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In no particular order of finish TOP four

  • Wisconsin - Good lord you would think these guys are loaded the way the pundits talk - sorry I am not buying it this year. They have DC who has been in coaching for two years and this is second year how does that happen ?? and it will cost them. Yes their schedule is better but I see us beating them this year. If we had a defense who could step up in the 4th quarter the last two years we would have won the last two years against them
  • Iowa - again no QB how many times have we seen this? They are a 5 loss team
  • Northwestern - Will be decent not as good as advertised plus we get them at home they will enter our game with 3 losses in conference
  • Nebraska - I have been following the team for many years - I think anyone who knows this program knows this year feels a bit different than previous years. I think the change is defensive. Good defense is about playing with intensity and fire, I believe we see that this year. I also believe this year we see a defense who causes turnovers which has been a rarity since 2001 and we have not seen it since 2009 or maybe 2010. I think we see that this year. I believe we have the best talent in the west and it has been coaching holding us back, I think we see it become evident this year that we have are the ones starting to separate from the West not Wisconsin
 
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Your assessment is spot on. When compared to these other teams we are far more talented and have been. The defensive side of the board has held us back for years. People talk about coordinators needing time for adjustment. That's bologna. We see quick turnarounds all the time in college football. For example if Diaco can't take better talent and be better than this DC then something is seriously wrong. He has coached for ONE year in his whole life!

What were they thinking?

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P.S. Diaco is a perfect hire. He has a decent resume but if he works out he has nowhere to go. He has already shown he is not head coach material plus they would always worry about him blowing a gasket as a head guy. He's stuck with us.
 
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This hire by Wisconsin reeks of both desperation and also too much ego

Desperation - because they cannot keep coaches there and are tired of hiring news ones each year

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Ego - because they think they can put anyone in there and he will do fine because of their culture? - I scan see this one a bit but a second year DC is going to be too much to overcome
 
fwiw. Iowa's "no qb" was hurt all last year. The injury happened during the NDSU game which is where our guy this year (Stanley) lost his redshirt, lead a good drive, and is the reason we wanted to see more of him when we went up comfortably on teams. Our "no qb" was the same guy who lead IOWA to 12-0 regular season and is now pushing to be the starter for the 9ers. The "no qb" before him made the lions as the backup again. Its early in the season and you guys do have a ton of talent that's a fact. I agree that Wiscy is living off the fat of the staff they had 4 years ago and this year will be the year it starts to show, especially with them losing 2 important guys already on defense. Everyone feels good about their team and is excited for the start of the season, it will be interesting to see how nebby transitions to the 3-4 and if 8-4 or 7-5ish for the next couple years keeps the fans happy until you get to the cakewalk that is the '19 schedule.



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Iwillnotpostdrunk.... said:
fwiw. Iowa's "no qb" was hurt all last year. The injury happened during the NDSU game which is where our guy this year (Stanley) lost his redshirt, lead a good drive, and is the reason we wanted to see more of him when we went up comfortably on teams. Our "no qb" was the same guy who lead IOWA to 12-0 regular season and is now pushing to be the starter for the 9ers. The "no qb" before him made the lions as the backup again. Its early in the season and you guys do have a ton of talent that's a fact. I agree that Wiscy is living off the fat of the staff they had 4 years ago and this year will be the year it starts to show, especially with them losing 2 important guys already on defense. Everyone feels good about their team and is excited for the start of the season, it will be interesting to see how nebby transitions to the 3-4 and if 8-4 or 7-5ish for the next couple years keeps the fans happy until you get to the cakewalk that is the '19 schedule.



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Yeah I'm not speaking for OP but if Tanner Lee can be as good as Beathard I'd say Nebraska has a great shot at winning the West.
 
Iwillnotpostdrunk.... said:
fwiw. Iowa's "no qb" was hurt all last year. The injury happened during the NDSU game which is where our guy this year (Stanley) lost his redshirt, lead a good drive, and is the reason we wanted to see more of him when we went up comfortably on teams. Our "no qb" was the same guy who lead IOWA to 12-0 regular season and is now pushing to be the starter for the 9ers. The "no qb" before him made the lions as the backup again. Its early in the season and you guys do have a ton of talent that's a fact. I agree that Wiscy is living off the fat of the staff they had 4 years ago and this year will be the year it starts to show, especially with them losing 2 important guys already on defense. Everyone feels good about their team and is excited for the start of the season, it will be interesting to see how nebby transitions to the 3-4 and if 8-4 or 7-5ish for the next couple years keeps the fans happy until you get to the cakewalk that is the '19 schedule.



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Didnt you guys lose to NDSU last year? - Beathard was good QB and was the exception to the Iowa sucks at QB rule - and if you going to come here and post I would suggest losing the Nebby thing - if you want to trash talk go to your own board instead of lurking here
 
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I do think we get Wisconsin this year. We have been so close the last two years and I think we get over the hump this year. I hope they are undefeated when the come to Lincoln. The bad news is we can beat Wisconsin head to head and still loose the division to them, as they have a much easier schedule.
 
I did not the Badger DC was on the Papuchis coaching track. They have had some injuries as well, but have Jrs. and Srs. across the top line of the D depth chart.
 
SnohomishRed said:
In no particular order of finish TOP four

  • Wisconsin - Good lord you would think these guys are loaded the way the pundits talk - sorry I am not buying it this year. They have DC who has been in coaching for two years and this is second year how does that happen ?? and it will cost them. Yes their schedule is better but I see us beating them this year. If we had a defense who could step up in the 4th quarter the last two years we would have won the last two years against them
  • Iowa - again no QB how many times have we seen this? They are a 5 loss team
  • Northwestern - Will be decent not as good as advertised plus we get them at home they will enter our game with 3 losses in conference
  • Nebraska - I have been following the team for many years - I think anyone who knows this program knows this year feels a bit different than previous years. I think the change is defensive. Good defense is about playing with intensity and fire, I believe we see that this year. I also believe this year we see a defense who causes turnovers which has been a rarity since 2001 and we have not seen it since 2009 or maybe 2010. I think we see that this year. I believe we have the best talent in the west and it has been coaching holding us back, I think we see it become evident this year that we have are the ones starting to separate from the West not Wisconsin
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Great analysis. I agree with all of it.
 
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Didnt you guys lose to NDSU last year? - Beathard was good QB and was the exception to the Iowa sucks at QB rule - and if you going to come here and post I would suggest losing the Nebby thing - if you want to trash talk go to your own board instead of lurking here
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Again the guy before him got drafted and still is in the league, the guy before him (Vandenburg) signed with the Vikings and is the most "fail" in recent memory. Before him it was Rick who was paid in the NFL from 2011 until 2016 and is now up in Canada. Jake Christiansen was before that and didn't do anything but didn't end up graduating from IOWA and before him it was Drew Tate who got a look in the NFL but went on to be a really good qb in Canada. Admittidly we are not "QB U" but to say that "sucks" is fake news.
 
Bill Callahan 2.0 I agree that if Lee plays like 2015 beathard you will win the west. I also think that if the qb from wiscy, neb, iowa, or NW makes the plays 2015 Beathard made that team will win the west.
 
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You still have to win the games. I agree that it does seem different this year, and we have talent, but talk is talk. Win the games. We've heard the same thing about Wisconsin a lot, but they win. You can go after Iowa a ton the last few years, but they have won. I'm excited and have a ton of Big Red Koolaid running through me, but we have to show it on the field. I'll probably be fully on board as we start playing, and we get to see the hype, but as of now there are still a lot of questions, and that is why we shouldn't be getting respect....... yet.
 
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Bill Callahan 2.0 I agree that if Lee plays like 2015 beathard you will win the west. I also think that if the qb from wiscy, neb, iowa, or NW makes the plays 2015 Beathard made that team will win the west.
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I think your post is pretty fair, actually. I don't like it when trolls come in and cause a ruckus just to be jerks, but you weren't doing that.

My thoughts, as a Nebraska fan:

-Wisc: It's not that Wisconsin has ever really been "that" good in my mind, they just don't often have a significant weakness (arguably it would be their QB's, but even that somehow "works" more often than it should). What I mean by that is, they can play almost anyone effectively, but they also aren't Ohio State or even Michigan with their level of talent at recruiting. The evidence of that is, they win a lot, but it isn't often that they really subject other teams to brutal ass-whompings. They're just solid, so to beat them, we have to overcome them either on offense (unlikely) or on defense (much more likely, its sounding), and just get the final field goal or whatever it takes.

- Northwestern: I don't get all the pre-season hype. Is it because a lot of their guys are seniors now? Because it's not like they've recruited significantly different or hired a ton of new, rock-star coaches. They're just well coached and fair to good on the field. Beating them is more of a mental thing than anything else.

- Minnesota: They'll probably be pretty good going forward, but I don't think this is the year we see it.

- Iowa: Will play us hard, and will try to establish an edge physically. As per usual, we will have the edge in talent, so similar to Wisconsin, if you can just start pushing Iowa around and shut down their run game enough, beating them is well within reason.

- Illinois and Purdue: Losing to them were absolutely disasters for the Nebraska program, and beating them regularly should be expected.

I guess what I'm saying is, I see Nebraska as having the edge in talent more often than not over the other teams in the West (arguably, I know), yet not getting it together enough to run the table yet. We won't do it this year, either, but I think we're getting closer to that point. Also, the West is kind of funny because we don't have a clearly dominant program (tOSU, Michigan, now also Penn State)...unless you count Wisconsin since 2011, which I don't really, because I see them as always being beatable except for the year they had Russell Wilson. That was nuts.

The point is, I want to see Nebraska get to the point of being "the" team to beat in the West. We totally can do it.
 
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DudznSudz said:
I think your post is pretty fair, actually. I don't like it when trolls come in and cause a ruckus just to be jerks, but you weren't doing that.

My thoughts, as a Nebraska fan:

-Wisc: It's not that Wisconsin has ever really been "that" good in my mind, they just don't often have a significant weakness (arguably it would be their QB's, but even that somehow "works" more often than it should). What I mean by that is, they can play almost anyone effectively, but they also aren't Ohio State or even Michigan with their level of talent at recruiting. The evidence of that is, they win a lot, but it isn't often that they really subject other teams to brutal ass-whompings. They're just solid, so to beat them, we have to overcome them either on offense (unlikely) or on defense (much more likely, its sounding), and just get the final field goal or whatever it takes.

- Northwestern: I don't get all the pre-season hype. Is it because a lot of their guys are seniors now? Because it's not like they've recruited significantly different or hired a ton of new, rock-star coaches. They're just well coached and fair to good on the field. Beating them is more of a mental thing than anything else.

- Minnesota: They'll probably be pretty good going forward, but I don't think this is the year we see it.

- Iowa: Will play us hard, and will try to establish an edge physically. As per usual, we will have the edge in talent, so similar to Wisconsin, if you can just start pushing Iowa around and shut down their run game enough, beating them is well within reason.

- Illinois and Purdue: Losing to them were absolutely disasters for the Nebraska program, and beating them regularly should be expected.

I guess what I'm saying is, I see Nebraska as having the edge in talent more often than not over the other teams in the West (arguably, I know), yet not getting it together enough to run the table yet. We won't do it this year, either, but I think we're getting closer to that point. Also, the West is kind of funny because we don't have a clearly dominant program (tOSU, Michigan, now also Penn State)...unless you count Wisconsin since 2011, which I don't really, because I see them as always being beatable except for the year they had Russell Wilson. That was nuts.

The point is, I want to see Nebraska get to the point of being "the" team to beat in the West. We totally can do it.
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I think that is a completely fair assessment. I too want my team to be the team to beat in the west, but right now the west seems like 4 good sized guys in a bar that can all beat each other but there are other guys who could also beat them if they "land a punch" (i.e MN). I think Wiscy is going to come back to earth a little this year due to injuies and the coach rotation and NW is getting a lot of love for 2 guys but 1) as crazy as it sounds I think there passing game is going to be horrible 2) at some point you have to play defense.

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DudznSudz said:
I think your post is pretty fair, actually. I don't like it when trolls come in and cause a ruckus just to be jerks, but you weren't doing that.

-Wisc: It's not that Wisconsin has ever really been "that" good in my mind, they just don't often have a significant weakness (arguably it would be their QB's, but even that somehow "works" more often than it should). What I mean by that is, they can play almost anyone effectively, but they also aren't Ohio State or even Michigan with their level of talent at recruiting. The evidence of that is, they win a lot, but it isn't often that they really subject other teams to brutal ass-whompings. They're just solid, so to beat them, we have to overcome them either on offense (unlikely) or on defense (much more likely, its sounding), and just get the final field goal or whatever it takes.
- Northwestern: I don't get all the pre-season hype. Is it because a lot of their guys are seniors now? Because it's not like they've recruited significantly different or hired a ton of new, rock-star coaches. They're just well coached and fair to good on the field. Beating them is more of a mental thing than anything else.
- Minnesota: They'll probably be pretty good going forward, but I don't think this is the year we see it.
- Iowa: Will play us hard, and will try to establish an edge physically. As per usual, we will have the edge in talent, so similar to Wisconsin, if you can just start pushing Iowa around and shut down their run game enough, beating them is well within reason.
- Illinois and Purdue: Losing to them were absolutely disasters for the Nebraska program, and beating them regularly should be expected.
I guess what I'm saying is, I see Nebraska as having the edge in talent more often than not over the other teams in the West (arguably, I know), yet not getting it together enough to run the table yet. We won't do it this year, either, but I think we're getting closer to that point. Also, the West is kind of funny because we don't have a clearly dominant program (tOSU, Michigan, now also Penn State)...unless you count Wisconsin since 2011, which I don't really, because I see them as always being beatable except for the year they had Russell Wilson. That was nuts.
The point is, I want to see Nebraska get to the point of being "the" team to beat in the West. We totally can do it.
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Very, very well done!
Wisc - NU has to play mistake free FB and just flat out make some plays on offense. Wisconsin rarely beats themselves. We played them close the past couple of years, but I didn't get the feeling they felt they needed to bring their A game.
Iowa - Doesn't matter the record, they will fight like junkyard dogs when they play us. We haven't matched their effort overall. DPE and Tommy worked some magic in 2014 and got us a win in Iowa City, but that's about it over the past four years.
NW - A sound team that makes you beat them. If they play well early, they can ride that momentum for the entire game. We have to at the least match their effort.
Minnesota - Comparable to NW, but they always have weaknesses that can be exploited. But you can't let them hang around.
Purdue/Illinois - If these games are an issue, we have issues.

The thing that has killed us against West teams has been allowing teams to bust big running plays. The question that will be answered is whether Diacos schemes on D will lessen the incidence of these plays.
 
Solid post WV. FWIW I would way rather see you guys win the west over NW or Wiscy this year. Of course I want Iowa 1 but if not NOT WISCY AGAIN and I hate Purple PAt.



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Iwillnotpostdrunk.... said:
Solid post WV. FWIW I would way rather see you guys win the west over NW or Wiscy this year. Of course I want Iowa 1 but if not NOT WISCY AGAIN and I hate Purple PAt.



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BAHA Purple Pat. I actually like that coach a lot, just because he seems like slightly less of a sociopath than most coaches do.
 
I don't get it where some of you think Nebraska has better talent than Iowa. Iowa has two pre-season first team all Big Ten players and Nebraska only has one.

Iowa usually has more talent than Nebraska. Iowa had 4 NFL draftees last year to Nebraska's one. Iowa has 31 players in the NFL vs Nebraska's 19.

As for having a new QB being a drawback? Three of Iowa's five top ten finishes this century have come with first year quarterbacks.

Can't wait for the season to start.
 
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Very, very well done!
Wisc - NU has to play mistake free FB and just flat out make some plays on offense. Wisconsin rarely beats themselves. We played them close the past couple of years, but I didn't get the feeling they felt they needed to bring their A game.
Iowa - Doesn't matter the record, they will fight like junkyard dogs when they play us. We haven't matched their effort overall. DPE and Tommy worked some magic in 2014 and got us a win in Iowa City, but that's about it over the past four years.
NW - A sound team that makes you beat them. If they play well early, they can ride that momentum for the entire game. We have to at the least match their effort.
Minnesota - Comparable to NW, but they always have weaknesses that can be exploited. But you can't let them hang around.
Purdue/Illinois - If these games are an issue, we have issues.

The thing that has killed us against West teams has been allowing teams to bust big running plays. The question that will be answered is whether Diacos schemes on D will lessen the incidence of these plays.
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Totally accurate. When you think of the "good" teams in the West, you think of a solid Wisconsin squad that doesn't beat itself and has a monstrous offensive line, you think of an Iowa squad that plays really physical and can beat you through their run game, you think of Nebraska with a lot of firepower but a flair for beating ourselves or completely falling apart when challenged too forcefully, and you think of Northwestern playing solid ball but not winding up doing very well over the course of an entire season.

What you DON'T think of is the presence of a team or teams that are built like a machine designed to decimate other teams and operated by a sociopath, like tOSU and Michigan. Of the four teams I just mentioned, I simply think that Nebraska has the best chance at taking on the behemoths in the East IF WE CAN GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND CONSISTENTLY PLAY TO THE LEVEL OF TALENT WE'RE NOW RECRUITING. I see Iowa and Wisconsin always being our yearly challenges, and being the only other teams that should regularly expect to win the division right now. Minnesota may get there one day, too. Illinois and Purdue are so far behind the rest that I can't see them doing anything like that for a whiiiiile.
 
beatdahuskers said:
I don't get it where some of you think Nebraska has better talent than Iowa. Iowa has two pre-season first team all Big Ten players and Nebraska only has one.

Iowa usually has more talent than Nebraska. Iowa had 4 NFL draftees last year to Nebraska's one. Iowa has 31 players in the NFL vs Nebraska's 19.

As for having a new QB being a drawback? Three of Iowa's five top ten finishes this century have come with first year quarterbacks.

Can't wait for the season to start.
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Here is why, per 247Sports:

2012 Recruiting Class Rankings:

Iowa: 40
Nebraska: 32

2013 Recruiting Class Rankings:

Iowa: 56
Nebraska: 22

2014 Recruiting Class Rankings:

Iowa: 58
Nebraska: 35

2015 Recruiting Class Rankings:

Iowa: 59
Nebraska: 30

2016 Recruiting Class Rankings:

Iowa: 47
Nebraska: 26

2017 Recruiting Class Rankings:

Iowa: 41
Nebraska: 23

2018 Recruiting Class Rankings (so far):

Iowa: 63
Nebraska: 38
 
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Soooo......Nebraska is better than all the experts think and ever other team in the west is worse than the experts think.......
 
beatdahuskers said:
I don't get it where some of you think Nebraska has better talent than Iowa. Iowa has two pre-season first team all Big Ten players and Nebraska only has one.

Iowa usually has more talent than Nebraska. Iowa had 4 NFL draftees last year to Nebraska's one. Iowa has 31 players in the NFL vs Nebraska's 19.

As for having a new QB being a drawback? Three of Iowa's five top ten finishes this century have come with first year quarterbacks.

Can't wait for the season to start.
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Errrrrrrr wrong, try again. It is very Iowaish to make up numbers.
 
beatdahuskers said:
I don't get it where some of you think Nebraska has better talent than Iowa. Iowa has two pre-season first team all Big Ten players and Nebraska only has one.

Iowa usually has more talent than Nebraska. Iowa had 4 NFL draftees last year to Nebraska's one. Iowa has 31 players in the NFL vs Nebraska's 19.

As for having a new QB being a drawback? Three of Iowa's five top ten finishes this century have come with first year quarterbacks.

Can't wait for the season to start.
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Since we joined the Big10 outside of Iowa's "magical season" they are 32 and 30 basically a .500% ball club - NU is a 52 and 27 including one of our worst seasons in history. If we continue to stay down in the weeds with Iowa for the next couple of years we will be shopping for a new coach
 
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Double check those numbers snohomishred. No way we've played 17 more games than they have in the same time period.

Edit - Nebraska is 52-27 (31-18)
Iowa is 46-32 (29-20)

Since Nebraska joined B1G
 
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I think we are all chasing Wisconsin. 2-4 are interchangeable with Iowa, NE, NW. I think Iowa will be better than last year but the record might not show it. Pretty tough schedule.

I don't understand how using recruiting rankings shows who is the more talented team. Iowa is as athletic as they have been since 2010 and 6+ true freshman are lined up to play.

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beatdahuskers: "Iowa is way better than Nebraska".
Actually Nebraska has a better record since joining the B1G.

beatdahuskers: "Iowa is way more talented and has more players in the NFL".
Actually Nebraska has more players in the NFL and better recruiting rankings every year since joining the B1G.
 
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Jeez I leave for 4 hours and a pissing match breaks out.... For what its worth some people love recruiting rating some people not so much. I think they matter in the sense the teams that actually have a shot at a NT are loaded with 4 and 5 stars but there are a lot of cases (jack plumb this year) where a guy is rated as one thing (TE)and isn't very good (2*) but he will never be that at the school. (Iowa said hey 6-7 250 kid with a giant wingspan why don't you come work out under Coach doyle and in 3 years you will be our starting tackle and in 4 years you will play in the NFL.)


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I don't get it where some of you think Nebraska has better talent than Iowa. Iowa has two pre-season first team all Big Ten players and Nebraska only has one.

Iowa usually has more talent than Nebraska. Iowa had 4 NFL draftees last year to Nebraska's one. Iowa has 31 players in the NFL vs Nebraska's 19.

As for having a new QB being a drawback? Three of Iowa's five top ten finishes this century have come with first year quarterbacks.

Can't wait for the season to start.
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19?? Jeesh, you're lost! Nebraska has 32 in the NFL right now and Iowa has 31.

It's a known fact...to apparently everyone but you...that Nebraska has consistently outrecruited Iowa, by a large margin.

Now, if you want to say that Iowa has developed their talent better more recently, then I can agree with that. But it still took us not having a healthy QB to put on the field last year for you to finally even the W-L record last year. But that game has no bearing on what will happen this year. Especially when we finally have some depth at the position.
 
When does recruited talent not = talent on the field. I won't take time to look up the number of all B1G players from both teams since we joined the league or for certain the last few years.
 
Iwillnotpostdrunk.... said:
Bill Callahan 2.0 I agree that if Lee plays like 2015 beathard you will win the west. I also think that if the qb from wiscy, neb, iowa, or NW makes the plays 2015 Beathard made that team will win the west.
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I was actually thinking about this the other day. Riley does seem a little like Bill Callahan 2.0. West Coast offense, very good recruiter... the difference is, 1) Riley wasn't afraid to fire his DC buddy, when the defense wasn't up to par. 2) Riley isn't a complete jacka$$ (Cally wasn't up to Bo's standard, but he certainly wasn't Riley). 3) I always thought Callahan ran practices that were too soft. Very little contact. Most of his players were not going to the NFL, so they still needed aggressiveness, physicality, and fundamentals. Which I think was missing and it began to show on the field. I think Riley is a far better version of Callahan.
 
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