i just watched the DVR from the game last night and Langsdorf made the right call on the 4th and 1 with 7 minutes to go. The design of the play was brilliant. Iowa stacked the box possibly thinking TA runs the QB sneak from the shotgun, but what the formation did was create a mismatch in personnel as there was no one to cover Carter on the right side of Iowa's defense. Carter was set in the back field off of the line and did a simple 5 yard out route with no defender on him! The mistake that was made by the coaches was to allow TA to make a decision on this play. TA never even looked at Carter, he went straight to the risky, low percentage long ball...which her will almost always do when given the choice. Langsdorf should have made it crystal clear that the Reilly route was only a diversion and Carter is where the play goes. My 10 year old son could have easily hit Carter he was so wide open and he probably scores a TD. I am not here to bag on a 20 year old kid, but TA has proven time and time again, he makes poor decisions more often than not. I don't see TA being beat out by a true freshman next year as the college game is such a huge leap from high school. So, my hop is that in the off season, the coaches work with TA to simplify his reads and offer a lot more short and medium range routes with fewer options or choices to make. GBR!
Watched the film, no questions about it, Langsdorf made the right call...
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Agree with passing to Carter. He was wide open. I think TA feels he has to make the big play so he can hear about what a great play it was. If this so, then he is putting himself above the needs of the team. He says he needs to make better decisions, he's right, but he has said that before and continues to look for the big play and making bad decisions instead of just moving the sticks.
Low percentage no matter how you look at it.. A bad decision maker putting the game in the hands of a bad decision maker.. Should have been kicked in the first place or take the guesswork out of Tommy's hands.
When watching the tape did you happen to notice that on almost every long pass into coverage there was someone running free over the middle? Same story, good play design, poor choice. Now, one could argue Langs is a fool for giving choices, but sending several receivers out and picking the one that is open is pretty basic football high school teams do well. As far as POB not coming in and starting, I am watching Rosen right now who is a true frosh and is doing fine guiding his 8-3, #22 ranked team.
I hope i am wrong about POB not being able to make the leap from HS to starting QB in the BIG10 in just 8 months. He does have some incredible tools, but it is a lot to pick up. If he grasps the college game quickly, we may not be having these gripe sessions about TA's poor decision making ability next season.
Great point. I didn't see that until I went back over the play after reading your post. For all those people who say Langsdorf shouldn't give TA the choice, the problem with teaching him not to think is what happens if someone on the D sniffs out the play. There are very few offenses in college football today that operate effectively with a quarterback who can't make good choices. I don't think one more spring is going to make that big a difference for him.
So Armstring didn't identify the best option and make a good decision on where to throw the ball? Wow, who could have ever seen that coming?
the problem is those short and medium routes aren't open without the associated deep routes running off the secondary ... the QB has to be smart enough to know down, distance and game situations
Watched the game with my brother-in-law yesterday and he hasn't watched TA play much before and he asked the question, "i wonder if your QB is color blind?"
OK, help me get this all straight.
Our kicker's head was on the block early in the year but now we have complete confidence in him.
Our OL stinks and we can't get a yard when we need to.
Our running backs are awful and miss the holes. Cross is good for only going straight ahead.
Our QB can't read a D - BTW - he should have made a pre-snap read on the D and that should have tipped him off at least a little. So we should take decision making out of his hands and only let him hand it off. That pretty much eliminates the zone read and all passing plays I guess.
It is called football - a game of strengths and weaknesses and you have to outsmart and out EXECUTE the opposition. If you can't do both you look like an idiot and everyone second guesses every move you make - outsmart and execute and you are a hero to everyone. There are always those who would say it was the wrong call no matter what even if Carter scores. Sheez
Our kicker's head was on the block early in the year but now we have complete confidence in him.
Our OL stinks and we can't get a yard when we need to.
Our running backs are awful and miss the holes. Cross is good for only going straight ahead.
Our QB can't read a D - BTW - he should have made a pre-snap read on the D and that should have tipped him off at least a little. So we should take decision making out of his hands and only let him hand it off. That pretty much eliminates the zone read and all passing plays I guess.
It is called football - a game of strengths and weaknesses and you have to outsmart and out EXECUTE the opposition. If you can't do both you look like an idiot and everyone second guesses every move you make - outsmart and execute and you are a hero to everyone. There are always those who would say it was the wrong call no matter what even if Carter scores. Sheez
Ever since Tommy threw that 99 3/4 yard pass to Q in the Gator Bowl, it's like throwing the long ball was his heroin.
An open man on some play who was missed does not make it a good call. All over in college football you will see open men who are missed. Missing an open man is just another part of the game. Tommy is very poor at finding the best target so expecting success out of something that isn't his strength is exactly what makes it a bad decision. If he could nickel and dime it down the field then I'd feel better about him but his short passes suck and his biggest benefit in the passing game is the low percentage long ball.
Dumb, dumb call.
1. Imani Cross has ran for a first down every single time on 3rd and 4th down this year until that third down play. Every...single...time...all...year...long.
2. It's pretty clear Tommy was reading his keys for that dumb play. If the safety comes down the key is to throw the fade....especially when your best receiver is out there. This is why the play call was ridiculous.
3. Imani Cross still has been stopped only once this season on either third or 4th down.
1. Imani Cross has ran for a first down every single time on 3rd and 4th down this year until that third down play. Every...single...time...all...year...long.
2. It's pretty clear Tommy was reading his keys for that dumb play. If the safety comes down the key is to throw the fade....especially when your best receiver is out there. This is why the play call was ridiculous.
3. Imani Cross still has been stopped only once this season on either third or 4th down.
I don't disagree on Langsdorf's call. I'm sure it was a brilliant call and if executed probably would have gone for 6. The problem I have is that Langsdorf has to know at this point in the season that TA is not capable of making the decisions necessary to run his offense. So why put him in that position? DL should have told TA, Carter is your only option on this play. He should be open, but if he's not work to the left side and try to make it with your feet.
DL has to know at this point in the season, if given the opportunity to throw the long, low percentage ball, TA will throw the long, low percentage ball.
DL has to know at this point in the season, if given the opportunity to throw the long, low percentage ball, TA will throw the long, low percentage ball.
Just playing high level HS football would be an improvement at the position. Also doubt he thinks he's the next Brett Favre.
So, now we're calling the play brilliant? wtf. Okay, glad you watched it again on your DVR and cleared that all up for us.
So, what is your assessment? Langsdorf is a brilliant X's and O's guy, but a terrible teacher? That was his top student that threw a deep fade on 4th and 1. Glad we can now call that a brilliant call.
So, what is your assessment? Langsdorf is a brilliant X's and O's guy, but a terrible teacher? That was his top student that threw a deep fade on 4th and 1. Glad we can now call that a brilliant call.
Well, Tommy finds the open guy over half the time according to his stats. You say missing an open man is just another part of the game then you also have to agree that finding said open man would also be part of the game. Tommy is obviuosly not good at reading coverages and finding the open guy - I have seen HS kids that were better at that aspect. But you cant eliminate the entire play book because that is what you would have to do and that makes no sense. As a play caller, you cant go through a progression of "if's" before you call a play. What if my left teackle cant handle the DE, the right guard the slanting NT or the center who cannot handle the blitz? Do I just not call any of those plays? I get that it is not Tommy's strength but you cant elimimate 90% of your playnook. The coach puts the players in position to make plays but it is still up to the players to make the play.
The play itself was very well set up but I think the timing of the play was a bad idea and Armstrong failed to do his part. Use that on first and second down or even third and a few but not in short yardage situations when you need to pick up that first. To me that play was a gamble at best..
Top student. Tommy Armpunt is THE BEST QB WE HAVE. He was terrible last year too, but he was still the best we had. Maybe just part of it is that our previous staff whiffed over and over on quarterbacks.
I didn't say to never make the call, my concern is with the timing of the call. We were living on a prayer with that one and everyone knows it. IMO plays with a higher risk of ending up bad or a loss of down is a bad call when you really need a first down. Sorry but I think running that ball gives us a greater shot at the reward.
Bill Callahan was also a brilliant play caller. Never called a pass play where there wasn't an open receiver. As long as the qb made all the right reads, the wrs made the proper route adjustments and caught anything close to them, the ol blocked the pass rushers and the rbs picked up any blitzes. All of these excuses sound exactly like BC, to the letter.
So how well did Cross do on the 3rd down play? You could also argue that if they had run it well before the 4th down call this would all be moot. If you measure risk to reward ratio it would be higher that we score on the pass. You are making the argument for Lansdorf as he looked at the D.
I actually thought they should have run it as well but the way Iowa was lined up I didnt like our chances. The pass call was good, execution was terrible. No different than missing a block and hacing your back getting stuffed in the backfield. If they run and dont get it I guarantee you the play is still questioned - should not have been Cross, use Tommy's legs, why go wide, dont go up the middle, why run Newby between the tackles, etc etc. The second guessing will never end.
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The ball was gone before Carter was open this thread is BS. Horrible call to everybody in college football but Nebraska fans who are trying to do whatever they can to defend a horrible coaching decision. Hold the ball their and he gets sacked.
Kick the damn field goal. We got the ball back 2 times after that. Horrible coaching decision. Just Just like the 2 and 3 n the 1st half. 3 straight passes including 4th down.
We are looking foolish trying to defend 5-7 results.
Kick the damn field goal. We got the ball back 2 times after that. Horrible coaching decision. Just Just like the 2 and 3 n the 1st half. 3 straight passes including 4th down.
We are looking foolish trying to defend 5-7 results.
Funny how this QB can win 9 games in the past 2 season but can't win under this coaching staff..GMAFB...We shouldn't fired Bo and you guys hate it you aren't right about this hiring..
And the last coaching staff was a joke I was told. Team is undisciplined, that's a reflection of the head coach.
And the last coaching staff was a joke I was told. Team is undisciplined, that's a reflection of the head coach.
Yeah but it also took a Hail Mary and an insane run by Ameer Abdullah to get those 9 wins. We could have very easily won 9 games this year, had a few breaks gone our way. Either way we have been a crappy team the past 3 or 4 years regardless of the win loss record.
No we should've fired Bo but I think the choice on who would replace him was a not so great one.
Now you think you're somebody who knows football? If you were so good at play calling somebody would be paying you millions to coach there team. But until that day comes kindly STFU!
Sorry to disagree, but this is where you're wrong. You don't need to know football to get paid millions. You just need to be a nice guy. Just ask gamma... That's why no one will fire Riley. He's too nice. "Gut Feeling" thread if you want proof.
Don't care what his career record is, he still knows more about football than all of you f-tards combined. If you all think we would have gotten the one yard rushing, you've proven my point about your lack of knowledge. As OP pointed out Iowa loaded the box. What has are inept OL done in the last 10 years that would make you think they would sack up and get any push against a loaded box?
Exactly! Langsdorf made a horrendously bad call on the 4th and 1. Most coaches are thinking that they have maybe 2 possessions to score 11 points with the amount of time left on the clock. That means we can't come away without scoring points in either of those 2 possessions.
It doesn't really matter which we score first, because we know we have to score a FG, TD, and a 2-point conversion. Granted, scoring the TD and 2-point conversion would be great, because we would only have to kick a FG on our last possession, but getting stopped on 3rd and 1 ensured that kicking the FG was our safest best on 4th and 1 to keep our chances alive during our last possession.
But if you don't score on the first of the 2 possessions, you essentially end your opportunity to win the game, without even getting to the 2nd possession. You have to call the play that gives you the best chance to score points, and allows you to still tie it up with the 2nd possession.
Kicking the FG is the surest way of getting to that 2nd possession to be able to tie it, because running or passing it on 4th and 1 present more inherent risk of not getting the 1st down. Not to mention that Tommy wasn't exactly accurate yesterday.
Ummm... Being sarcastic here. Gamma has been anti Riley since day one and even said the only reason Riley hasn't been fired over the years is because he's nice. You should check the thread out. His disdain for Riley is clear.
The game was an 11 point deficit with 6 minutes left. The missed TE on 4th and 1 was a big miss by TA. However, the game did not hinge on that one play. Iowa would have still had a 3-4 point lead. All season, Iowa has shut down their offense in the fourth Qtr. to burn clock. If the lead is cut, Iowa would score right away by opening the offense up again. Ferentz plays very safe and plays the percentages. He just scores enough to win. Against Indiana for example, whenever IU closed the gap, after several previous Iowa drives had stalled, the Iowa offense would open up and Iowa marched down the field for scores. What ended this game was Iowa's knowledge that TA would turn it over trying too hard to cut a deficit, while being forced to pass to save the clock. The turning point of the game was that Iowa's first three plays of the 3rd quarter were Canzeri's 4 yard run, then the 29 yd TD, and the next play from scrimmage for Iowa after the 75 yard NU drive is the 68 yd TD.
The real issue is with the NU Athletic Department that made some very stupid decisions. The first was firing Solich who in his previous 5 seasons had gone, 12-1, 10-2, 11-2, 7-7, 9-3. Fired after going 9-3 and 49-15 over 5 seasons? WTF? Then you hire Callahan. After Callahan's entire Raider team mutinied and imploded during his second season in Oakland, anyone with a brain knew he was a crappy head coach. Then the Pellini hire.--Enough said. Pellini was a powder keg that was going to be an embarrassment epic proportions eventually. There are better coaches out there, yet NU fires one and hires two dopes- And, perhaps a third dope is currently in charge who keeps taking a great QB (Great if he is put in the right situation suited for his abilities and skill sets) and tries to make him something he is not. Think of it this way. How awful would the '95 team have been if Tommie Frazier was forced to try and be Johnny Unitas? You currently have a very good QB who's talent is being wasted to the point where sometimes stinks it up on the field because the coaching staff is trying to utilize him in a manner that won't work for him. Exploit his strengths and skills. Quit trying to mold him or force him to play in a manner he isn't a good fit for. There is a lot of talent on this team, and the defense has a lot of talent and potential. If you win 2 of those 4 (5-WIsconsin?) last possession losses I think you would have beaten Purdue and are an 8 win team going into the Iowa game. TA has to learn to know where and how to throw a ball (he seems to always throw off the back foot, or make poor decisions), but first the coaching staff has to know how talented he is and use his skills accordingly.
The real issue is with the NU Athletic Department that made some very stupid decisions. The first was firing Solich who in his previous 5 seasons had gone, 12-1, 10-2, 11-2, 7-7, 9-3. Fired after going 9-3 and 49-15 over 5 seasons? WTF? Then you hire Callahan. After Callahan's entire Raider team mutinied and imploded during his second season in Oakland, anyone with a brain knew he was a crappy head coach. Then the Pellini hire.--Enough said. Pellini was a powder keg that was going to be an embarrassment epic proportions eventually. There are better coaches out there, yet NU fires one and hires two dopes- And, perhaps a third dope is currently in charge who keeps taking a great QB (Great if he is put in the right situation suited for his abilities and skill sets) and tries to make him something he is not. Think of it this way. How awful would the '95 team have been if Tommie Frazier was forced to try and be Johnny Unitas? You currently have a very good QB who's talent is being wasted to the point where sometimes stinks it up on the field because the coaching staff is trying to utilize him in a manner that won't work for him. Exploit his strengths and skills. Quit trying to mold him or force him to play in a manner he isn't a good fit for. There is a lot of talent on this team, and the defense has a lot of talent and potential. If you win 2 of those 4 (5-WIsconsin?) last possession losses I think you would have beaten Purdue and are an 8 win team going into the Iowa game. TA has to learn to know where and how to throw a ball (he seems to always throw off the back foot, or make poor decisions), but first the coaching staff has to know how talented he is and use his skills accordingly.
Sorry, I missed on your sarcasm. Been getting fed up with the armchair QB's who come here and think because they post on a football MB that this qualifies them as football geniuses.
Sooooo...that's how easy it is? Ferentz just says "OK guys, why don't you just go out there and turn it back on, and score a TD this series."
Why the hell does everybody keep talking about utilizing TA's strengths. If you are building a bridge you don't hire an electrical engineer, you hire a structural engineer. My point being, you do what you know. MR and his staff know pro style offense. They have incorporated somethings to fit TA, but their not going to put in Tim Beck's whole offense. There are very few coaches that can effectively run a different system than they are used to until they get the recruits they need.
And for the record, we saw the same dumb mistakes from Tommy under Tim Beck with an offense designed for him. As I recall, I heard the same gripes about Tim getting to pass happy.
And for the record, we saw the same dumb mistakes from Tommy under Tim Beck with an offense designed for him. As I recall, I heard the same gripes about Tim getting to pass happy.
Completely agree. A coach isn't just going to shelve an offense that he has been running for 25 years, just because he has a running QB.
I said this before...that Riley has implemented the zone read, the option, and the FB trap. He has even used a play that looks very similar to what Frost ran in '96 and '97. The one where 2 backs line up in the I-Formation, and become lead blockers for TA. Love that play. We scored against MSU with it.
I think Riley has done what he needs to do to take advantage of Tommy's legs. I just think Tommy isn't fully up to the task of running any offense with any sort of consistency.
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