did at UCF. Perhaps he thought he wouldn't have to put in much work to achieve success.

He wasn't supported enough and given enough time.

 

[AVeritas]

Martinez was no Milton hell martinez was not even a jamal lord. Just think about that for a moment

5-1, 3-0 in conference, AP #17, CP #16

 

[scarletred]

Stick to sports outfits, buffets, and early bedtimes. Don’t forget the Metamucil. Those are the only things you have any credit left to comment on. It’s hard to be as wrong about everything over the years like you have been, but it’s what you do. By all means, keep posting to keep up that impressive streak

More drivel from numbers boy.. Isn’t time you start another hate Scott Frost thread…Seeing it’s the only thing you’re obsessed with...

P.S I love the team wearing strips again don’t you.

 

[Lincoln100]

I blame @mavsker

If he were a better booster, Frost would have thrived

 

[huntered]

He wasn't supported enough and given enough time.

we didn't pay him enough

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

More drivel from numbers boy.. Isn’t time you start another hate Scott Frost thread…Seeing it’s the only thing you’re obsessed with...

P.S I love the team wearing strips again don’t you.

It’s STRIPES, you illiterate knuckle dragger

 

[jteten]

Unfocused, unorganized, not detailed and the seat was too big.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

One could write a novel from the list of Frost’s failures in Lincoln. He was truly that bad here.

In summary I’d say…

Arrogance - Frost assumed his system was so good that it could overcome lack of practice, lack of detail (special teams), lack of player development.

He underestimated The BIG-10. He was the one who failed to adjust.

Very poor choices in staff. Most on his staff had no business coaching at the FBS level.

 

[AVeritas]

One could write a novel from the list of Frost’s failures in Lincoln. He was truly that bad here.

In summary I’d say…

Arrogance - Frost assumed his system was so good that it could overcome lack of practice, lack of detail (special teams), lack of player development.

He underestimated The BIG-10. He was the one who failed to adjust.

Very poor choices in staff. Most on his staff had no business coaching at the FBS level.

When he said at the beginning that he wouldn't adjust, the B10 would have to adjust to him, I just rolled my eyes.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

When he said at the beginning that he wouldn't adjust, the B10 would have to adjust to him, I just rolled my eyes.

I should have also. I must admit after the Riley years, I was pumped up to hear Frost say that. But sadly it became clear he was so in over his head.

 

[scarletred]

When he said at the beginning that he wouldn't adjust, the B10 would have to adjust to him, I just rolled my eyes.

He never said that he wouldn’t adjust.. But NO question about it he made the commit the B1G 10 will need to adjust to him..

 

[Vitalis Jackson]

Osborne mentioned the lack of talent when he got there and the Covid year. So there’s that.

You should have learned by now that Osborne has only a vague sense of reality.

 

[TruHusker]

I'd chalk it up to some personal issues and lack of being a grinder. Scott was probably putting 50 to 60 hours a week in. Which sounds like a lot but as a coach that's basically part time. Power 5 head coaches need to be putting in anywhere from 15 to 17 hours a day in season. Scott had plenty of hobbies outside of coaching. You can't do that in today's game. Not when Pat Fitzgerald and PJ Fleck and Paul Chryst are working 100 hours a week. Theres a video on youtube of Chris Petersen day in the life when he was at Washington. basic fall camp day nothing special. 15 hours. Being a head coach sounds glamorous huge money fame glory. It's a complete and total grind. Scott wasnt up for it.

This. I spent the last two weekends with a buddy who coaches NAIA and the number of hours the coaches put in is incredible even at that level. The team is good, top ten nationally.

I would add that at each level you go up, the attention to detail increases. Those things that were easily overcome at a lower level get exposed in a hurry playing big boy ball.

Coaches like to find their niche and comfort level, it isn't always greener at the top and some simply can't handle it.

 

[inWV]

Offensive system a bad fit for the B1G.
G5 coaching staff.
Personal issues were limiting.

 

[redwine65]