What is the real issue?

[husker2612]

I watched this game and pretty well have seen nothing improve. That is a bit concerning. The first game ok, understandable, but game 4 to show zero improvement is not good. Especially getting into conference play. One and maybe the only plus at this point is Tommy Armstrong. I have been impressed with him so far, yes he has made some dumb throws at dumb times, but overall he has improved since last year.

My question is what is the reason for the poor showings? I remember whenever Solich, or Cally or Bo struggled early on there was always an excuse. " Well we have poor recruits, once he can recruit his guys, we will get better" or "We have a ton of injuries, once we get them all healed up, we will get better" or " Its a new scheme, once the players learn the system, we will get better" Are these reasons listed the only issues? We have taken a drastic step backwards in every phase of the game compared to last year(except Tommy). Michigan just thumped BYU, you want to talk about leaving the cupboard bare. That was it. Yet they find a way to beat a good, ranked, BYU team. Going into the year and now I still believe we have way better talent than Michigan does. It show

So what is it? Because under Solich and under Cally and under Bo it obviously ended up not being any those things, it ended up being the coaches, Not? That is why all ended up being fired. So why do we assume that is not the issue here?

Now, don't get me wrong Im not giving up on Riley after 4 games. I came into the year thinking if we can finish with at min a winning record, make it to a bowl, keep every game respectable, and show improvements as the season goes, we will be fine. Obviously we don't know how the season will end and we have so far kept games respectable. We most certainly are not show improvement from week to week. Odds are if you make the mistakes we have been making and don't show any improvement, the season outlook is not going to be great. If by chance we do end up with a losing record, is it not logical to stop blaming every other possibility and start looking at the possibility that we yet again have another...... Below average coach?

 

[inWV]

Obvious issues with pass D, plus a decimated LB group. At RB we lack a true go to guy, but I like how they are developing other options with the jet sweep and now Jano. Tommy has been a pleasant surprise.
The D is going to be a liability until scheme meets available player talent and depth. This may be 2016 if we are lucky.

 

[scarletred]

I watched this game and pretty well have seen nothing improve. That is a bit concerning. The first game ok, understandable, but game 4 to show zero improvement is not good. Especially getting into conference play. One and maybe the only plus at this point is Tommy Armstrong. I have been impressed with him so far, yes he has made some dumb throws at dumb times, but overall he has improved since last year.

My question is what is the reason for the poor showings? I remember whenever Solich, or Cally or Bo struggled early on there was always an excuse. " Well we have poor recruits, once he can recruit his guys, we will get better" or "We have a ton of injuries, once we get them all healed up, we will get better" or " Its a new scheme, once the players learn the system, we will get better" Are these reasons listed the only issues? We have taken a drastic step backwards in every phase of the game compared to last year(except Tommy). Michigan just thumped BYU, you want to talk about leaving the cupboard bare. That was it. Yet they find a way to beat a good, ranked, BYU team. Going into the year and now I still believe we have way better talent than Michigan does. It show

So what is it? Because under Solich and under Cally and under Bo it obviously ended up not being any those things, it ended up being the coaches, Not? That is why all ended up being fired. So why do we assume that is not the issue here?

Now, don't get me wrong Im not giving up on Riley after 4 games. I came into the year thinking if we can finish with at min a winning record, make it to a bowl, keep every game respectable, and show improvements as the season goes, we will be fine. Obviously we don't know how the season will end and we have so far kept games respectable. We most certainly are not show improvement from week to week. Odds are if you make the mistakes we have been making and don't show any improvement, the season outlook is not going to be great. If by chance we do end up with a losing record, is it not logical to stop blaming every other possibility and start looking at the possibility that we yet again have another...... Below average coach?

Michigan defense wasn't cupboard bare to start.

Injuries have really hit this defense with no depth at linebacker and DE has no speed rushers. Peelini didn't help recruiting wise so you have to give Riley staff time to recruit. Not saying Eichorst picked the right guy but we have to give this staff time.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace]

So, any coaching staff we brought in was going to get the "we need time" pass? Well, problem is, this HC only has 4-5 years before Oregon's pasture calls him back. Why didn't we choose a young coach with Nebraska ties & the ability to recruit today's stud athletes? You're telling me that Frost couldn't have found a better DC than Banker out there willing to come to NU? Horses#!+. Let Frost take these 4 years to build the program to what it once was. We're going to do this all over again in 5 years. Thanks SE.

 

[husker2612]

I agree, nobody can tell me Frost would have this team in a worse spot, playing any worse at this point in the year. He made the most sense, just hope when it does come time to look for yet another coach he is at least considered this time around

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

You people pining for Frost are sitting here telling me that if Frost was here, obtaining the exact same results, that you'd be happy? That you wouldn't be bitching? That you'd be saying "give him more time to get his guys" No way, I do not buy it for a second. Some of you were so unhappy with the hire you're now speaking out of your butt hole and I swear, I think some of you are glad we're struggling just so you can say "I told you so".

 

[rrthusker]

I agree, nobody can tell me Frost would have this team in a worse spot, playing any worse at this point in the year. He made the most sense, just hope when it does come time to look for yet another coach he is at least considered this time around

Frost better worry about fixing Oregon first.

 

[rrthusker]

I watched this game and pretty well have seen nothing improve. That is a bit concerning. The first game ok, understandable, but game 4 to show zero improvement is not good. Especially getting into conference play. One and maybe the only plus at this point is Tommy Armstrong. I have been impressed with him so far, yes he has made some dumb throws at dumb times, but overall he has improved since last year.

My question is what is the reason for the poor showings? I remember whenever Solich, or Cally or Bo struggled early on there was always an excuse. " Well we have poor recruits, once he can recruit his guys, we will get better" or "We have a ton of injuries, once we get them all healed up, we will get better" or " Its a new scheme, once the players learn the system, we will get better" Are these reasons listed the only issues? We have taken a drastic step backwards in every phase of the game compared to last year(except Tommy). Michigan just thumped BYU, you want to talk about leaving the cupboard bare. That was it. Yet they find a way to beat a good, ranked, BYU team. Going into the year and now I still believe we have way better talent than Michigan does. It show

So what is it? Because under Solich and under Cally and under Bo it obviously ended up not being any those things, it ended up being the coaches, Not? That is why all ended up being fired. So why do we assume that is not the issue here?

Now, don't get me wrong Im not giving up on Riley after 4 games. I came into the year thinking if we can finish with at min a winning record, make it to a bowl, keep every game respectable, and show improvements as the season goes, we will be fine. Obviously we don't know how the season will end and we have so far kept games respectable. We most certainly are not show improvement from week to week. Odds are if you make the mistakes we have been making and don't show any improvement, the season outlook is not going to be great. If by chance we do end up with a losing record, is it not logical to stop blaming every other possibility and start looking at the possibility that we yet again have another...... Below average coach?

First these are still Pelini`s recruits. We have walk-ons playing LBer and injuries along the DL as well. Our DBs are and were vastly overrated and overhyped by fans. It is impossible to be a good football team when we commit more penalties than any team we play each week. Losing AA, Randy and KB plus not having DPE hurts and hurts bad. The simplistic answer is to blame the staff.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Good grief, Frost is completely being exposed this year. Newsflash, Oregon's offense looks like garbage. When was the last time you could say that. And you honestly want him in charge of the entire program?

 

[gotit2013]

First these are still Pelini`s recruits. We have walk-ons playing LBer and injuries along the DL as well. Our DBs are and were vastly overrated and overhyped by fans. It is impossible to be a good football team when we commit more penalties than any team we play each week. Losing AA, Randy and KB plus not having DPE hurts and hurts bad. The simplistic answer is to blame the staff.

This, along with talent. It's not a talented team. Fans overhype our players as we all know or a few will admit. We just can't recruit against the big boys at that ain't changing. We'll get an occasional one, but not enough to content consistently.

 

[tpmcg]

and I swear, I think some of you are glad we're struggling just so you can say "I told you so".

true.

a realistic view is this offense looks a lot better than say, when cally brought in the west coast. dailey struggled mightily, as they made him do things he could not do, but tommy has responded very well to riley and langs. its a lot better than i expected. if anyone compares this D to what bo had when he walked in the door (Suh) they need to let up a little.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

I think what I'm about to say was thought by a lot of people, but I suspected Oregon would take a dump this year. Kelly's departure didn't go into effect until Mariotta walked out the door, because up to that point Oregon still had Kelly's fingerprints all over it. Now, without one of the best coaches in CFB over the last 20 years, and a Heisman QB, all the sudden they look really average. Their defense is even worse than ours, and their offense sucks. They are going to be taking a HUGE step back for a while, and unless Kelly comes back, I think their fans are in for a really awakening. I'm not gonna say their done, but I think 4 loss seasons will be the norm going forward for them, and this year it might be 5 or 6 losses.

 

[bigbadjim990]

I watched this game and pretty well have seen nothing improve. That is a bit concerning. The first game ok, understandable, but game 4 to show zero improvement is not good. Especially getting into conference play. One and maybe the only plus at this point is Tommy Armstrong. I have been impressed with him so far, yes he has made some dumb throws at dumb times, but overall he has improved since last year.

My question is what is the reason for the poor showings? I remember whenever Solich, or Cally or Bo struggled early on there was always an excuse. " Well we have poor recruits, once he can recruit his guys, we will get better" or "We have a ton of injuries, once we get them all healed up, we will get better" or " Its a new scheme, once the players learn the system, we will get better" Are these reasons listed the only issues? We have taken a drastic step backwards in every phase of the game compared to last year(except Tommy). Michigan just thumped BYU, you want to talk about leaving the cupboard bare. That was it. Yet they find a way to beat a good, ranked, BYU team. Going into the year and now I still believe we have way better talent than Michigan does. It show

So what is it? Because under Solich and under Cally and under Bo it obviously ended up not being any those things, it ended up being the coaches, Not? That is why all ended up being fired. So why do we assume that is not the issue here?

Now, don't get me wrong Im not giving up on Riley after 4 games. I came into the year thinking if we can finish with at min a winning record, make it to a bowl, keep every game respectable, and show improvements as the season goes, we will be fine. Obviously we don't know how the season will end and we have so far kept games respectable. We most certainly are not show improvement from week to week. Odds are if you make the mistakes we have been making and don't show any improvement, the season outlook is not going to be great. If by chance we do end up with a losing record, is it not logical to stop blaming every other possibility and start looking at the possibility that we yet again have another...... Below average coach?

 

[husker2612]

My point is not that I want Riley gone or that I want him not to succeed, but more so when do all the excuses stop and when does it fall on the coach. We as a fan base want so badly to return to what we once were we continually blame everything possible but the coaches. Heck Bo lovers were blaming it on everything but Bo until he was fired and some still are finding other excuses.
I understand Bo didn't leave a ton of talent. I don't expect Riley to come in and run the table and win a national championship or even conference championship. What we should expect is for him to come in and show improvement from game 1 to game 4. We shouldn't be leading the country in penalties.
I know Bo left this team mentally brainwashed and destroyed. So the lack of mental focus on this team I do equate to that. I know that can not be weeded out in 4 games. So the hope that I do have is once those players are gone it will start turning around.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

As much as some think the sky is falling, we are 2 plays away from being 4-0, with Bo, it was more like 200 plays.

 

[bigbadjim990]

I watched this game and pretty well have seen nothing improve. That is a bit concerning. The first game ok, understandable, but game 4 to show zero improvement is not good. Especially getting into conference play. One and maybe the only plus at this point is Tommy Armstrong. I have been impressed with him so far, yes he has made some dumb throws at dumb times, but overall he has improved since last year.

My question is what is the reason for the poor showings? I remember whenever Solich, or Cally or Bo struggled early on there was always an excuse. " Well we have poor recruits, once he can recruit his guys, we will get better" or "We have a ton of injuries, once we get them all healed up, we will get better" or " Its a new scheme, once the players learn the system, we will get better" Are these reasons listed the only issues? We have taken a drastic step backwards in every phase of the game compared to last year(except Tommy). Michigan just thumped BYU, you want to talk about leaving the cupboard bare. That was it. Yet they find a way to beat a good, ranked, BYU team. Going into the year and now I still believe we have way better talent than Michigan does. It show

So what is it? Because under Solich and under Cally and under Bo it obviously ended up not being any those things, it ended up being the coaches, Not? That is why all ended up being fired. So why do we assume that is not the issue here?

Now, don't get me wrong Im not giving up on Riley after 4 games. I came into the year thinking if we can finish with at min a winning record, make it to a bowl, keep every game respectable, and show improvements as the season goes, we will be fine. Obviously we don't know how the season will end and we have so far kept games respectable. We most certainly are not show improvement from week to week. Odds are if you make the mistakes we have been making and don't show any improvement, the season outlook is not going to be great. If by chance we do end up with a losing record, is it not logical to stop blaming every other possibility and start looking at the possibility that we yet again have another...... Below average coach?

Lack of talent! That will not change! Change ADs. Change coaches. Doesn't matter. Nebraska's only chance will be consistency in the athletic department. Pick a coach and stick with him. Pick one that's not 61.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Lack of talent! That will not change! Change ADs. Change coaches. Doesn't matter. Nebraska's only chance will be consistency in the athletic department. Pick a coach and stick with him. Pick one that's not 61.

Unless said coach is about 22 or 23 and can play DB or DE and has some eligibility left, I am not sure what his age has to do with this.

 

[bigbadjim990]

Unless said coach is about 22 or 23 and can play DB or DE and has some eligibility left, I am not sure what his age has to do with this.

Choosing a 61yo virtually means we will do this all over a gain in 4 to 6 years if he lasts that long. Nebraska's strength was consistency, but that's gone now. I guess that was lost in '03.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Choosing a 61yo virtually means we will do this all over a gain in 4 to 6 years if he lasts that long. Nebraska's strength was consistency, but that's gone now. I guess that was lost in '03.

News flash, times have changed. If you're wanting a proven winner who will be here for 10 years or more, you are living in the wrong decade. If MR recruits well and wins something, and leaves the program in great shape for the next guy, I'm stoked with that.

 

[bigbadjim990]

News flash, times have changed. If you're wanting a proven winner who will be here for 10 years or more, you are living in the wrong decade. If MR recruits well and wins something, and leaves the program in great shape for the next guy, I'm stoked with that.

Well that's the only way it has ever worked for Nebraska. NU won't ever be 2 deep in 3 and 4 star talent at all positions. If you think NU will out recruit the other schools consistently your wrong.

 

[Big Red Menace]

As much as some think the sky is falling, we are 2 plays away from being 4-0, with Bo, it was more like 200 plays.

Talk about simplistic. Anyone who watched the first four games without our Energy Bus glasses knows that Miami screwed around and let us back into the game(similar to NU this week). BYU was up by two scores when Hill and their NT went down with injuries. I love how all of the problems get blamed on the previous staff but all of the good things are signs that Riley is going to lead to championships. Ex. Comeback vs. Miami. Riley gets credit for instilling the attitude that allowed them to comeback when that same attitude had showed itself several times over the past few years. Now, when penalties are discussed it's blamed on the previous staff and the toxic environment while ignoring the fact that penalties are worse than last year and increased significantly. I agree that many have an agenda here but don't call those who disagree with you simplistic when you do the same thing in your assessment of the current team performance.

 

[tpmcg]

i know we've had a ton of penalties, but i just dont feel im watching a chinese fire drill.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

News flash, times have changed. If you're wanting a proven winner who will be here for 10 years or more, you are living in the wrong decade. If MR recruits well and wins something, and leaves the program in great shape for the next guy, I'm stoked with that.

Yep, IMO that's why he is here. Recruit hard, get the program back on track, and hopefully win something of signicance. The next guy is where I think Nebraska pulls out serious money.

 

[jay-cheese]

We're 4 games into a new coach tenure, and we're already talking about the next guy? Oh boy (and of course that is going to be used as negative recruiting by other teams)....

Sorry you didn't believe us when we said win or tie, we're behind the staff....believe us now?

All we can do as fans is hang out a few years and then assess the job done. Unless we have a losing season, nothing is going change for at least 3 seasons...

GBR

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

Frost better worry about fixing Oregon first.

The next time he calls a play for Oregon, will be the first time.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

The next time he calls a play for Oregon, will be the first time.

He calls the plays now...and has been.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

As much as some think the sky is falling, we are 2 plays away from being 4-0, with Bo, it was more like 200 plays.

100% inaccurate statement. You could say you were one play away from being 3-1 or you lost two games on the last play of the game; that would be correct. You cannot say you lost to Miami on one play.

 

[BornNBredRed]

I agree, nobody can tell me Frost would have this team in a worse spot, playing any worse at this point in the year. He made the most sense, just hope when it does come time to look for yet another coach he is at least considered this time around

Vince Lombardi could not win with the personnel that we have on defense. We are solid at DT, but the rest is a hot mess. Gerry is ok, but not a true playmaker. He just looks good, because everyone else is SOOO bad,

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

100% inaccurate statement. You could say you were one play away from being 3-1 or you lost two games on the last play of the game; that would be correct. You cannot say you lost to Miami on one play.

We are 2 plays away from being 4-0, I don't care how you choose to see it.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

We are 2 plays away from being 4-0, I don't care how you choose to see it.

Really? What one play lost the game on against Miami?

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

He calls the plays now...and has been.

Yeah, I have read that Frost calls the plays for a couple years now, in articles and on message boards...yet everytime I watch Oregon I see Helfrich calling the plays on the sideline.

 

[red rover 70]

Really? What one play lost the game on against Miami?

I'm even guilty of saying it. In truth you are correct. But if you are going to argue the point then go cheer for another team.

 

[arf_man]

Really? What one play lost the game on against Miami?

The one where Tommy under threw Allen in the end zone. Now your just being Contrarian.

 

[jflores]

Yep, IMO that's why he is here. Recruit hard, get the program back on track, and hopefully win something of signicance. The next guy is where I think Nebraska pulls out serious money.

Who would serious money have bought us this year?

This is like the 14th thread where I've posted the Top 25 active winning coaches, and the great ones weren't coming here, and none of the others were going to come in here and dominate.

Frost remains a fan wet dream, but no one knows what exactly we'll get out of him. The fan base can't even decide if he's the one calling plays now, to even assign the appropriate amount of blame or not to the job he's already doing.

As far as I know, neither Frost nor Whittinham or Hudspeth, know how to play defense without a LB corps.

 

[B_U_C_K_Y]

Mike Riley doesn't have the locker room, he's no Bo Pelini.