2018 class ranked 7th with 3 4 star players already committed? All of them from Louisiana.
https://kansas.rivals.com/commitments/football/2018
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What's The Matter With Kansas?
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maybe they said, 'the hell with our record/history - sell this sumbitch!'
Maybe their bagmen are stepping their game up. Personally, I think a lot of schools are figuring out the NCAA has no bite for now.
I think one of their asst coaches was a high school coach down there.
You're gonna get a different level of rope-smoker when you recruit from that state. Maybe they are just tired of caring about that stuff anymore.
David Beaty is a salty recruiter (players and parents love the dude), great facilities minus the stadium, already have some Louisiana kids making an impact, flashy hip uniforms, and as said have a great recruiting assistant in Hull. KU is getting better after the horrible Gill and Weis hires. Get KU to the Big 10!!!
Saying hell with it, start paying kids. What are they gonna do, make them forfeit their 2 wins each season?
RB Coach Tony Hull. Last year they hired a high school coach from a LA powerhouse program. He brought in under-rated recruit Mike Lee who ended up being a Freshman All American Safety at Kansas last season. Coach Hull is very very respected in the LA football circles, pulls some serious weight. Time will tell if KU is able to hold onto them when LSU and Bama are knocking on their door. I envision something very similar to what we have been encountrering with U$C and UCLA when our connected coaches the Bros Williams try to pull a recruit out of LA.
KU has always had a lot of appeal to recruits. It's a great campus in a great college town. I'm biased though. I married a KU sorority girl and live 15 minutes from campus.
KUs problems were self manufactured after getting rid of Mangino. I want to say the Weiss hire was the worse of the two because he was inept and only the to cash a check.
However, I argue the Gill hire was more devistating to the Jayhawks. KU is a very liberal University centered around a very modern Environment of fun, partying, and Even a little higher learning. Gill fit into that landscape like Madonna would fit into a Nunnery. Gill told kids they couldn't see their girlfriends in season. He took away their cell phones. He did room checks regularly during the off season. No kid wants to play in that type of program.
KUs problems were self manufactured after getting rid of Mangino. I want to say the Weiss hire was the worse of the two because he was inept and only the to cash a check.
However, I argue the Gill hire was more devistating to the Jayhawks. KU is a very liberal University centered around a very modern Environment of fun, partying, and Even a little higher learning. Gill fit into that landscape like Madonna would fit into a Nunnery. Gill told kids they couldn't see their girlfriends in season. He took away their cell phones. He did room checks regularly during the off season. No kid wants to play in that type of program.
Gill also developed a bit of a reputation for poor-mouthing his players with pro scouts. Chris Harris Jr. has talked often about this with the Denver media, saying that he didn't get drafted because Gill told scouts he would never make it in the NFL (Harris just played in his third Pro Bowl, BTW). Of course there are two sides to every story, and who knows if Gill actually did that. But when you have a well-known player saying it publicly, it can't be good for your program.
KU is copying NU strategy in California but doing it in Louisiana.
And like NU is not recruiting against USC, KU is not really recruiting against LSU, they are trying to take Ark/Ole Miss players.
That said, NU has the history and pedigree to be a strong 2nd tier option in California or Texas or anywhere NU wants to go. Just like they always have.
KU does not have the pedigree. But they are making up for it by taking the friends of the top athletes also. NU wants the 4stars in Cali so they have to wait for USC to pick. KU is willing to also take 2-3* and it helps build momentum faster.
And like NU is not recruiting against USC, KU is not really recruiting against LSU, they are trying to take Ark/Ole Miss players.
That said, NU has the history and pedigree to be a strong 2nd tier option in California or Texas or anywhere NU wants to go. Just like they always have.
KU does not have the pedigree. But they are making up for it by taking the friends of the top athletes also. NU wants the 4stars in Cali so they have to wait for USC to pick. KU is willing to also take 2-3* and it helps build momentum faster.
Gill was the worse of the two hires, no doubt. He might have had rules against cellphones and girls in dorms, etc; but that honestly wasn't the problem. Gill apparently had no rules regarding attending class and/or passing drug tests. And the weight room was just an optional deal. The complete lack of discipline (other than cellphones and girls) is what sank his boat and put KU far behind. I mean remember everyone freaking out about Nate Gerry? Multiply that by about 20 and now how would you feel about Riley then? I just chuckle when people said Gill needed a few more years to turn that program around, etc. The on-field results weren't all so hot either, but that is not why he lost his job. KU had no choice but to act at that point.
Weis was a horrible coach and his Juco /Grad transfer recruiting was a bust. Everybody hated his arrogant a$$, but at least he did clean up the off-the-field issues. But at a cost. Do you remember when Riley took over and there were toxic players still on the roster? A lot of people were like 'If they aren't all in, get rid of them.', etc. I get that mentality, and that is pretty much what Weis did. The problem with that approach is that you are left with a roster short in numbers and lacking in talent. Hence the KU football that we have seen over the last few years.
Weis was a horrible coach and his Juco /Grad transfer recruiting was a bust. Everybody hated his arrogant a$$, but at least he did clean up the off-the-field issues. But at a cost. Do you remember when Riley took over and there were toxic players still on the roster? A lot of people were like 'If they aren't all in, get rid of them.', etc. I get that mentality, and that is pretty much what Weis did. The problem with that approach is that you are left with a roster short in numbers and lacking in talent. Hence the KU football that we have seen over the last few years.
Beaty is climbing back up
Slowly
Louisiana kids may speed the comeback to 7 wins
Slowly
Louisiana kids may speed the comeback to 7 wins
Ha! This thread is hilarious. KU F'd themselves when they fired their winning coach of all time and just assumed any clown could come in and win football games in Lawrence. CW is a WAY, WAY, WAY worse head coach than Gill. So funny to see people still buy into the opposite (what else was KU going to tell it's fans/donors after canning two coaches in less than two years...which btw they are still paying/or just finished paying off BOTH). I believe CW is very full of $@#$ (understatement of the year). Gill never a got a fair shake (shortest tenure ever as head coach??). Gill wasn't anything close to a good fit and was wrong to treat his players like they all dated his daughter (but I will NEVER buy the bs that he didn't require his kids to go to class. Why? b/c ku football players never go to class-regardless of who the coach is). People were very dumb to buy into Weis in any way, even worse if they bought his into public relations mastery (his real talent btw) and how he's always the victim...one of these most arrogant pos I've ever seen...
Beatty a likable guy but Mangino has been the ONLY KU football coach to ever get his players in Lawrence to take the game serious enough to win at a high, consistent level. Unfortunately I don't see that changing any time soon. Good for them for trying to improve their recruiting. I am 100% convinced that even though Mangino made kids do crab walks (oh the horror!!!) or sit at a desk at mid field to study during practice (oh the horror) or him yelling at high school football refs (like all the other parents....oh the horror!!!) or calling a player out for their poor in game conduct (Dexter) may not make him person of the year, he was a winning football coach (which is what all of these other coaches were hired to do, but only one he was actually able to accomplish....). Maybe next time KU fans wouldn't take that for granted-if they are lucky enough to ever have a winning football team again.
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Beatty a likable guy but Mangino has been the ONLY KU football coach to ever get his players in Lawrence to take the game serious enough to win at a high, consistent level. Unfortunately I don't see that changing any time soon. Good for them for trying to improve their recruiting. I am 100% convinced that even though Mangino made kids do crab walks (oh the horror!!!) or sit at a desk at mid field to study during practice (oh the horror) or him yelling at high school football refs (like all the other parents....oh the horror!!!) or calling a player out for their poor in game conduct (Dexter) may not make him person of the year, he was a winning football coach (which is what all of these other coaches were hired to do, but only one he was actually able to accomplish....). Maybe next time KU fans wouldn't take that for granted-if they are lucky enough to ever have a winning football team again.
signed,
proud KU alum
Unfortunately they had to fire Mangino for Off-Field Temper issues, and many incidents where he lost control. He wasn't fired for wins and loses or what went on in between the stripes. Mangino was fired because his temper made Pelini look like a Choir Boy. Many off field incidents that the police were called because of temper/violence. He was mutually hated by his players, asst coaches, boosters and the KU administration. Mangino really treated his players and asst coaches like crap and was quite verbally abusive. Fat Man refused to change and continued down a very self-destructive path. The AD tried getting him help but he refused it. KU players love playing for the Asst Coaches and vice versa but they all hated Mangino. He had become too big of a liability for the Athletic Department off the field. KU was able to keep most of his indiscretions out of the press and public eye. The Lawrence paper does a much better job working with the university and keeping some touchy subjects quiet.
I've heard all of that before (and also the "dude didn't like TP and used real towels instead" insights). No doubt Mangino had his issues but again (for the unpteenth time) he WON football games. That didn't happen prior to him, and it hasn't happened since. I don't dispute any of the other information you listed, other than the part about the players loving the assistants. They may be true, but the players really, really loved WINNING. When it's all said and done, the only way you can be considered a good coach is to have the winning record to support. Graduate your players, win the press conferences, recruit well...all of that is nice, but won't mean a thing if you don't win more than you lose. This is the simple reality in modern day sports (and a very elusive one at that).
fwiw Bo certainly gave Mark a run for his money on proper behavior. In watching both programs very closely, Bo caught 10 times as much heat as Mangino did while coaching imo. Both are from Youngstown and obviously educate football principles in similar methods. In terms of winning, both were successful in record. Outside of winning, I concur that both had issues in proper communication techniques with players and media.
So you are fine with having a coach who committed crimes and should have been in jail as long as he WON football games? Yes he should have been arrested and put in jail more than once. Money and power can get you out of many legal problems but will never be a substitute for Moral Fiber. I refuse to subscribe to the Win at all cost mentality and turn a blind eye to covered up legal issues so we can win a game. My parents raised us to do things the right way and treat people with respect. Basic Golden Rule.
No baiting here. Way to much speculation & assumptions in your above post.
However, congrats to you and your parents on your morals. I didn't write the current guidelines to society...just observing them (I may actually agree with you btw...but that's not what this thread is about). The morally best coach does not mean squat when determining if a coach is considered good or not. Perhaps that's too realistic of a view for you, but please don't take that out on me. Instead, stomp your feet as much as possible and go hold those immoral winning coaches more accountable. Get the press involved...they love feel good warm fuzzy complementary do gooders as story (that's sarcasm, our society could care less about that & nobody knows that more than journalists). Sincerely, good luck with that. Me, I'm off to take an old person to church after rescuing some animals from the local shelter. Of course I may be pinched on time after assisting in world peace and saving the environment...
However, congrats to you and your parents on your morals. I didn't write the current guidelines to society...just observing them (I may actually agree with you btw...but that's not what this thread is about). The morally best coach does not mean squat when determining if a coach is considered good or not. Perhaps that's too realistic of a view for you, but please don't take that out on me. Instead, stomp your feet as much as possible and go hold those immoral winning coaches more accountable. Get the press involved...they love feel good warm fuzzy complementary do gooders as story (that's sarcasm, our society could care less about that & nobody knows that more than journalists). Sincerely, good luck with that. Me, I'm off to take an old person to church after rescuing some animals from the local shelter. Of course I may be pinched on time after assisting in world peace and saving the environment...
not speculation. 1000% true. People know me on this board and my Husker inside info might be very very limited but when it comes to Kansas info they know I am as hooked up as anyone. If you knew much about what went on behind the scenes with Mangino you would want him gone also. Some was made public, most wasn't. He is not someone you would want coaching one of your children or being the face of your football program. Legal liability was way too much for KU to keep him around plus he was a ticking time bomb. I am old school and can't stand the way our PC Society coddles people these days but Mangino took things to a level that was not acceptable. Mangino couldn't even keep his job as an OC at Iowa St for more than 1 season. Even his first season as a high school head coach had the parents calling for him to be fired and he left after only 1 year. Too many accusations following him around to numerous stops on his coaching trail. Plus he had really lost the KU team and it was heading in a downward direction under his leadership. Even with Reesing leading the way KU lost the last 7 games of his final season and Sweet Lew was tired of bailing him out with the police and the media. Big Boosters were also calling for his head when they found out what was going on behind the scenes. Fatman has some serious issues that shouldn't be overlooked.
KU just got another commit from 3* DE Cartez Crook-Jones from Grandview, MO. Was drawing interest from Missouri, Arkansas, Iowa State and KState.
Jayhawks are on a nice roll with commitments...how many will hold?
Jayhawks are on a nice roll with commitments...how many will hold?
Good question. Pretty sure Kansas would be in favor of an early signing period right about now. This very second.
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