Tommy Armstrong is still there? Seriously?
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Seems to have been the Nebraska way over the last decade or so. Either your a 4 year starter or you never see the field.
Glad to have him still. HUGE ticker! Westy as well.
Pulling for a big year from TA. He has tons of potential.
anyone know what is the Nebraska career record for starts? Likewise what is the career record for INTs?
Especially if he will get over himself and follow the coaching. I believe they put the word too him after the Iowa game, and his following through vs UCLA; would finish the conversion of most. Especially in the early games, in this system, he would have multiple quarters of over 70% completions; but mix in his trademark 20% completion quarters with interceptions. I also believe the coaches have taken the blame for him changing plays; that went awry and fan heat is on the coaches for calling them ( they maintain silence ). ........ That said the team was in turmoil then and TA knows his futures on the line now; and some alternative could emerge. So he has the legs and the system; lets see if he can follow it. He has potential plus and has some great performances. GBR ... After this year, the qb position becomes a jet stream of success, flow and continuity:
Tommy is the lame duck QB. He's getting virtually no press, and everyone is looking to the future. No one even asks who is throwing the balls during the wr/db drills, and maybe it isn't even important right now either.
Tommy saw how things went for his predecessor during TMart's senior year. Young TA was given opportunities during Taylor's senior year, and ended up finishing the season due to injury (so we were told). I'm not saying things will repeat like that this year, but there is more than a chance something similar could happen. I would think Riley/Langs want to get someone's feet wet this season, if they can.
Tommy saw how things went for his predecessor during TMart's senior year. Young TA was given opportunities during Taylor's senior year, and ended up finishing the season due to injury (so we were told). I'm not saying things will repeat like that this year, but there is more than a chance something similar could happen. I would think Riley/Langs want to get someone's feet wet this season, if they can.
Being a senior qb is not at all close to being a "lame duck" politician. A senior season is usually the most productive and has highest chance for a successful season.
After the team suffered a losing season last year, I can guarantee you the coaching staff is not going to use next season as a development season for a freshman QB.
I expect really good things from Tommy this coming year however IF he loses his job at some point, it will be because his turnovers are killing the team.
These coaches don't have the luxury of time to treat anyone as a lame duck.
The main reason I say that is because TA doesn't really fit Riley's system.
If Taylor is healthy all of 2013, Tommy Armstrong, JR never sees the field, other than mop up duty. The same will go for Patrick O'Brien. His PT will be marginal if TA stays healthy.
Suggesting Tommy is a Lame Duck QB is amusing.
I completely disagree..
Look, the staff has basically 2 options:
1) Really tailor the system around Tommy. I mean actually do it, not just give it lip service. They already said the UCLA game was a one off, so to me, we are not going to see them use Tommy like that game. At least that is what they have told us.
2) Start Tommy and do their best to live with what he gives you, and try and spend your time developing the future QB's and see if you can get someone's feet wet.
Is it more important for Langsdorf to spend his time trying to make Tommy a pocket passer or working on getting POB up to speed?
Tommy is absolutely a lame duck QB from my viewpoint.
Sad...he needs to incorporate some of that in his system...maximizing blockers can be crucial in 25 degree weather in November.
I agree.. I really hoped the UCLA game was a wakeup call to the coaches, and it seemed to be, briefly, but then Mike kind of walked that back and so that was disappointing to hear.
Do you think Riley is stupid? He has been coaching for decades. He understands if you can win by running 70 times, he would do it. However, he understands that there are times when going against defenses that you simply can't stand there and pound pound pound your way to a win. You have to have the ability to move the ball in a variety of ways, and the best offense, in his educated opinion, is one that keeps the defenses honest/confused by holding an ability to both run and pass efficiently. A dream offense would be 50-50 in his mind.
Because of his experience, I have to default to him.
Yes, I grew up watching Osborne run 80% of the time and saw the championships. Yes, I wish those days still existed, but I have faith in the guy they hired to lead the team and if he feels that we have to be balanced, I support him.
Because of his experience, I have to default to him.
Yes, I grew up watching Osborne run 80% of the time and saw the championships. Yes, I wish those days still existed, but I have faith in the guy they hired to lead the team and if he feels that we have to be balanced, I support him.
Would not one of those times been against the worst rushing defense in the Big10 in Purdue and your starting QB is hurt? No this staff did not commit to the run outside of two big games MSU and UCLA which they won both - lets hope the lesson has been learned
Do I think Riley is stupid? Well he tried to fit a square peg in a round hole a few times last year. But to be honest, I don't think he is "stupid" or even a bad coach. I think he has a lot to learn about winning, since he's never really done that before (excluding in Canada).
Look at the Purdue game. Awful coaching. I don't know if the staff just looked past them that week (we had Sparta the following week) or if they were just too dam stubborn to see all we needed to do was ground and pound. Purdue was last in the conference stopping the run. We had a back-up (walk-on) QB starting his first game on the road and he passed the ball 48 times!!!
I get it, we were down big time in the late 3rd and all of the 4th quarter so those numbers a skewed. But he tried to be your "50/50" in the first half when the game was close. Why? The game plan should have been a heavy rushing attack all week. Newby was averaging 5 yds per carry before he went down. So Newby goes down and the staff acted like they didn't have any other backs. Forces the game to be on the shoulders of a walk-on QB who threw 4 picks. 2 picks in the 1st half, when we should have been running the ball. No excuses for that. One thing I can promise you, if we run the ball more in that game. Purdue doesn't score 55 points and the games a lot closer.
But by god the man learned from this mistake. It's why I no longer hate him as a coach. He didn't try to get cute or "50/50" against UCLA. He ran the dam ball. UCLA's rush defesnes sucked without Jack, and that's how you beat them.
You hear these coaches say they want to be 50/50 and that's stupid. They want to be 50/50 on the practice field. They need to be consistent on both sides so that when they play a poor Run-D, they can lean on the run. When they are playing a poor pass-D, they can throw. When they play a good total defense, then they play 50/50 ball... 50/50 ball gives a coach the ability to adjust but it doesn't mean the team needs to be "balanced" in every game. That's silly.
And Experience means jack. How much experience did Tyronn Lue have as a head coach when he won the title this year? How bout Steve Kerr with Golden State? Some times experience clouds one vision.
Just a thought...
Experience may actually be a detriment — in fast-moving industries, firms often find that when they hire someone with a great deal of experience, the experiences, those learned patterns, and habits have to be “unlearned” first, before they can succeed under a brand new approach. In addition, more experience may bring with it burnout, and the “I-know-it-all already” attitude. Well-experienced hires may only be able to fix existing things, rather than the more desirable capability of being able to create new things from scratch.
Hopefully everyone can get on the same page and TA can go out a huge winner. I give him props for sticking around, I thought when MR got hired he'd transfer, but he didn't. Unlike a certain basketball player we used to have, TA decided to stick around and battle, so for that I say good for him.
I'm glad that people like you are on this board. Every time I feel inclined to debate you, it prepares me for the ongoing struggles I face with my wife. Your thought process reminds me of something my wife would try to argue. Thank you for keeping me on my toes.
The flaw in your point is simple. Mike Riley isn't going to build for the future. He's going to play the QB who gives him the best chance to win games right now. That QB is Tommy Armstrong, JR. "Bringing Patrick O'Brien up to speed" would be a big mistake for Riley.
He has 16 returning starters. He has the best receiving corp in the Big Ten, and an NFL tight end. He has a legit 2 deep of linebackers. He has 2 running backs with starting experience. He has one of the most highly recruited Offensive lines in the country. There are only 4 offensive tackles slated to start in the Big Ten for 2016 with offers from Bama. Nebraska will start 2 of them. Kalu, Chris Jones, and Aaron Williams, whom all stole starting spots away last year from upper classemen, are all returning along with Nate Gerry, an NFL prospect.
The roster will see an infusion of athleticsm through redshirts and true freshmen that will overhaul Nebraska's effectiveness on special teams. DPE is coming back... And Tommy Armstrong, JR will be in year 2 under Langsdorf and Riley. If you go back and look at Riley's history with QB's in year 2, they all improve dramatically on the stat sheet and on the scoreboard. Lastly, you have a schedule that's not difficult. They will face 1 ranked team in the first 8 weeks. That team will be at home.
There is enough substance in place to win games in 2016. You don't build for the future and just throw away that chance. Mike Riley doesn't really have that cushion, and it would be foolish. Tommy gives you the best chance to win.
It is odd we've basically had 2 QB's the last 7 (soon to be 8 yrs). I'm hopeful this will be TA's best season yet as a Husker....
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Here we go again.. you are inferring things that I have not said.
I never said Mike was only building for the future. He is going to start TA, I never said he would not. I only said it is more than a chance possible that someone else might finish the season and also getting another QB's feet wet is not a bad idea.
If Mike would run the type of offense we ran against UCLA, then by all means we have a big chance of doing something this year, but that is not going to happen. Why? Cause Mike said so.
Mike has come out and stated that is not what people should expect. In addition, after the spring game, he came out and said that he wants to improve the screen game this year. (ok cool, but what does that mean?)
I hear that and think more square peg/round hole. I know TA isn't good at those short passes and don't believe it can be fixed over a summer so why even mess with that?
I guess others might think or interpret it differently, and that's fine.
I'd feel much different if I heard Mike talking about how they are working on the QB run game and play action..
To me, we are going to run the same offense we did last year and most people are going to expect a different result.
With it being the last recruiting camp and with all the excitement, I decided to watch some videos/listen to some podcasts. One of the videos was with Coach Riley. Riley stresses that he likes to have QB's redshirt. The commentator asks if POB will redshirt. Riley says we don't know yet. Interesting...
Since we are talking about TA. Could have been the same video. The commentator asked specifically if TA didn't run the ball early in the season to limit his chance of injury. Riley, direct quote "NOT TRUE". iirc, Riley said they were still learning the team, never had a running QB before, had a limited playbook early in the season.
imo, about the only way I see POB seeing the field is if we're doing poorly (sub 500 record) AND POB is lighting it up in practice. Riley crawfished after his statements about the UCLA game, so I don't expect game planning tailored to TA's strengths. But I don't know, maybe an old dog won't returneth to his vomit, and will learn a new trick. In any case, everybody should be more comfortable, knowledgable, and experienced in the schemes, which I expect to result in a better year.
Is TA a lame duck? Let's see, TA has this year then he's done (limited term). Are we more excited to see POB or Gebbia in this offense, or TA? Is POB or Gebbia more suited to this offense than TA? Ya, lame duck fits.
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Must have been the dynamite reliability in the run game when they choked and got stuffed time after time. But yes, let's just make-believe and say things like "let's hope the lesson has been learned".
No, lame duck doesn't fit, because each season is its own entirety. There is a conference champion and a national champion crowned each season. It's not as though there is some 4 year culmination of performance. A lame duck is referred to the time period of an existing president AFTER a new president has been elected - this is not his final year as president, but instead the 2 month period while he is still holding office in waiting for the new guy. It is not his final fourth year of a Presidency.
First things first. In a political sense, TA is not a political lame duck, he's not a politician. If someone wants to draw a parallel between a lame duck politician and TA, it fits. I recognize TA is not a politician, I can't speak for NikkiSixx (but I think NikkiSixx recognizes this as well). Would you like to tell me how William "the fridge" Perry can't be a refrigerator.
It is EXACTLY the 4-year culmination of performance for TA. This IS his final year as qb at NU. Please tell, which Husker fans ARE NOT waiting for the new guy.
So chicolby, please don't go all literal here. BTW, I especially enjoy your threads where you do a poll. They generally get some really good discussion. Any ideas for a new poll?
It is EXACTLY the 4-year culmination of performance for TA. This IS his final year as qb at NU. Please tell, which Husker fans ARE NOT waiting for the new guy.
So chicolby, please don't go all literal here. BTW, I especially enjoy your threads where you do a poll. They generally get some really good discussion. Any ideas for a new poll?
Maybe I should have described it differently.
TA is a senior dual threat qb, and the offense is now pro style.. so he is kind of the last remaining chess piece before we can see how the system looks with a pro style qb. That's all I meant.
Just to avoid any confusion, TA is not lame, and TA is not a duck either.
The reason I responded to the "lame duck" name is because it usually means a period in which a President does nothing, simply waiting for the next guy to step in. I believe Tommy has a legit chance to show something special and accomplish great things in this final season.
I understand what those of you who like the term meant, so no harm, no foul.
@nebcountry - haven't had a lot of time to think about new polls, but during the off-season is usually when I post them because there isn't much to discuss. And I come from a market research background.
I understand what those of you who like the term meant, so no harm, no foul.
@nebcountry - haven't had a lot of time to think about new polls, but during the off-season is usually when I post them because there isn't much to discuss. And I come from a market research background.
Things do get lost in translation on a message board on all sides. I hope TA does well and goes out with a bang. Heck, we're just a couple months from football starting again.
Pretty sure it's a rule that if you invoke your wife into a thread, a picture is to follow. Doesn't have to be in a wet t-shirt, but it doesn't hurt either.
I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
I'm glad he is having a quiet summer. He needs to be out of the spotlight and have an opportunity to understand what he needs to do with no distractions. Personally I am excited for the possibility of a senior led qb
I think that you may not be presenting a balanced POV. People said the same shit in the 90s. Can't just run. Got to stretch the field or you'll never win. Old fashioned system that won't attract NFL talent. It just depends on the athletes that you have. Obviously we did OK for a bit running the ball. And throwing 50 times with bad passers isn't exactly a genius alternative. The coaches called some bad games last year. I hope they've learned to use the talent that they have in a better way since then.
Glad to see you agree that we are loaded with talent. Good enough to win our half of the B1G. No excuses this year. None. If the record isn't extremely better, it's not the players fault.
