Your words. Maybe you can explain what you meant. Really don't know what you are talking about on that last part.
Tommy Armstrong - Dare I say he's the best QB in the B1G?
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What? When we play better teams, he might throw more interceptions? That's shocking; he must be inferior. If you are right that he could throw more int's against better teams, then you deserve a medal. And I didn't see anyone act like USM and USA are great defensive teams, but without looking up any stats (which I know you hate), gonna guess they aren't too much worse then the Rainbows and the Unknowns.
I think a QB who throws more interceptions is much more likely to be inferior.
I prefer gold or platinum.
Pardon me, if I answer you with stats. I know they are meaningless to you, since your opinion is a more reliable judge!
You are correct, no OSU QB has more. But take a closer look at these STATS:
Tommy has 5 int, in 151 attempts, with 11 TD's.
Jones has 4, in 79 attempts, with 4 TD's. and Barrett has 2 in 38 attempts, with 2 TD's.
Tommy has thrown an interception in 3.3% of his throws.
Jones has thrown an interception in 5% of his throws.
Barrett has thrown an interception in 5.2% of his throws.
Tommy has thrown a TD in 7.3% of his throws.
Jones has thrown a TD in 5% of his throws.
Barrett has thrown a TD in 5.2% of his throws.
I know... these are meaningless stats.
Feel free to come back with your, more meaningful, opinions.
Here's my opinion...If these guys weren't so hyped after winning a national championship and they weren't coached by Urban Meyer, there would be no discussion on here about them. Nobody would even be considering that they were having a better year than Armstrong at this point.
The ceiling is high for them, and by the end of the year they might be living up to their pre-season hype. But they are not at the moment.
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They hype is there for the OSU QB's, but at this point TA has outperformed them. Not real hard to see by the stats you have posted. Good stuff, thanks for posting it.
Just think IF Tommy had the O line and RBs that OSU has to work with. Of course maybe OSU's QBs would be a lot better with Langsdorf coaching them than with Beck too....
That gave me a good chuckle; "that's what I thought," as if you just put the smack down, dropped the mic, and walked away. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you've got yours, whatever your reasoning may be. I think a few posters, on more than a few occasions in this thread, have exposed the problems in your arguments, even if you don't want to accept it. You pretty much contradicted yourself. Enjoy your day.
If you want to act like a 1.9% difference is anything other than a tiny difference at this point in the season and not take into account that Tommy is our only playmaker who has been scrambling to try to lead a couple of comebacks when discussing yards/attempts/tds I guess that's pretty biased in multiple ways.
Tell me which one of those QBs threw an interception in overtime with the game on the line?
You think Tommy had a good game against Southern Miss because of his stats? No, that was not a good game. He had a decent performance against a weak team which lead to decent stats. And USM was still able to hang around because we couldn't get it in the endzone. Would leading your team to what ended up as a dominant come-from-behind win on the road factor in to how good of a game the QB had?
Says the guy whose boy had a QB rating of 33 against Northern Illinois. OUCH!
Why would they be trailing at 1/2 time to Virginia Tech if C. Jones was all-world? A V.T. team that loses to the likes of Eastern Carolina?
You point out that Tommy is our only play-maker, and then bag on him (after mounting one of the biggest comebacks in history) for throwing an int?
Please stop.
Wow, you sounds like an idiot. You have been owned, but time. It's probably time to just take your lumps and stop posting.
Now facts are bagging on him. You bring up his QB rating... but not his record... spin however you like.
No, he's good, but until he stops causing turnovers at very costly times, then I would say no. Until he starts going up against the B1G defenses we can't be sure.
Mich State, Wiscy, NW, and Iowa all have defenses that are going to give us problems. They all have pretty decent offenses from what I have seen also. Combine those two things and you have teams that can get up against us quick and who also have the defense to to hold us down.
I want to see how Tommy does in a fairly rough and smash B1G before I'd say that. Cook, Jones, Barnett, and maybe even the Iowa QB are a bit better IMO. I'd even throw in Stave, as I think he's looked better as of late. The turnovers are what really hold Tommy down. They always come at the worst times.
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This brings up an interesting point because it seems his first read is often open. Maybe we are running better routes!
Well there are some things that go into it...one is pre-snap recognition. The other is well designed route trees. I think TA has a good understanding what should be open. I thought the last staff did a very poor job of developing QB's. Martinez and TA rarely ever went to the second progression. I could be wrong, but I think this staff does a better job teaching than the last staff.
The problem is when the first route is not open--too often he tries to force the ball, instead of going to the next progression. Not always...but a lot of the time.
Oh, my, gawd. You bring up the fact of TA throwing a pick to prove that he is inferior, and I mention your boys deplorable QB rating, and you move onto "well, my boys got a better record," and then accuse me of spinning? Just about every single individual stat suggests that TA has outperformed the golden boys at OSU, you've been drop kicked by half a dozen people in this thread, and here you are, back for more, dropping the "team record" stat to make your case. As you have already mentioned, OSU has a "superb" running game, and TA is the "only playmaker" on NU, and somehow now, the team records are the vital indicator as to who is performing better? I just sort of feel bad for you.
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No doubt about it. Armstrong wins the Sept. Heisman. Can't wait to see how he does in the playoffs.
Good breakdown, and tend to agree. The proof is in the stats until another QB proves different. Interception to touchdown ratio is a concern.
2 were tip balls and one was blown routes. The other were trying to do too much cause you felt you had too.
At least we're not seeing him hit the other teams in the numbers.
As an OSU fan I would agree that Jones and Barrett have played below expectations so far this year. The expectations were astronomical aand there's a variety of reasons why the expectations haven't been met so far. But outside of the Buckeye fans who want (expect) perfection every time out, no one is overly concerned.
Armstrong looks really good so far.
Armstrong looks really good so far.
Dumb post is dumb. B1G QB's have dominated the Super Bowl these past 7-8 years. The consensus QB predicted to be taken 1st in the NFL is Cook. The 2nd is Cardale Jones.
I don't understand the hate for our conference and the lack of respect for its athletes.
TA seems to throw more balls that should be picked off that never are, than any QB I can remember. He also throws to many that are picked. His completion percentage is helped out with all the screens we throw. His accuracy is so/so, at best. Yes he is better than last year, but how much would that really take, honestly? At this point he's serviceable and easily the best QB on our roster, but that doesn't make him better than he really is. He is what he is, and if he starts next year he will be the same guy. Serviceable. Doesn't mean you can't games with him, and I hope we do & I'm rooting for him.
True, Reggie was Mr October and Tommy is Mr September. Too bad it is October
No kidding. TA is horrible. 6 first downs and a big 82 yards so far. OSU, mich, etc are scared. Look out Bama
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