Tier 3 rights for Oklahoma

[PlanOUred]

This showed up on an OU board and it involved what might happen in 2025 when the grant of rights expires for the Big 12. I don't know the validity of this article, just posting something that might be of interest to Big 10 schools. I personally would hate to see it unless Texas came with OU or at least if the OU/TX rivalry could be maintained.

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...about-buying-Tier-3-rights-from-OU-119647264/

 

[Captain Nick]

I'd be happy if OU and KU eventually joined the BIG but the KU athletic department can't seem to keep from bumbling everything they touch lately.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I have a friend who is an important person in BiG TeN land and he knows everything that is going to happen. It is the most well-guarded secret in the world and he told me what would happen. It is amazing and jaw-dropping, but I cannot tell you who the schools are. After all is revealed, I will be back here to say that those were the teams that were talked about.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I'd be happy if OU and KU eventually joined the BIG but the KU athletic department can't seem to keep from bumbling everything they touch lately.

They got rid of Zenger. Expect a good AD this time around. The importance of this is not lost on them.

 

[kaz36]

They got rid of Zenger. Expect a good AD this time around. The importance of this is not lost on them.

KU hired Jeff Long.

 

[Captain Nick]

KU hired Jeff Long.

...sigh....
Get your **** together Kansas.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

haha I totally missed that one. Fundraising and facility upgrades are a huge priority for them right now and he is supposedly good at that.
Basketball runs itself and Football just needs to not be a complete disaster.

 

[Captain Nick]

1.5 million for the guy Arkansas fired? At this point, I would just ask Bill Self to line up his own replacement rather than have one of these clowns bungle it up.

 

[phoenix4nu]

1.5 million for the guy Arkansas fired? At this point, I would just ask Bill Self to line up his own replacement rather than have one of these clowns bungle it up.

Surprised they didn’t go after Eichorst.

 

[bshirt73]

Surprised they didn’t go after Eichorst.

Or Pedeyshine......

 

[Captain Nick]

Surprised they didn’t go after Eichorst.

KU really screwed the pooch there. I'm sure Eichorst would have had Self's replacement already chosen from an interview he once sat in on twenty years ago.

 

[redwine65]

colorado would be good in the big ten for Nebraska, but I don't see it happening unless denver is a lot of tv sets to cover the cost.

oklahoma and ku seem like a good fit. I don't think the big ten would go for texas, unless they became low matinance.

 

[TFrazier]

KU really screwed the pooch there. I'm sure Eichorst would have had Self's replacement already chosen from an interview he once sat in on twenty years ago.

Bill Self really could learn a thing or two from Bob Diaco.

 

[NikkiSixx]

What is unclear to me is, where does the quantity vs. quality break even point lie?

What's the value of having 4 more schools vs. 2 more?

There is a part of me that thinks, heck, go get KU, KState, OU, & Okie light too.

For sure not all of those schools bring the same amount to the table, but at some point quantity matters too if things move toward super conferences.

Maybe they add Iowa State and Texas too.

Personally, I think JD might jump at the chance to pull in some/most/all of the Big12 under his umbrella.

Imagine the B1G - a 24 team super conference..

It's also one way Nebraska could get back to playing it's traditional rivals.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

I have a friend who is an important person in BiG TeN land and he knows everything that is going to happen. It is the most well-guarded secret in the world and he told me what would happen. It is amazing and jaw-dropping, but I cannot tell you who the schools are. After all is revealed, I will be back here to say that those were the teams that were talked about.

The streak!

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Bill Self really could learn a thing or two from Bob Diaco.

Kinda like looks like that flamer on Will and Grace in that picture. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

The streak!

Ha! "Planning on having a great weekend!"

Wasn't that one of those dorky lines that poster would post?

 

[Bremser]

This showed up on an OU board and it involved what might happen in 2025 when the grant of rights expires for the Big 12. I don't know the validity of this article, just posting something that might be of interest to Big 10 schools. I personally would hate to see it unless Texas came with OU or at least if the OU/TX rivalry could be maintained.

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...about-buying-Tier-3-rights-from-OU-119647264/

If Texas University became part of any conference we are in, I’d probably go burn something down.

 

[Cornicator]

I will write this same paragraph everytime someone mentions a desire to see KU in the Big Ten:

The Kansas Legislature will have the final say on KU leaving for any other conference. Both houses of the Kansas Legislature are controlled by Western Kansas AG/Energy Conservatives. These folks are KState alums. They will never allow KU to abandon K-State. The rivalry factor can be overcome, but it would mean the demise of the Big 12 and KState could potentially find themselves outside the Power 5.

If OU, Texas, and KU left the Big 12, the remaining teams of Okie State, Texas Tech, KState, Baylor, TCU, and WVU would lack the necessary TV cache to expand further and make the conference a valuable commodity. Who could they add? Colorado State? Memphis? Maybe Central or South Florida?

KU won't be allowed to go anywhere without their redneck cousins from the West.

However, let's be honest here. Nobody wants KU right now anyway. Their football program is a joke.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I will write this same paragraph everytime someone mentions a desire to see KU in the Big Ten:

The Kansas Legislature will have the final say on KU leaving for any other conference. Both houses of the Kansas Legislature are controlled by Western Kansas AG/Energy Conservatives. These folks are KState alums. They will never allow KU to abandon K-State. The rivalry factor can be overcome, but it would mean the demise of the Big 12 and KState could potentially find themselves outside the Power 5.

If OU, Texas, and KU left the Big 12, the remaining teams of Okie State, Texas Tech, KState, Baylor, TCU, and WVU would lack the necessary TV cache to expand further and make the conference a valuable commodity. Who could they add? Colorado State? Memphis? Maybe Central or South Florida?

KU won't be allowed to go anywhere without their redneck cousins from the West.

However, let's be honest here. Nobody wants KU right now anyway. Their football program is a joke.

While this may be true, I can't imagine a State Legislature that wouldn't want to look into such a big revenue increase. Most states are pretty broke, so anything that could reduce the state's University budget would probably be welcome. Something to consider anyways.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I will write this same paragraph everytime someone mentions a desire to see KU in the Big Ten:

The Kansas Legislature will have the final say on KU leaving for any other conference. Both houses of the Kansas Legislature are controlled by Western Kansas AG/Energy Conservatives. These folks are KState alums. They will never allow KU to abandon K-State. The rivalry factor can be overcome, but it would mean the demise of the Big 12 and KState could potentially find themselves outside the Power 5.

If OU, Texas, and KU left the Big 12, the remaining teams of Okie State, Texas Tech, KState, Baylor, TCU, and WVU would lack the necessary TV cache to expand further and make the conference a valuable commodity. Who could they add? Colorado State? Memphis? Maybe Central or South Florida?

KU won't be allowed to go anywhere without their redneck cousins from the West.

However, let's be honest here. Nobody wants KU right now anyway. Their football program is a joke.

You write it everytime.
And you are wrong everytime.

 

[huskerfan66]

I will write this same paragraph everytime someone mentions a desire to see KU in the Big Ten:

The Kansas Legislature will have the final say on KU leaving for any other conference. Both houses of the Kansas Legislature are controlled by Western Kansas AG/Energy Conservatives. These folks are KState alums. They will never allow KU to abandon K-State. The rivalry factor can be overcome, but it would mean the demise of the Big 12 and KState could potentially find themselves outside the Power 5.

If OU, Texas, and KU left the Big 12, the remaining teams of Okie State, Texas Tech, KState, Baylor, TCU, and WVU would lack the necessary TV cache to expand further and make the conference a valuable commodity. Who could they add? Colorado State? Memphis? Maybe Central or South Florida?

KU won't be allowed to go anywhere without their redneck cousins from the West.

However, let's be honest here. Nobody wants KU right now anyway. Their football program is a joke.

If true, then pass on KU.

 

[huskerfan66]

While this may be true, I can't imagine a State Legislature that wouldn't want to look into such a big revenue increase. Most states are pretty broke, so anything that could reduce the state's University budget would probably be welcome. Something to consider anyways.

Who knows. If cornicator is right, and there's been the same rumors of something similar to this in Oklahoma, might be interesting if legislator is loaded with alumni from the institution that would appear to be getting left out in the cold.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Man I miss the big 12 in terms of rivalries and gameplay. Many think T.O walks on water but the decision to go east was a little reactionary to Texas being so good. Texas has hit rock bottom and the league has struggled a bit but the talent is still there and we miss out on a huge chunk of talent because we are in the big 10. On top of that we got the shaft in terms of dollars and scheduling for what seems like forever and have been rolled regularly by the best teams in the big 10. Our only rivalry is fricken iowa, which is pathetic, back in the big 12 days playing kst, missouri, colorado even kansas and iowa state had a bit of extra energy to it. Think about our product in 2010, the energy of the games against kst..texas, missouri, A@M...some of those games were brutal...versus the flacid nature of our football now. Some was coaching, but some is the fact we basically started our program over with the move.

 

[bomber89]

Here is my list of things I miss in the big 12.

 

[Big Bluestem]

I'm trapped on the wrong side of the river and must therefore walk amongst the Herkies - the scoff at any worth to Kansas and especially Iowa State, but grudgingly accept that Texas and perhaps Oklahoma might have value.

You would also be surprised at how little stock they put in Frost.

 

[saluno22]

So the thread is 26 posts long as I type this and I just now bothered to read the OP link.

Interesting strategy that isn't discussed in the thread so far: Fox Sports and BTN together are discussing buying the rights to OU's Tier 3 distribution. The proposal would put Tier 3 sports on FS2 and available online via BTN2GO for the period between 01 July 2022 (when OU's current Tier 3 deal ends) and 30 June 2025 (when the Big 12 Grant of Rights ends).

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Man I miss the big 12 in terms of rivalries and gameplay. Many think T.O walks on water but the decision to go east was a little reactionary to Texas being so good. Texas has hit rock bottom and the league has struggled a bit but the talent is still there and we miss out on a huge chunk of talent because we are in the big 10. On top of that we got the shaft in terms of dollars and scheduling for what seems like forever and have been rolled regularly by the best teams in the big 10. Our only rivalry is fricken iowa, which is pathetic, back in the big 12 days playing kst, missouri, colorado even kansas and iowa state had a bit of extra energy to it. Think about our product in 2010, the energy of the games against kst..texas, missouri, A@M...some of those games were brutal...versus the flacid nature of our football now. Some was coaching, but some is the fact we basically started our program over with the move.

I am with you. I LOVE how everyone of us made fun of how lame the Big Ten was BEFORE NU joined...now we act like it is awesome. The bottom line for us fans is this...is your traveling impacted in a negative way since joining the Big Ten, for most of us, it is a HUGE yes.

I get they make more money but us fans only pretend to care about that. If they were making more money and say...giving it to us fans, then I would care.

 

[saluno22]

I am with you. I LOVE how everyone of us made fun of how lame the Big Ten was BEFORE NU joined...now we act like it is awesome. The bottom line for us fans is this...is your traveling impacted in a negative way since joining the Big Ten, for most of us, it is a HUGE yes.

I get they make more money but us fans only pretend to care about that. If they were making more money and say...giving it to us fans, then I would care.

To add to this, keep in mind that the way they are earning more money is by fans buying subscriptions from BTN, whether for just streaming access or higher rates for cable packages that include BTN.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Who knows. If cornicator is right, and there's been the same rumors of something similar to this in Oklahoma, might be interesting if legislator is loaded with alumni from the institution that would appear to be getting left out in the cold.

Oh, I think Oklahoma has something similar regarding separation of the two Universities conference wise.

Regardless of alumni associations and alma maters, I have yet to see a government (federal, state, or local) that wasn't interested in cashing in when opportunities presented themselves. :/

 

[Quix0te]

Another interesting tidbit - OU and UT refuse to extend the B12 GOR past 2025.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

 

[huskerfan66]

Oh, I think Oklahoma has something similar regarding separation of the two Universities conference wise.

Regardless of alumni associations and alma maters, I have yet to see a government (federal, state, or local) that wasn't interested in cashing in when opportunities presented themselves. :/

I would tend to agree.

 

[RedCap]

I will write this same paragraph everytime someone mentions a desire to see KU in the Big Ten:

The Kansas Legislature will have the final say on KU leaving for any other conference. Both houses of the Kansas Legislature are controlled by Western Kansas AG/Energy Conservatives. These folks are KState alums. They will never allow KU to abandon K-State. The rivalry factor can be overcome, but it would mean the demise of the Big 12 and KState could potentially find themselves outside the Power 5.

If OU, Texas, and KU left the Big 12, the remaining teams of Okie State, Texas Tech, KState, Baylor, TCU, and WVU would lack the necessary TV cache to expand further and make the conference a valuable commodity. Who could they add? Colorado State? Memphis? Maybe Central or South Florida?

KU won't be allowed to go anywhere without their redneck cousins from the West.

However, let's be honest here. Nobody wants KU right now anyway. Their football program is a joke.

As far as I'm concerned both Kansas schools can STAY OUT of the B1G - no desire for either of them. But I do remember that the Texas legislature would "never" allow Texas and Texas A&M to be in separate conferences either.

I'm only interested in Oklahoma and Texas coming to the B1G from the Big 12. Although Texas obviously was a huge pain in the ass, they couldn't get away with those things in the B1G with Michigan and Ohio State as a counter balance. And they bring a lot of money, TV eyeballs and recruiting opportunities.

 

[xrugger]

Without further vacant speculation about particular teams, I like the concept of a BIG with two 8 (or even 9) team divisions with no inter-divisional meetings until the conference championship.

 

[CDMXHusker]

Man I miss the big 12 in terms of rivalries and gameplay. Many think T.O walks on water but the decision to go east was a little reactionary to Texas being so good. Texas has hit rock bottom and the league has struggled a bit but the talent is still there and we miss out on a huge chunk of talent because we are in the big 10. On top of that we got the shaft in terms of dollars and scheduling for what seems like forever and have been rolled regularly by the best teams in the big 10. Our only rivalry is fricken iowa, which is pathetic, back in the big 12 days playing kst, missouri, colorado even kansas and iowa state had a bit of extra energy to it. Think about our product in 2010, the energy of the games against kst..texas, missouri, A@M...some of those games were brutal...versus the flacid nature of our football now. Some was coaching, but some is the fact we basically started our program over with the move.

Had nothing to do with Texas being good...

 

[huskerfan1414]

I get that the games in the big dont feel as meaningful (when not playing osu or mich etc.) but i believe if we get better our series with wisky can be phenomenal.
The big 12 was not stable when we chose to leave and the big 10 will literally always be successful. we are in the most stable conference in cfb in my opinion.
Now I do hate some things about the big ten and i think delaney out smarted himself a few times but texas beating us had nothing to do with it. In fact I would say not getting another shot to beat texas was one of the biggest negatives against the move. But texass was an ass and had way too much power.
If we bring texass in, i would be pissed. Those saying they wouldnt be able to get away with shit dont know shit.
Oklahoma would be ideal. But i dont think it will happen. I think the new tv deals will come and go with no changes because everyone is expecting changes.

 

[z28craz]

I will write this same paragraph everytime someone mentions a desire to see KU in the Big Ten:

The Kansas Legislature will have the final say on KU leaving for any other conference. Both houses of the Kansas Legislature are controlled by Western Kansas AG/Energy Conservatives. These folks are KState alums. They will never allow KU to abandon K-State. The rivalry factor can be overcome, but it would mean the demise of the Big 12 and KState could potentially find themselves outside the Power 5.

If OU, Texas, and KU left the Big 12, the remaining teams of Okie State, Texas Tech, KState, Baylor, TCU, and WVU would lack the necessary TV cache to expand further and make the conference a valuable commodity. Who could they add? Colorado State? Memphis? Maybe Central or South Florida?

KU won't be allowed to go anywhere without their redneck cousins from the West.

However, let's be honest here. Nobody wants KU right now anyway. Their football program is a joke.

I live in Olathe, and have regular contact with the Johnson County delegation within the Legislature. I have never once heard mention of what would take place if KU were to receive an offer to the BIG. Frankly, Kansas has had so many budget and education issues over the past 6 years that it’s pretty small potatoes and not even on the radar. I think the average fan of KU/KSU thinks the Big 12 will continue on. Perhaps it will, but long term the P5 will likely become th3 P4 and most average Kansas fan can’t comprehend such a world.

Three or four years ago I would have strongly agreed with your statement, but not so much anymore. The landscape of College Football and College Athletics in general has changed so much since we left the Big 12 and joined the Big Ten that I really don’t think politics will be able to trump the money involved at this point. I do think it will be a battle. As much as the western Ag conservatives control the legislature, the East side of the state which is the real driver of the Kansas economy and it’s huge KU population will not go quietly into the night. The reality is, IF this scenario were to play out and KU were offered a place in the BIG it would be an ultimatum, take or leave it proposal. The BIG would go after KU and the legislature would have to decide to either cut KU loose and take what they can get for KSU, or they cut both schools out of the P5 for good, which would ultimately negatively impact future enrollment and potentially overall academic standings.

The reality is the state of Kansas needs Power Conference money more than a Power Conference needs a Kansas school. The only reason KU is even being considered is because of their BB program. Outside of that outlier neither school brings any real value to any Power Conference. KSU is on the map only because of Bill Snyder. And as much as we NU fans may hate to admit it, much like Delaney and Osborn, Snyder developed a system that works for KSU. The problem is finding someone to replicate it and then modernize it, which has, presumably, taken us 20 years. When Snyder steps away (or dies in place) from KSU the replacement will be questionable at best. The reality is, if OU, Texas or both exit the Big 12, that Conference implodes. The state of Kansas is in no position to negotiate should the BIG come knocking on KU’s door. The BIG won’t wait around for a bunch of whimsical politicians. Then can, should and will move on to better prospects if it comes down to politics.

 

[Captain Nick]

I live in Olathe, and have regular contact with the Johnson County delegation within the Legislature. I have never once heard mention of what would take place if KU were to receive an offer to the BIG. Frankly, Kansas has had so many budget and education issues over the past 6 years that it’s pretty small potatoes and not even on the radar. I think the average fan of KU/KSU thinks the Big 12 will continue on. Perhaps it will, but long term the P5 will likely become th3 P4 and most average Kansas fan can’t comprehend such a world.

Three or four years ago I would have strongly agreed with your statement, but not so much anymore. The landscape of College Football and College Athletics in general has changed so much since we left the Big 12 and joined the Big Ten that I really don’t think politics will be able to trump the money involved at this point. I do think it will be a battle. As much as the western Ag conservatives control the legislature, the East side of the state which is the real driver of the Kansas economy and it’s huge KU population will not go quietly into the night. The reality is, IF this scenario were to play out and KU were offered a place in the BIG it would be an ultimatum, take or leave it proposal. The BIG would go after KU and the legislature would have to decide to either cut KU loose and take what they can get for KSU, or they cut both schools out of the P5 for good, which would ultimately negatively impact future enrollment and potentially overall academic standings.

The reality is the state of Kansas needs Power Conference money more than a Power Conference needs a Kansas school. The only reason KU is even being considered is because of their BB program. Outside of that outlier neither school brings any real value to any Power Conference. KSU is on the map only because of Bill Snyder. And as much as we NU fans may hate to admit it, much like Delaney and Osborn, Snyder developed a system that works for KSU. The problem is finding someone to replicate it and then modernize it, which has, presumably, taken us 20 years. When Snyder steps away (or dies in place) from KSU the replacement will be questionable at best. The reality is, if OU, Texas or both exit the Big 12, that Conference implodes. The state of Kansas is in no position to negotiate should the BIG come knocking on KU’s door. The BIG won’t wait around for a bunch of whimsical politicians. Then can, should and will move on to better prospects if it comes down to politics.

I would say this is pretty spot on.

My take just from perusing their boards over the years is that the avg. KState fan seem to understand their fate lies in the Big12 staying together or they're off to mid major. KU fans on the other hand seem to overestimate their clout alittle bit but understand their athletic department is a mess. I don't remember the last time I saw anyone mention state politics being an issue.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Had nothing to do with Texas being good...

Of course it did...they were able to orchestrate so much of the big 12 because they were great at the time...remember the longhorn network was coming out, they were dominating the rivalries in the league. 8/11 big 12 championships were played in Texas... so you go undefeated and have to then go and play a road game against the best the team in south. It is no coincidence that we only had two great seasons once the big 12 formed. There isn't a worse thing to do to a coach in a vulnerable part of his career than to switch conferences. And I hate BO, but Bo hit the pinnacle his last year in the big 12. His recruiting connections and talent were all related to the big 12, then bam...he starts having bad classes as he has no real connections to limited talent in the east. The extra revenue is great but still left us barely in the top 25 for the country in revenue, and we were extremely thrifty. While most big 10 teams spend 95-99% of their revenue, Nebraska spent well less than 90%, saving it for...the real danger is in the legacy of nebraska. As a child grows up and watches games with dad where are is energy and passion going to come from, they are going to watch us dvr a game against indiana, or turn off a game against Ohio state at half time, or play great against michigan and then not play michigan again for 4 years. It was a move made for money, but T.O should know that making money without winning doesn't equate to winning.

 

[Captain Nick]

Of course it did...they were able to orchestrate so much of the big 12 because they were great at the time...remember the longhorn network was coming out, they were dominating the rivalries in the league. 8/11 big 12 championships were played in Texas... so you go undefeated and have to then go and play a road game against the best the team in south. It is no coincidence that we only had two great seasons once the big 12 formed. There isn't a worse thing to do to a coach in a vulnerable part of his career than to switch conferences. And I hate BO, but Bo hit the pinnacle his last year in the big 12. His recruiting connections and talent were all related to the big 12, then bam...he starts having bad classes as he has no real connections to limited talent in the east. The extra revenue is great but still left us barely in the top 25 for the country in revenue, and we were extremely thrifty. While most big 10 teams spend 95-99% of their revenue, Nebraska spent well less than 90%, saving it for...the real danger is in the legacy of nebraska. As a child grows up and watches games with dad where are is energy and passion going to come from, they are going to watch us dvr a game against indiana, or turn off a game against Ohio state at half time, or play great against michigan and then not play michigan again for 4 years. It was a move made for money, but T.O should know that making money without winning doesn't equate to winning.

Dude, I really have no desire to relitigate the past again or point out all your falsehoods but what planet exactly where you on between 1996 and 2010?