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Tom Osborne’s Excuses for Scott Frost

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What Osborne said the other day about Frost isn’t aging well:

"He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn’t have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he’s a good coach and a good person.”

More bad bounces than good bounces???Frost’s 5th year team was done for the year by mid SEPTEMBER! What in the hell did Frost do with his time here besides count his money?

People can crap on the Urban Meyer’s dreams all they want, but he seems like the only person out there with the coaching and recruiting talent to turn this around.

This is the worst team in our history. I’d say bring on basketball except our basketball team will suck too.
 
What Osborne said the other day about Frost isn’t aging well:

"He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn’t have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he’s a good coach and a good person.”

More bad bounces than good bounces???Frost’s 5th year team was done for the year by mid SEPTEMBER! What in the hell did Frost do with his time here besides count his money?

People can crap on the Urban Meyer’s dreams all they want, but he seems like the only person out there with the coaching and recruiting talent to turn this around.

This is the worst team in our history. I’d say bring on basketball except our basketball team will suck too.
I still think a lot of blame goes back on TO and his Cronies. One of the announcers made a comment about OU’s leadership (guys that pull the stringsthat I’ve felt the exact opposite about when it comes to our leadership.

He said something along the lines of, things were set up for Lincoln Riley to come in without missing a beat and same with Brent Venables.

Our “leadership” had such a hard-on for Nebraska guys and “The Nebraska Way,” that we were set up to fail.

If you weren’t a Nebraska guy, they would work against you.
 
What Osborne said the other day about Frost isn’t aging well:

"He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn’t have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he’s a good coach and a good person.”

More bad bounces than good bounces???Frost’s 5th year team was done for the year by mid SEPTEMBER! What in the hell did Frost do with his time here besides count his money?

People can crap on the Urban Meyer’s dreams all they want, but he seems like the only person out there with the coaching and recruiting talent to turn this around.

This is the worst team in our history. I’d say bring on basketball except our basketball team will suck too.
Just protecting one of his kids
 
No doubt. I wish he had stopped there.
Back in the Callahan years things weren't perfect, but Osborne wasn't supportive. All of that negativity permeated the program behind the scenes. Things were better with Pelini for a while because he hired him and hired some Nebraska guys like Cotton that couldn't recruit and develop players to the level needed. Riley shouldn't have been hired but again the negativity was back from the Nebraska traditionalists that wanted Frost. Then we got Frost and here we are.
Now at least it seems all throughout the program and fanbase there is a unity of vision on where we need to go. Or less of a whine about restoring the tradition of yesteryear with old Nebraska guys. That may finally be what leads us out of the crap hole.
 
I still think a lot of blame goes back on TO and his Cronies. One of the announcers made a comment about OU’s leadership (guys that pull the stringsthat I’ve felt the exact opposite about when it comes to our leadership.

He said something along the lines of, things were set up for Lincoln Riley to come in without missing a beat and same with Brent Venables.

Our “leadership” had such a hard-on for Nebraska guys and “The Nebraska Way,” that we were set up to fail.

If you weren’t a Nebraska guy, they would work against you.
Not sure how you eval Mickey but there is a chance we become even more inbred if mickey is hired + former player as AD
 
Not sure how you eval Mickey but there is a chance we become even more inbred if mickey is hired + former player as AD
I don’t think Mickey will be the HC. I like him, I just think the lack of Oline and D talent is too much for him to overcome.

I don’t think his try out is gonna go that well. Not his fault at all, but that’s the hand he’s dealt.
I do hope that he will be retained as WR Coach though.
 
What Osborne said the other day about Frost isn’t aging well:

"He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn’t have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he’s a good coach and a good person.”

More bad bounces than good bounces???Frost’s 5th year team was done for the year by mid SEPTEMBER! What in the hell did Frost do with his time here besides count his money?

People can crap on the Urban Meyer’s dreams all they want, but he seems like the only person out there with the coaching and recruiting talent to turn this around.

This is the worst team in our history. I’d say bring on basketball except our basketball team will suck too.
What do want him to say ? Point the phuckin finger at Frost , period.
 
What do want him to say ? Point the phuckin finger at Frost , period.
I wanted him to say this:

"At Nebraska, we always expect to compete at a very high level, and those expectations have not changed.”

That is what he said after Callahan was fired on 11/24/2007. Frost never even had a winning record in a single season. Why the hypocrisy? Does Frost have to be babied by everyone?
 
The on
I hope if it is not Mickey, that he would stay if offered by the next coach.

I like his energy, he is personable, is a stand up guy, and a helluva recruiter. A great addition!

The only reason to even pay attention to our program anymore is to see who we hire next.

You have to have a sick curiosity to watch our games. Unfortunately, I do :(
 
What Osborne said the other day about Frost isn’t aging well:

"He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn’t have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he’s a good coach and a good person.”

More bad bounces than good bounces???Frost’s 5th year team was done for the year by mid SEPTEMBER! What in the hell did Frost do with his time here besides count his money?

People can crap on the Urban Meyer’s dreams all they want, but he seems like the only person out there with the coaching and recruiting talent to turn this around.

This is the worst team in our history. I’d say bring on basketball except our basketball team will suck too.
Why are you so caught up in what Tom says about Frost? We all know Frost was a bad coach, I am sure Tom is fully aware of how badly Frost was as the coach. So what good is it for Tom to come out publicly criticizing Frost? Will it make you feel better if Tom and Frost no longer have a great relationship? Frost is gone. He is finished. Let us all move on.
 
I still think a lot of blame goes back on TO and his Cronies. One of the announcers made a comment about OU’s leadership (guys that pull the stringsthat I’ve felt the exact opposite about when it comes to our leadership.

He said something along the lines of, things were set up for Lincoln Riley to come in without missing a beat and same with Brent Venables.

Our “leadership” had such a hard-on for Nebraska guys and “The Nebraska Way,” that we were set up to fail.

If you weren’t a Nebraska guy, they would work against you.
Weren't Riley and Venables OU guys? Are they really doing anything different than giving their coaches more to work with?
 
I respect TO....he was an offensive genius...but the game has pasted him by...it is time to disregard anything he says....especially about frost.

This game really showed how frost screwed the team and the fans.
 
Weren't Riley and Venables OU guys? Are they really doing anything different than giving their coaches more to work with?
Stoops wasn’t an OU guy. So yes, they did go outside their circle.
The coaching tree under Stoops is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything we’ve experienced. Look at all the coordinators under Stoops that went on to have success. So the succession of Lincoln and Brent make sense.
 
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What Osborne said the other day about Frost isn’t aging well:

"He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn’t have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he’s a good coach and a good person.”

More bad bounces than good bounces???Frost’s 5th year team was done for the year by mid SEPTEMBER! What in the hell did Frost do with his time here besides count his money?

People can crap on the Urban Meyer’s dreams all they want, but he seems like the only person out there with the coaching and recruiting talent to turn this around.

This is the worst team in our history. I’d say bring on basketball except our basketball team will suck too.
What did you expect him to say?
 
Stoops wasn’t an OU guy. So yes, they did go outside their circle.
The coaching tree under Stoops is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything we’ve experienced. Look at all the coordinators under Stoops that went on to have success. So the succession of Lincoln and Brent make sense.
After several tries at OU guys and Captain Kangaroo. They had a bad coach (Blake) accumulate enough talent for Stoops to turn things around quickly. I agree we need to go outside and made a legit hire, but at this point it's a complete rebuild. Somehow we always seem to be in a less than ideal situation without good options.
 
Why are you so caught up in what Tom says about Frost? We all know Frost was a bad coach, I am sure Tom is fully aware of how badly Frost was as the coach. So what good is it for Tom to come out publicly criticizing Frost? Will it make you feel better if Tom and Frost no longer have a great relationship? Frost is gone. He is finished. Let us all move on.

This times 1000!
 
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I wanted him to say this:

"At Nebraska, we always expect to compete at a very high level, and those expectations have not changed.”

That is what he said after Callahan was fired on 11/24/2007. Frost never even had a winning record in a single season. Why the hypocrisy? Does Frost have to be babied by everyone?
He's 85 years old. He has zero influence right now and hasn't since he retired. Let it go.
 
I wanted him to say this:

"At Nebraska, we always expect to compete at a very high level, and those expectations have not changed.”

That is what he said after Callahan was fired on 11/24/2007. Frost never even had a winning record in a single season. Why the hypocrisy? Does Frost have to be babied by everyone?
Just stop Frost is gone it’s over. Tom was just protecting one of his kids. Bill was one of the guys that basically destroyed what he had built for so many years. Big difference there. So stop sounding like a little kid that’s not getting his way
 
Just protecting one of his kids
Thats part of the problem when you get down to it and that is exactly what Urban Meyer was alluding to with his comparisons. Osborne and many of his constituents treat Husker football as if it were HIS. The players that played for him are somehow more important and on a different level than other kids that have played in the program,. They live it -believe it and see nothing wrong with it and are open with it.

That is the exact opposite of what OU does and is about, That is why they have multiple great ex HC's that can get on stage and pump unilaterally for what is best for the program as Switzer and Bob Stoops did. They make statements that the program is not about any individuals be it players or coaches. Made a huge point of that when Lincoln Riley left and brought the fanbase together.

Here it is all about Tom! and dont kid yourself that is exactly how he wants it! They dont even care if they divide the fan base over it. Throws lil hissy fits if there is a hire TO wasn't involved in and turns in his box or suite. Healthy football programs like OU doesn't have to put up with this. They did at one time-Gary Gibbs-moved on outside the box of ex players and have made their program the top priority instead of placating retired coaches trying to build a coaching tree for them,

Without even thinking twice TO came in and threw the players that were here when Frost came under the bus. Insulted them -to make a 100% invalid excuse for the failure of Scott Frost! Most had spent more years in the HUSKER program than Frost did! Did the same to the prior coach because he also wasn't one of HIS. Why? Why do we as fans let them discount or insult players like Stolt-Stille-Jo Jo Austin Allen-Stan-Bootle-Davis twins-Dismuke-Lamar Jackson etc etc etc and not take offense to it? Does anyone honestly believe those players are why Frost has 4 going on 5 losing seasons of terrible football put on the field? Natl Champs maybe not but 3-4 wins with what he had leftover was plain terrible coaching-no detail and probably too much partying and not giving a damn with his focus in the wrong directions

When the fat lady sang in year 5 and we look back in the rear view mirror most of the best guys-most loyal guys and guys that contributed the most were the guys that were left over from Mike Rileys recruiting era. To blame them for Frost failing is so wrong on so many levels and something TO should be publicly called out over,

Frost did the same thing when he came-There was an instant dividing line between HIS kids and the guys already in the program causing a huge disconnect. I personally take extra offense to it as I know what those same people did to undermine things to get Frosty here! They act as if those players, regardless if they originated from Bo or Riley recruiting, were not important to the Husker football program!

Its a major problem here and wont change until people start realizing it and do something about it. We have an 85year old dictator that wants to play ball HIS way and if you get in his way he throws a temper tantrum that is felt all the way up to the Governors office. Healthy programs arent forced into this!
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Many programs have encountered similar as these long tenured coaches cant let go. Its not unusual. Joe Pa was the same-would do anything to hide his guys wrongdoings- Bobby Bowden had to be ran off-Bill Snyder's exit wasnt easy or comfortable and the list is long. The presidents and AD's that have tried to stand up to TO have gotten damned and fired for doing it. Perlman-Pederson even Eichorst were trying to do their jobs and a University outsider was demanding they do it HIS way. He IS an outsider. He doesnt work for the University nor the atletic program and he shouldnt have any say or input. That is why we are where we are. Placating an 85 year old ex coach and press refuses to call him out for anything!

This is Tom's program that he has been terrible at managing forever until people put their foot down and refuse to give a damn about Husker ties from the TO era in hiring new coaches.
 
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He's being diplomatic. Not all that complicated.
He is babying and making excuses for a former player.


Thats part of the problem when you get down to it and that is exactly what Urban Meyer was alluding to with his comparisons. Osborne and many of his constituents treat Husker football as if it were HIS. The players that played for him are somehow more important and on a different level than other kids that have played in the program,. They live it -believe it and see nothing wrong with it and are open with it.
That is the exact opposite of what OU does and is about, That is why they have multiple great ex HC's that can get on stage and pump unilaterally for what is best for the program as Switzer and Bob Stoops did. They make statements that the program is not about any individuals be it players or coaches. Made a huge point of that when Lincoln Riley left and brought the fanbase together.

Here it is all about Tom! and dont kid yourself that is exactly how he wants it! They dont even care if they divide the fan base over it. Throws lil hissy fits if there is a hire TO wasn't involved in and turns in his box or suite. Healthy football programs like OU doesn't have to put up with this. They did at one time-Gary Gibbs-moved on outside the box of ex players and have made their program the top priority instead of placating retired coaches trying to build a coaching tree for them,

Without even thinking twice TO came in and threw the players that were here when Frost came under the bus. Insulted them -to make a 100% invalid excuse for the failure of Scott Frost! Most had spent more years in the HUSKER program than Frost did! Did the same to the prior coach because he also wasn't one of HIS. Why? Why do we as fans let them discount or insult players like Stolt-Stille-Jo Jo Austin Allen-Stan-Bootle-Davis twins-Dismuke-Lamar Jackson etc etc etc and not take offense to it? Does anyone honestly believe those players are why Frost has 4 going on 5 losing seasons of terrible football put on the field? Natl Champs maybe not but 3-4 wins with what he had leftover was plain terrible coaching-no detail and probably too much partying and not giving a damn with his focus in the wrong directions

When the fat lady sang in year 5 and we look back in the rear view mirror most of the best guys-most loyal guys and guys that contributed the most were the guys that were left over from Mike Rileys recruiting era. This tradition coalition mindset and TO does it constantly and doesnt even think anything about it about it.
Frost did the same thing when he came-There was an instant dividing line between HIS kids and the guys already in the program causing a huge disconnect. I personally take extra offense to it as I know what those same people did to undermine things to get Frosty here! They act as if those players, regardless if they originated from Bo or Riley recruiting, were not important to the Husker football program!

Its a major problem here and wont change until people start realizing it and do something about it. We have an 85year old dictator that wants to play ball HIS way and if you get in his way he throws a temper tantrum that is felt all the way up to the Governors office. Healthy programs arent forced into this!
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Many programs have encountered similar as these long tenured coaches cant let go. Its not unusual. Joe Pa was the same-would do anything to hide his guys wrongdoings- Bobby Bowden had to be ran off-Bill Snyder's exit wasnt easy or comfortable and the list is long. The presidents and AD's that have tried to stand up to TO have gotten damned for doing it. Perlman-Pederson even Eichorst were trying to do their jobs and a University outsider was demanding they do it HIS way. That is why we are where we are.
This is Tom's program that he has been terrible at managing forever until people put their foot down and refuse to give a damn about Husker ties from the TO era in hiring new coaches.
This.

Cronyism with Solich led to our downfall. Cronyism is an ongoing cancer in our program.
 
Fleck or Campbell. Would also take Leipold, Freeze or Dan Mullen. I think that we need a SONOFAB at this point. Reading about Fleck and what he has done (and the fact that he is only 42) I think he will turn this around quickest. He is a master recruiter and plays tough hard nosed FB. He is a dbag but I am done with nice.
 
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Fleck or Campbell. Would also take Leipold, Freeze or Dan Mullen. I think that we need a SONOFAB at this point. Reading about Fleck and what he has done (and the fact that he is only 42) I think he will turn this around quickest. He is a master recruiter and plays tough hard nosed FB. He is a dbag but I am done with nice.
Fleck a very good Coach but he isn’t leaving Minnesota and TA isn even considering another B1G head coach.
 
You may be right about TA but all these posts that start "so and so is not leaving X" are BS. NO ONE knows what is a person's mind and how those thoughts change overtime. Sometimes my wife doesn't know my thoughts , never mind a random poster on a CFB message board.
 
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I wanted him to say this:

"At Nebraska, we always expect to compete at a very high level, and those expectations have not changed.”

That is what he said after Callahan was fired on 11/24/2007. Frost never even had a winning record in a single season. Why the hypocrisy? Does Frost have to be babied by everyone?
I believe he was babied his entire life and it finally caught up to him
 
Thats part of the problem when you get down to it and that is exactly what Urban Meyer was alluding to with his comparisons. Osborne and many of his constituents treat Husker football as if it were HIS. The players that played for him are somehow more important and on a different level than other kids that have played in the program,. They live it -believe it and see nothing wrong with it and are open with it.

That is the exact opposite of what OU does and is about, That is why they have multiple great ex HC's that can get on stage and pump unilaterally for what is best for the program as Switzer and Bob Stoops did. They make statements that the program is not about any individuals be it players or coaches. Made a huge point of that when Lincoln Riley left and brought the fanbase together.

Here it is all about Tom! and dont kid yourself that is exactly how he wants it! They dont even care if they divide the fan base over it. Throws lil hissy fits if there is a hire TO wasn't involved in and turns in his box or suite. Healthy football programs like OU doesn't have to put up with this. They did at one time-Gary Gibbs-moved on outside the box of ex players and have made their program the top priority instead of placating retired coaches trying to build a coaching tree for them,

Without even thinking twice TO came in and threw the players that were here when Frost came under the bus. Insulted them -to make a 100% invalid excuse for the failure of Scott Frost! Most had spent more years in the HUSKER program than Frost did! Did the same to the prior coach because he also wasn't one of HIS. Why? Why do we as fans let them discount or insult players like Stolt-Stille-Jo Jo Austin Allen-Stan-Bootle-Davis twins-Dismuke-Lamar Jackson etc etc etc and not take offense to it? Does anyone honestly believe those players are why Frost has 4 going on 5 losing seasons of terrible football put on the field? Natl Champs maybe not but 3-4 wins with what he had leftover was plain terrible coaching-no detail and probably too much partying and not giving a damn with his focus in the wrong directions

When the fat lady sang in year 5 and we look back in the rear view mirror most of the best guys-most loyal guys and guys that contributed the most were the guys that were left over from Mike Rileys recruiting era. To blame them for Frost failing is so wrong on so many levels and something TO should be publicly called out over,

Frost did the same thing when he came-There was an instant dividing line between HIS kids and the guys already in the program causing a huge disconnect. I personally take extra offense to it as I know what those same people did to undermine things to get Frosty here! They act as if those players, regardless if they originated from Bo or Riley recruiting, were not important to the Husker football program!

Its a major problem here and wont change until people start realizing it and do something about it. We have an 85year old dictator that wants to play ball HIS way and if you get in his way he throws a temper tantrum that is felt all the way up to the Governors office. Healthy programs arent forced into this!
.
Many programs have encountered similar as these long tenured coaches cant let go. Its not unusual. Joe Pa was the same-would do anything to hide his guys wrongdoings- Bobby Bowden had to be ran off-Bill Snyder's exit wasnt easy or comfortable and the list is long. The presidents and AD's that have tried to stand up to TO have gotten damned and fired for doing it. Perlman-Pederson even Eichorst were trying to do their jobs and a University outsider was demanding they do it HIS way. He IS an outsider. He doesnt work for the University nor the atletic program and he shouldnt have any say or input. That is why we are where we are. Placating an 85 year old ex coach and press refuses to call him out for anything!

This is Tom's program that he has been terrible at managing forever until people put their foot down and refuse to give a damn about Husker ties from the TO era in hiring new coaches.
Post of the century
 
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