I have seen no discussion on whether the hit was late. I have seen much less flagged for a late hit when talking about QB's.
Thoughts on Tommy's hit
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Not a late hit from my viewpoint. While Tommy was still in play, the defender left his feet to bring Tommy down. We slowed it down last night and stopped it on first contact, Tommy's foot was in-bounds.
Clean play.
Clean play.
Come on really not a late hit.So sorry about Armstrong but dont think he was the difference
They were down 24-3. He was hit in bounds and fell on his own head.
Obviously he wasn't the difference, but it did make a big difference. With Tommy we would have been down 24-10 at half instead of 31-3 for instance. TA'a injury was devistating.
To answer OP's question, not a late hit, just a tough fall.
He launched while tommy was still in bounds, but obviously veering out of bounds . Contact made out of bounds. By the letter of the law, a judgment call. In reality, a crappy play that was borderline dirty (qb running out of bounds) . Agree with OP, I'm surprised more hasn't been said given how little it takes to get flagged in modern football. There is a reason Urban is universally despised--loved seeing him keep Barrett in the game throwing all over the place with his team up 45 in the 3rd Q after his player knocked out our starter---stay classy Meyer.
this is a major step back when the fanbase of a blue blood program starts whining about another team running up the score on them
It wouldn't have been the first time a hit like that on a QB was flagged, in fact more often than not in today's protect the QB environment
First of all, has Armstrong ever ran toward the sideline, only to then turn it up field and pick up additional yardage or even a TD? Of course he has. What is a safety supposed to do, but insure the runner is forced out of bounds so no additional yards are gained. That is exactly what safety Malik Hooker did and most safeties do in every game. Second point, first contact is the officials guideline for a late hit OOB. Watch the play again and you will see that contact is made inbounds. Discussion over. Sorry Armstrong got concussed, but Hooker did not try to do that. It was a joy to see Tommy return to the stadium, running to his team's bench.
Wrong, contact wasn't made yet, he makes contact at his legs, when he's out. His shoulder/head isn't low enough in this pic.Wrong...
I had no problem with the hit on Tommy, that's football. And I was actually surprised Meyer called off the dogs when he did. I had no problem with him showing the country they were a dominate team and getting his QB some more passing work up to the 4th quarter. He wants to make the playoffs. OSU made a nice tribute to SF before the game and even had their fans in one section hold up cards with "SF". I also saw their players helping ours up occasionally. I will have to wait to hear from a couple people I know who went to the game about their treatment, but my overall impression was the sportsmanship was good. I think people wanting to hate on Meyer are letting bitterness creep into their perspective.
Are you saying TA has s history of faking running out of bounds then turning upfield?
If so, you are completely wrong. If NU Had taken Barrett out with that hit you would be singing s different tune.
It was a clean hit. I more worried about Tommy than I am the hit or the outcome. I've moved on from that.
Again, st best a judgment call, but your photo doesn't prove anything. The defender hasn't made contact yet. And it clearly shows tommy going out of bounds on his own.....Wrong...
There are two issues: the biggest is NU being in a wasteland for 15 years and making terrible decisions concerning the football program. The second is a minor, but truthful statement that Meyer is extremely disliked, and it has nothing to do with his W/L percentage.
I don't know about you guys but I hate Meyer so much that I wish he was our coach...just so I could hate on him from a closer vantage point!
99 times out of a hundred, players that get hit on the leg and then fly out of bounds in that way really don't get hurt badly, if at all. But the way Tommy landed was a bit of a freak occurrence, I can't remember a player getting hit like that and getting knocked out cold. Just my opinion, I thought the hit was clean and in bounds, and because the Ohio State player came in low and hit his leg, the refs saw fit not to throw a flag, and I don't think one was necessary.
One thing that was mentioned by Herbstreit (I think) during the broadcast was Tommy was carrying the ball in his field arm rather than his boundary arm. A fundamentals you're taught when first playing football (at least by the coaches I had) is to carry the ball in the arm toward the sideline so that if you fumble, it's more likely to go out of bounds rather than being in play for a potential turnover. In this case, had he been carrying it in his left arm, he would have been better able to brace himself rather than going head first into the ground.
At first I thought he had injured his hip or leg landing on the kicking net and didn't see his head hit the ground first.
Iffy call to keep your flag in your pocket given the protection of QBs these days and would not be surprised if a flag was thrown, but I didn't think it warranted a penalty.
Iffy call to keep your flag in your pocket given the protection of QBs these days and would not be surprised if a flag was thrown, but I didn't think it warranted a penalty.
The diving at the legs forced him out of bounds. That's what you want to do instead of letting a player like Armstrong turn it up down the sideline.
Oh, completely agree. The offending team on a penalty for that would have every right to be upset with the flag and I wouldn't disagree with them. In the gray area of judgment calls like that, I agree with keeping the flag in your pocket.
That seems pretty clear that the initial contact occurred in bounds, or at best, it was inconclusive.
The Buckeye player left his feet while Armstrong was still in bounds with room to turn up field. Seeing the Buckeye player TA did turn towards the sideline to avoid the hit but he got the trip up and landed in the unfortunate body position. Like everyone I'm glad he seems ok. Probably didn't change the outcome but probably did change the final score.
Meyer was hardly running up the score. Sure he had Barrett throwing in the third quarter, because it was the third quarter. It's also a part of the game that they are still working on improving. It's not Meyer's fault that his second/third stringers drove 90+ yards throwing or that Hooker returned an interception for a TD. The latter being the only TD scored in the fourth quarter.
Anyway, good-luck the rest of the season. You never know, you still have a shot at the Conf. Championship.
Meyer was hardly running up the score. Sure he had Barrett throwing in the third quarter, because it was the third quarter. It's also a part of the game that they are still working on improving. It's not Meyer's fault that his second/third stringers drove 90+ yards throwing or that Hooker returned an interception for a TD. The latter being the only TD scored in the fourth quarter.
Anyway, good-luck the rest of the season. You never know, you still have a shot at the Conf. Championship.
You guys think OSU loved him when he beat us at Fla.Ohio boy coached here , best is still yet to come ,this team is loaded ,and his class next year is being talked about could be the best to ever come to OSU.I don't know about you guys but I hate Meyer so much that I wish he was our coach...just so I could hate on him from a closer vantage point!
I think the hit was close. I do think the initial contact came in bounds. I also think these days it wouldn't have been shocking if it drew a flag since he did launch himself when Armstrong was heading out of bounds and most officials are overacting to anything involving QBs these days.
If the situation was reversed, I would likely be grouchy too. We saw a few very questionable hits on OSU players at PSU along the sideline.
Also, comparing the PI on NU's drive that resulted in the Huskers FG, that grab of the arm was nearly identical to one that wasn't called near the end of the game at PSU. Westerkamp also clearly pushed off. However, I suspect there was some PI or at least defensive holding prior to what we saw on TV. But based on what was we saw, that could have gone either way.
On one play where an OSU DB made a clean play to break up a down-field pass, there was a clear facemask on the DB after the ball was knocked away. That should have been an NU first down. On the play where the OSU freshman WR didn't gain control of the ball until he was out of the end zone there was a facemask that should have resulted in a PI.
The frustration over calls comes from the inconsistency of calls both in the games and from week to week. I totally get anyone's frustration over calls, or lack of especially when it results in a player being knocked out of a game.
I hope you guys win out.
If the situation was reversed, I would likely be grouchy too. We saw a few very questionable hits on OSU players at PSU along the sideline.
Also, comparing the PI on NU's drive that resulted in the Huskers FG, that grab of the arm was nearly identical to one that wasn't called near the end of the game at PSU. Westerkamp also clearly pushed off. However, I suspect there was some PI or at least defensive holding prior to what we saw on TV. But based on what was we saw, that could have gone either way.
On one play where an OSU DB made a clean play to break up a down-field pass, there was a clear facemask on the DB after the ball was knocked away. That should have been an NU first down. On the play where the OSU freshman WR didn't gain control of the ball until he was out of the end zone there was a facemask that should have resulted in a PI.
The frustration over calls comes from the inconsistency of calls both in the games and from week to week. I totally get anyone's frustration over calls, or lack of especially when it results in a player being knocked out of a game.
I hope you guys win out.
Well spoken, appreciate your thoughts here. Very objective, which I appreciate.
