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Tired of Fyfe bashing

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I think people need to step back and give RF a break. Last year for whatever reason our coaching staff decided to throw 48 times against one of the worst rushing defenses in D1. Ryker threw for 60% for 407 yards, the fifth highest single game passing effort in Nebraska history. I accidentally erased my game tape from last year, so can't review, but of the four INTs I remember one was a contest our receiver didn't win and one was decently on the money but tipped by our receiver. Another INT was a pass RF threw from his own endzone on a play that IMHO should have never been called. Maybe if NU could have run for better than 77 yards on 29 tries (2.7 carry) he would have never been called upon to throw it so much. I also remember the fumble credited to him was a horrible snap he tried to pick up, but should have fallen on. Oh, and BTW, our defense gave up 457 yards, let Purdue convert 2 of 3 fourth downs, and the team was flagged seven times. It was way too easy and way too lazy to crucify Fyfe for that game.

As far as last week, COME ON. He was inserted into a hostile environment, with no running game, a porous O-Line, a receiving corps with the dropsies,, and a fired up opponent smelling blood and playing ffor a playoff berth. Yes he was 5/18 (28%) with a pick 6. The guy he replaced was worse IMHO at 4/15 (27%) and his pick 6 was way more crucial to setting the stage for the rest of the game.

I wish instead of spending the rest of the week trashing Fyfe, people would step back and think that maybe, just maybe he might be OK Saturday at home, with a full week of practice, behind an O-Line that establishes a running game, with receivers that help him out, and with a gameplan that requires solid game management and not multiple deep balls on every series since OCDL thinks that is Ryker's "skillset".
 
Saying this for about the 1,000th time, but NU didn't "run the ball for 2.7 yards per carry" against Purdue last year. Designed running plays in that game produced about 5.5 yards per carry, but the ypc average sank to 2.7 because of multiple QB sacks, one of which was on a ball snapped way over Fyfe's head. Not sticking to a run-heavy game plan against Purdue last year was not out of necessity, it was just a stupid decision.

And the only "Fyfe-bashing" I've engaged in was in response to a nonsensical post on Saturday night stating how much better off the Huskers would have been with Fyfe as the long-term starter instead of Armstrong. I don't think most people here have any desire to bad-mouth Fyfe, but how else do you respond to something like that?
 
I'll be honest, if this is badmouthing or hating on Fyfe then so be it.

Tommy Armstrong is a career 54ish% passer, who makes repeated bad decisions and has cost the team a couple of games over the last few years. And he is so much better than Fyfe that 2 different coaching staffs have outright refused to use him other than emergency situations. So if you want to love on him then love away. I simply have no confidence he can win this team a game.
 
Saying this for about the 1,000th time, but NU didn't "run the ball for 2.7 yards per carry" against Purdue last year. Designed running plays in that game produced about 5.5 yards per carry, but the ypc average sank to 2.7 because of multiple QB sacks, one of which was on a ball snapped way over Fyfe's head. Not sticking to a run-heavy game plan against Purdue last year was not out of necessity, it was just a stupid decision.

And the only "Fyfe-bashing" I've engaged in was in response to a nonsensical post on Saturday night stating how much better off the Huskers would have been with Fyfe as the long-term starter instead of Armstrong. I don't think most people here have any desire to bad-mouth Fyfe, but how else do you respond to something like that?
I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the multiple posts that say if he plays, we lose, worst QB in 40 years, stuff like that. As far as YPC, it is what it is. You could caveat many statistics like incompletions due to bad throws vice drops; penalties due to mental lapses vice aggression; etc. Anyway, I agree, it was insane to bail in the running game in that game.
 
I just want to see everyone Darlington cause he looked like a real QB in the spring game, and he has good mobilty.

Am I missing something? Here is what I find for QB stats from the spring game:
PASSING
Tommy Armstrong 8-15-0 80
AJ Bush 4-12-0 35
Patrick O'Brien 6-10-1 59
Ryker Fyfe 15-21-0 127
 
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I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the multiple posts that say if he plays, we lose, worst QB in 40 years, stuff like that. As far as YPC, it is what it is. You could caveat many statistics like incompletions due to bad throws vice drops; penalties due to mental lapses vice aggression; etc. Anyway, I agree, it was insane to bail in the running game in that game.

It's not bashing Fyfe to predict a loss if he starts. It's a reasonable prediction based upon observation of our team.
 
I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the multiple posts that say if he plays, we lose, worst QB in 40 years, stuff like that. As far as YPC, it is what it is. You could caveat many statistics like incompletions due to bad throws vice drops; penalties due to mental lapses vice aggression; etc. Anyway, I agree, it was insane to bail in the running game in that game.
Once again, we see the false idea that we just abandoned the running game in that Purdue game last year for no apparent reason and started passing. Here's a good analysis of that game, posted on here before:

At the end of the first half, the score was 21-9 Purdue. 14 of Purdue's 21 points came off of turnovers, one fumble by Ryker Fyfe and an interception. There was also one other interception thrown in the first half. The first interception came on a 2nd and 11 play, after a false start penalty moved us back 5 yards, after a 4 yard rush on 1st down. Not really all that strange to be throwing the ball when you have 11 yards to go. The other interception came late in the half, when Nebraska got the ball with 1:19 left, so again, not all that strange to be throwing the ball there.

At the end of the first half, Nebraska had run the ball 19 times and thrown it 18 times, so clearly this idea that Nebraska abandoned the run early on and started slinging the ball all over the field is incorrect. Those 19 runs netted 55 yards, or a 2.9 yard average, so it's not as if the run game was hugely successful. I would also point out 4 of those 18 passes came on that drive that started at 1:19, when you are obviously going to be exclusively passing the ball; and another 5 by my count came on plays where 10 or more yards were needed for a 1st down, on 2nd or 3rd down, also situations where you are more likely to pass.

To be fair, on the net yards gained rushing, those are drug down significantly by Ryker Fyfe officially having negative 22 yards rushing that half. Most of that came from the fumble play, it officially went down as a negative 24 yard rush, which does skew the statistics a little. Take out his negative 22 yards and 4 rushes, and you have 15 rushes for 77 yards, and a much more respectable 5.1 yards per carry.

There is, however, another big factor that often seems to be overlooked. Of those 15 rushes for 77 yards, 10 for 56 of that came from Terrell Newby. He was by far the most successful running back for Nebraska that first half. 3 of the other 5 rushes were by Imani Cross, for 6 yards and a 2.0 ypc average. 1 of those was for 20 yards on a reverse by Brandon Reilly and another was for negative 5 yards on a reverse by DPE. Newby was easily the most successful RB going that game, and he got injured in the first half, and didn't play the rest of the game. In fact, his last play was a 22 yard run on the second play of Nebraska's first drive of the second quarter; and from then on, the running game went downhill. Prior to that play, other than reverses by Reilly and DPE and Fyfe's negative 24 yard "rush", the only other run play was a 3 yard run by Cross, who was probably spelling Newby after he ran the ball 3 times and caught a pass in a 6 play span.

It's pretty clear the gameplan was to run all over them with Terrell Newby, and early on it was working. Nebraska's first drive they went right down the field, with a number of runs from Newby, and if not for the hiccup of a 5 yard loss on a DPE reverse, may have scored a TD but instead settled for a field goal. Then on Nebraska's next drive, they were moving right down the field, methodical like the first drive which was 12 plays and took 5:34 off the clock. Newby had a number of runs again, and after 8 plays and just over 4 minutes, Nebraska had the ball at the Purdue 33 yard line. Then came the Ryker Fyfe fumble. There was only 23 seconds left in the quarter after that play, if not for that fumble, Nebraska probably continues the drive and scores. Two drives in the first quarter, both very successful with many runs by Newby. Nebraska's first drive of the second quarter they also scored their one TD of the first half, Newby had a big 22 yard run, and than didn't play the rest of the game.

The start of the second half, without Newby, Nebraska drove right down the field and scored a TD on a 8 play, 75 yard drive, which only consisted of one run play. Without Newby, you had Cross, who was good in situations but not quite a feature back; Ozigbo, who was a true freshman and had played sparingly up to that point; and Wilbon, who had his own issues that kept him from playing. From what I remember, Purdue was also stacking the box against the run, trying to force more throwing because of an inexperienced QB playing. Passing worked just fine early in the second half, and early on, it was the defense who didn't do their job. After scoring on the first drive, to make it a 21-16 game, Purdue turned right around and went on a 13 play, 80 yard drive and scored a TD to make it 28-16.

Then on Nebraska's next drive, after gaining 19 yards on the first two plays (one run, one pass) an incomplete pass on first down, and a dropped pass on second down, and an incomplete pass on 3rd down led to a punt. A great punt by Sam Foltz pinned Purdue fairly deep, at their own 16; but two plays later, Purdue scored on an 83 yard TD pass. Now it's just over 5 minutes left in the third quarter, and Nebraska is down by 3 scores, and their best running back for the game is out. Then on the very first play of the next drive, Fyfe throws an INT, and Purdue gets the ball, up by 3 scores, at Nebraska's 19 yard line. 5 plays later, Purdue scores another TD, and now it's 2:34 left in the 3rd quarter, and Nebraska is down by 4 scores.

From then on, Nebraska is obviously going to be mostly throwing the ball. All but one drive (not counting the last 2 play drive after recovering an onside kick) saw Nebraska score a TD, and that one that didn't was a first play interception again, which was returned to the Nebraska 6, and Purdue scored on the next play. At that point, Nebraska had closed to within 11 points with just over 6 minutes left in the game, and still plenty of opportunity to finish an amazing comeback, but still needing to score fairly quick with passing. That INT pretty much eliminated any chance of a comeback.

All of that was to say, the notion that Nebraska just went into that game, slinging the ball all over the field, is just plain wrong. There was an apparent plan to run the ball, and when the only back who the coaches had confidence could carry that workload was injured early on, and out of the game; the game plan had to be changed up.
 
Well, if he (Fyfe) does start, I hope the team and the fans in the stadium can give him and all the other players all the support they can muster, and I know they will. Nothing would make me happier than seeing the team get a victory, even by one point, and watching Fyfe walk to the locker room holding his head high. Maybe it's a longshot, but he and the rest of the team could use a boost in the worst way.
 
when the only back who the coaches had confidence could carry that workload was injured early on, and out of the game; the game plan had to be changed up.

Cross averaged 5 yards per carry in that game, even though his longest run of the day was for 9 yards. And 30 of NU's passing yards were on an extended handoff to Ozigbo, who seemed to know what to do with the ball once he got it. Of course, throwing Ozigbo into the lion's den against the nation's 110th-ranked rushing defense would have been a risky proposition indeed.

So, we really wanted to run the ball against one of the worst rushing defenses in the country, but once Newby got hurt, we just decided it would be futile so we stopped trying....Wow, where on Earth did I get the idea that a poor decision was made?
 
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Once again, we see the false idea that we just abandoned the running game in that Purdue game last year for no apparent reason and started passing. Here's a good analysis of that game, posted on here before:

At the end of the first half, the score was 21-9 Purdue. 14 of Purdue's 21 points came off of turnovers, one fumble by Ryker Fyfe and an interception. There was also one other interception thrown in the first half. The first interception came on a 2nd and 11 play, after a false start penalty moved us back 5 yards, after a 4 yard rush on 1st down. Not really all that strange to be throwing the ball when you have 11 yards to go. The other interception came late in the half, when Nebraska got the ball with 1:19 left, so again, not all that strange to be throwing the ball there.

At the end of the first half, Nebraska had run the ball 19 times and thrown it 18 times, so clearly this idea that Nebraska abandoned the run early on and started slinging the ball all over the field is incorrect. Those 19 runs netted 55 yards, or a 2.9 yard average, so it's not as if the run game was hugely successful. I would also point out 4 of those 18 passes came on that drive that started at 1:19, when you are obviously going to be exclusively passing the ball; and another 5 by my count came on plays where 10 or more yards were needed for a 1st down, on 2nd or 3rd down, also situations where you are more likely to pass.

To be fair, on the net yards gained rushing, those are drug down significantly by Ryker Fyfe officially having negative 22 yards rushing that half. Most of that came from the fumble play, it officially went down as a negative 24 yard rush, which does skew the statistics a little. Take out his negative 22 yards and 4 rushes, and you have 15 rushes for 77 yards, and a much more respectable 5.1 yards per carry.

There is, however, another big factor that often seems to be overlooked. Of those 15 rushes for 77 yards, 10 for 56 of that came from Terrell Newby. He was by far the most successful running back for Nebraska that first half. 3 of the other 5 rushes were by Imani Cross, for 6 yards and a 2.0 ypc average. 1 of those was for 20 yards on a reverse by Brandon Reilly and another was for negative 5 yards on a reverse by DPE. Newby was easily the most successful RB going that game, and he got injured in the first half, and didn't play the rest of the game. In fact, his last play was a 22 yard run on the second play of Nebraska's first drive of the second quarter; and from then on, the running game went downhill. Prior to that play, other than reverses by Reilly and DPE and Fyfe's negative 24 yard "rush", the only other run play was a 3 yard run by Cross, who was probably spelling Newby after he ran the ball 3 times and caught a pass in a 6 play span.

It's pretty clear the gameplan was to run all over them with Terrell Newby, and early on it was working. Nebraska's first drive they went right down the field, with a number of runs from Newby, and if not for the hiccup of a 5 yard loss on a DPE reverse, may have scored a TD but instead settled for a field goal. Then on Nebraska's next drive, they were moving right down the field, methodical like the first drive which was 12 plays and took 5:34 off the clock. Newby had a number of runs again, and after 8 plays and just over 4 minutes, Nebraska had the ball at the Purdue 33 yard line. Then came the Ryker Fyfe fumble. There was only 23 seconds left in the quarter after that play, if not for that fumble, Nebraska probably continues the drive and scores. Two drives in the first quarter, both very successful with many runs by Newby. Nebraska's first drive of the second quarter they also scored their one TD of the first half, Newby had a big 22 yard run, and than didn't play the rest of the game.

The start of the second half, without Newby, Nebraska drove right down the field and scored a TD on a 8 play, 75 yard drive, which only consisted of one run play. Without Newby, you had Cross, who was good in situations but not quite a feature back; Ozigbo, who was a true freshman and had played sparingly up to that point; and Wilbon, who had his own issues that kept him from playing. From what I remember, Purdue was also stacking the box against the run, trying to force more throwing because of an inexperienced QB playing. Passing worked just fine early in the second half, and early on, it was the defense who didn't do their job. After scoring on the first drive, to make it a 21-16 game, Purdue turned right around and went on a 13 play, 80 yard drive and scored a TD to make it 28-16.

Then on Nebraska's next drive, after gaining 19 yards on the first two plays (one run, one pass) an incomplete pass on first down, and a dropped pass on second down, and an incomplete pass on 3rd down led to a punt. A great punt by Sam Foltz pinned Purdue fairly deep, at their own 16; but two plays later, Purdue scored on an 83 yard TD pass. Now it's just over 5 minutes left in the third quarter, and Nebraska is down by 3 scores, and their best running back for the game is out. Then on the very first play of the next drive, Fyfe throws an INT, and Purdue gets the ball, up by 3 scores, at Nebraska's 19 yard line. 5 plays later, Purdue scores another TD, and now it's 2:34 left in the 3rd quarter, and Nebraska is down by 4 scores.

From then on, Nebraska is obviously going to be mostly throwing the ball. All but one drive (not counting the last 2 play drive after recovering an onside kick) saw Nebraska score a TD, and that one that didn't was a first play interception again, which was returned to the Nebraska 6, and Purdue scored on the next play. At that point, Nebraska had closed to within 11 points with just over 6 minutes left in the game, and still plenty of opportunity to finish an amazing comeback, but still needing to score fairly quick with passing. That INT pretty much eliminated any chance of a comeback.

All of that was to say, the notion that Nebraska just went into that game, slinging the ball all over the field, is just plain wrong. There was an apparent plan to run the ball, and when the only back who the coaches had confidence could carry that workload was injured early on, and out of the game; the game plan had to be changed up.
It was Purdue...they had like 2 wins in conference in the last 3 years. Doing all this work makes it look even worse not better
 
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Well once the "Running game just wasn't there - Purdue held us to 2.7 yards per carry!" lecture stopped holding any water, the narrative had to change. So now it's, "We were running the ball effectively, but how could that possibly have continued once Newby was injured???"
 
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Honestly, I haven't seen much RF bashing. Maybe I didn't open those threads. The guy is who he is. If we're thin at QB depth, that's on the staff.
 
Am I missing something? Here is what I find for QB stats from the spring game:
PASSING
Tommy Armstrong 8-15-0 80
AJ Bush 4-12-0 35
Patrick O'Brien 6-10-1 59
Ryker Fyfe 15-21-0 127

Damn..I work too much...you are exactly right.
 
Honestly, I haven't seen much RF bashing. Maybe I didn't open those threads. The guy is who he is. If we're thin at QB depth, that's on the staff.


Ya thanks to Bo Peelini staff.I believe we have had a Walk on at QB the past 3 or 4 years.
 
I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the multiple posts that say if he plays, we lose, worst QB in 40 years, stuff like that. As far as YPC, it is what it is. You could caveat many statistics like incompletions due to bad throws vice drops; penalties due to mental lapses vice aggression; etc. Anyway, I agree, it was insane to bail in the running game in that game.

"It is what it is"? Everyone's saying that now. You know what it means? You're screwed, and you shall remain screwed."

-St. Vincent
 
Shoot, having that Dakota guy would be a sweet backup, comparitivly speaking.

Yea, just what every juco transfer is looking for. A chance to come be the back up to a 2 year starter... I mean, I think are coaches can recruit, but not sure anyone is talking a Juco transfer QB (that's any good) in to that situation.
 
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Yea, just what every juco transfer is looking for. A chance to come be the back up to a 2 year starter... I mean, I think are coaches can recruit, but not sure anyone is talking a Juco transfer QB (that's any good) in to that situation.

You brought him up, not me.
I was just saying any JC guy that could "help"
 
Thanks!

Again...wasn't my suggestion but thanks for the reminder

Ohhhhhhh, well that changes everything.:rolleyes: My point remains, guys who transferring are looking for an opportunity to play. (A good opportunity) Transfering to a team who has a 2 or 3 year starter coming back is generally not considered a "good opportunity".
 
Ohhhhhhh, well that changes everything.:rolleyes: My point remains, guys who transferring are looking for an opportunity to play. (A good opportunity) Transfering to a team who has a 2 or 3 year starter coming back is generally not considered a "good opportunity".
Some...some are just looking for an offer or a better offer. Point is, taking zero is worse than taking one.

Unless they were 100% happy with Fyfe, which they very well could be
 
I think people need to step back and give RF a break. Last year for whatever reason our coaching staff decided to throw 48 times against one of the worst rushing defenses in D1. Ryker threw for 60% for 407 yards, the fifth highest single game passing effort in Nebraska history. I accidentally erased my game tape from last year, so can't review, but of the four INTs I remember one was a contest our receiver didn't win and one was decently on the money but tipped by our receiver. Another INT was a pass RF threw from his own endzone on a play that IMHO should have never been called. Maybe if NU could have run for better than 77 yards on 29 tries (2.7 carry) he would have never been called upon to throw it so much. I also remember the fumble credited to him was a horrible snap he tried to pick up, but should have fallen on. Oh, and BTW, our defense gave up 457 yards, let Purdue convert 2 of 3 fourth downs, and the team was flagged seven times. It was way too easy and way too lazy to crucify Fyfe for that game.

As far as last week, COME ON. He was inserted into a hostile environment, with no running game, a porous O-Line, a receiving corps with the dropsies,, and a fired up opponent smelling blood and playing ffor a playoff berth. Yes he was 5/18 (28%) with a pick 6. The guy he replaced was worse IMHO at 4/15 (27%) and his pick 6 was way more crucial to setting the stage for the rest of the game.

I wish instead of spending the rest of the week trashing Fyfe, people would step back and think that maybe, just maybe he might be OK Saturday at home, with a full week of practice, behind an O-Line that establishes a running game, with receivers that help him out, and with a gameplan that requires solid game management and not multiple deep balls on every series since OCDL thinks that is Ryker's "skillset".
Agree on all points focus on Tommy doing what is best for him and support the team and players.
 
I qualified any fife bashing with the, he hasn't had enough quality playing time disclaimer.
like NU qb's used to get in the third and fourth quarters when the game was pretty much over.
 
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I qualified any fife bashing with the, he hasn't had enough quality playing time disclaimer.
like NU qb's used to get in the third and fourth quarters when the game was pretty much over.
If and when we make it to the next level, one of the key signs will be getting up early on inferior teams so we can get the lower units some PT. I am soooo sick of NU playing down to the competition.
 
If and when we make it to the next level, one of the key signs will be getting up early on inferior teams so we can get the lower units some PT. I am soooo sick of NU playing down to the competition.
Im in 100% agreement. it like someone hypnotized the team to take the foot off the gas, any time we get up by 7 or more points.
 
Here is a ?, why would the Columbus release TA if he had a concussion which is a big time thing these days and then TA jogs all smiles up the sideline? All while we r getting our asses handed to us because our OC thinks Barney Fife is the next Joe Montana can someone explain this to me. Put the backup in a situation not to lose confidence, now that is a thought.
 
Here is a ?, why would the Columbus release TA if he had a concussion which is a big time thing these days and then TA jogs all smiles up the sideline? All while we r getting our asses handed to us because our OC thinks Barney Fife is the next Joe Montana can someone explain this to me. Put the backup in a situation not to lose confidence, now that is a thought.

Whatchya drinking tonight SPbObRT?
 
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