The root of the problem, defined

[redwine65]

(the following words are not to be taken in a liberalism sense, I mean exactly what I type)

The Problem with pass happy:
1. 2 things bad happen when you pass
2. Nebraska is not by:
a. large population centers
b. mountains
c. oceans
3. Nebraska does not oversign
4. Nebraska does not make cash payment for play
5. Recruiting against the nation for the best pass happy players will not turn out well
6. Running the ball is what put Nebraska on the map
7. John the jet, iron mike, and crouch did not win the heismen for pass happiness
(stats can be provided)
8. refer to Dr. Tom book, more than winning, about that dangers of pass happy during the 70's when his defense was worn out and oklahoma's wishbone owned the 4th quarter.
9. clock controll
10. moving the chains
11. keeping the defense fresh
12. 3 of the 5 offensive linemen on the 95 team lived 50 miles from lincoln
13. see number 12 again
14. coaching turn over, see k-state in the 80's
15. if someone can show me where being pass happy has produced more conferance or national titles, or hiesmens or outlines or lombarties. then being a rushing team..I am 100% all ears.
16. when a team rams the ball down the field, across the end zone, it takes a toll on an opposing defense, compared to a lucky pass, also refer back to #9
17. sky boxes, fancy colored fields, or trendy weightlifting machines don't win championships
18. football is a team game it's not about 1 great player, it's actually about your weakest link that can be exploited.
19. we have respect with what riley is trying to do, he has respesented the University much better than the caveman that left. but there are certain factors that makes pass happy odds far worse then running the ball.
20. if riley does well great, Im willing to give him 5 to 7 years. but if it does not work. Nebraska football needs to get back to Nebraska football (running the ball)

Conclusion: If riley's pass happiness does not pan out well, we need to get a coach with midwest roots like Bob D. or Dr.Tom who's life is NU Football and will oversee it with great detail. and get back to leading the nation in rushing.

 

[RedSea]

So, you don't favor pass happy?

 

[onechase]

WE cannot go 5 - 7 years with a bad defensive coordinator.

 

[redwine65]

WE cannot go 5 - 7 years with a bad defensive coordinator.

See: 8 & 11

 

[redwine65]

So, you don't favor pass happy?

See: 1- 20

 

[Truehuskerfan]

See: 1- 20

Thanks, I'm sure nobody could have figured that out. Seriously, I just laugh at people that get so enamored with or develop so much hatred for a style of offense. It really is humorous.

 

[redwine65]

Thanks, I'm sure nobody could have figured that out. Seriously, I just laugh at people that get so enamored with or develop so much hatred for a style of offense. It really is humorous.

if we can get terry bradshaw and jerry rice recruited every 2 years Im ok with pass happy,
but as we see thats not exactly happening, thus the reason for the post.

 

[Husker Sledge]

(the following words are not to be taken in a liberalism sense, I mean exactly what I type)

The Problem with pass happy:
1. 2 things bad happen when you pass
2. Nebraska is not by:
a. large population centers
b. mountains
c. oceans
3. Nebraska does not oversign
4. Nebraska does not make cash payment for play
5. Recruiting against the nation for the best pass happy players will not turn out well
6. Running the ball is what put Nebraska on the map
7. John the jet, iron mike, and crouch did not win the heismen for pass happiness
(stats can be provided)
8. refer to Dr. Tom book, more than winning, about that dangers of pass happy during the 70's when his defense was worn out and oklahoma's wishbone owned the 4th quarter.
9. clock controll
10. moving the chains
11. keeping the defense fresh
12. 3 of the 5 offensive linemen on the 95 team lived 50 miles from lincoln
13. see number 12 again
14. coaching turn over, see k-state in the 80's
15. if someone can show me where being pass happy has produced more conferance or national titles, or hiesmens or outlines or lombarties. then being a rushing team..I am 100% all ears.
16. when a team rams the ball down the field, across the end zone, it takes a toll on an opposing defense, compared to a lucky pass, also refer back to #9
17. sky boxes, fancy colored fields, or trendy weightlifting machines don't win championships
18. football is a team game it's not about 1 great player, it's actually about your weakest link that can be exploited.
19. we have respect with what riley is trying to do, he has respesented the University much better than the caveman that left. but there are certain factors that makes pass happy odds far worse then running the ball.
20. if riley does well great, Im willing to give him 5 to 7 years. but if it does not work. Nebraska football needs to get back to Nebraska football (running the ball)

Conclusion: If riley's pass happiness does not pan out well, we need to get a coach with midwest roots like Bob D. or Dr.Tom who's life is NU Football and will oversee it with great detail. and get back to leading the nation in rushing.

Good grief.....Here we go again.

 

[Harry Caray]

Tim Miles has landed more Top 150 recruits in the last couple years than Coach Riley. No more excuses. With the resources we have, a good recruiter should be able to get enough talent here regardless of what system they run.

 

[rcnut223]

San Diego Chargers in the air Coryell era and Miami with Marino are examples of pass happy with no real results

 

[Doniphan89]

Everyone just needs to ignore True Husker. He definitely is not a True Husker. He just likes to sit on this board and pee on every person who types. Needs to rename himself the little shitzu.

 

[redwine65]

Good grief.....Here we go again.

See: 1-20 again

 

[rcnut223]

Tim Miles has landed more Top 150 recruits in the last couple years than Coach Riley. No more excuses. With the resources we have, a good recruiter should be able to get enough talent here regardless of what system they run.

I would have to agree, if resources ment that much

Riley is not a coach kids are drawn too, he has no reputation and no record of success

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Iron Mike??? I was not aware that Mike Tyson:
A) Ever played for Nebraska
B) Won the Heisman Trophy while at Nebraska

Now, if you are referring to Mike Rozier, I am unaware that he was ever called "Iron Mike" while he was here

As for the rest of your post.... yes, we need to be able to run the ball effectively. Fortunately, I think Mike Riley is aware of that too.

 

[nicholasj4]

We have a bad d coordinator and a bad offensive line coach. Coaches he had at Oregon state and he couldn't win there and all of whom would have been fired last year when they went 0-11

 

[huskerfan1414]

Thanks, I'm sure nobody could have figured that out. Seriously, I just laugh at people that get so enamored with or develop so much hatred for a style of offense. It really is humorous.

I dont see why its that unbelievable that someone feels this way. Whats the big deal?
Sure any system can work, but some work better or worse given the circumstances. Right now we dont have a lot of evidence to prove what he said wrong now, do we?

 

[TruHusker]

Tim Miles has landed more Top 150 recruits in the last couple years than Coach Riley. No more excuses. With the resources we have, a good recruiter should be able to get enough talent here regardless of what system they run.

Why do all of those factors you name make it automatic while disregarding many others?

 

[sloth316]

Craig Bohl in 3-4 years would be nice

 

[Bugeater]

Iron Mike??? I was not aware that Mike Tyson:
A) Ever played for Nebraska
B) Won the Heisman Trophy while at Nebraska

Now, if you are referring to Mike Rozier, I am unaware that he was ever called "Iron Mike" while he was here

As for the rest of your post.... yes, we need to be able to run the ball effectively. Fortunately, I think Mike Riley is aware of that too.

Years ago, I was told by a couple of police officers had I been a more effective runner, I might have gotten away from them.

 

[GeauxBigRed]

Can we wait to see what this offense looks like when we can a QB that fits the system before we decide it's a failure.

And this offense is FAR from a pass happy offense.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

Can we wait to see what this offense looks like when we can a QB that fits the system before we decide it's a failure.

And this offense is FAR from a pass happy offense.

Yeah-it'd be nice if people would actually look at the offense before they call it "pass happy". Then again to some people, any offense where you just might pass more than 50% of the time qualifies as "pass happy."

 

[little a]

WE cannot go 5 - 7 years with a bad defensive coordinator.

We learned that in spades with Cosgrove, Callahan might still be here if he cut bait...

 

[redwine65]

Iron Mike??? I was not aware that Mike Tyson:
A) Ever played for Nebraska
B) Won the Heisman Trophy while at Nebraska

Now, if you are referring to Mike Rozier, I am unaware that he was ever called "Iron Mike" while he was here

As for the rest of your post.... yes, we need to be able to run the ball effectively. Fortunately, I think Mike Riley is aware of that too.

I thought I heard someone used that nickname before for him.

 

[redwine65]

Can we wait to see what this offense looks like when we can a QB that fits the system before we decide it's a failure.

And this offense is FAR from a pass happy offense.

See: 20

 

[redwine65]

I dont see why its that unbelievable that someone feels this way. Whats the big deal?
Sure any system can work, but some work better or worse given the circumstances. Right now we dont have a lot of evidence to prove what he said wrong now, do we?

to be fair, the first time I really noticed NU football was in 71, but I didn't really follow it till around 79 or so. so what I have known of NU football is mostly running and winning..untill solich got the reins, then it seems to have been a yearly decline...so that the perspective Im looking at it with.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

to be fair, the first time I really noticed NU football was in 71, but I didn't really follow it till around 79 or so. so what I have known of NU football is mostly running and winning..untill solich got the reins, then it seems to have been a yearly decline...so that the perspective Im looking at it with.

Oh-what was I thinking. It's so obvious. We all remember that "pass happy" offense that Solich installed that was responsible for beginning the decline. I mean we were just airing it out all over the place under Solich, weren't we?

 

[redwine65]

Yeah-it'd be nice if people would actually look at the offense before they call it "pass happy". Then again to some people, any offense where you just might pass more than 50% of the time qualifies as "pass happy."

I would say 25%

 

[Truehuskerfan]

I would say 25%

Passing more than 25% of the time is "pass happy" to you? So to you, 123 of the 128 teams in FBS are "pass happy"?

 

[redwine65]

Oh-what was I thinking. It's so obvious. We all remember that "pass happy" offense that Solich installed that was responsible for beginning the decline. I mean we were just airing it out all over the place under Solich, weren't we?

no, solich dropped the ball almost as much as dan and buck, he made the offenses one dimensional (crouch right - crouch left) which got him the hiesman but got us exposed by cu and um...then further decline came as solich worried more about a cheerleader then actually coaching.
he made NU look like a high school team again ut, and penn state.
in sort solich was not DR.Tom.

 

[redwine65]

Passing more than 25% of the time is "pass happy" to you? So to you, 123 of the 128 teams in FBS are "pass happy"?

consult the passing = rushing stat totals from 1980 - 1997 for comparison.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

consult the passing = rushing stat totals from 1980 - 1997 for comparison.

Who's winning championships with that run/pass ratio right now?

 

[redwine65]

Who's winning championships with that run/pass ratio right now?

who won with it back then?

 

[Truehuskerfan]

who won with it back then?

Who cares? This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. If it's so obvious it would work now, why are only 5 teams out of 128 doing it and none of them are winning championships?

 

[redwine65]

Who cares? This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. If it's so obvious it would work now, why are only 5 teams out of 128 doing it and none of them are winning championships?

airforce and Nebraska used to be the top 2 rushing teams year after year , one won championships, one didn't.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

airforce and Nebraska used to be the top 2 rushing teams year after year , one won championships, one didn't.

Tom Osborne is retired and isn't coming back either.

 

[redwine65]

Tom Osborne is retired and isn't coming back either.

before there was Dr, Tom there was Bob D

 

[Truehuskerfan]

before there was Dr, Tom there was Bob D

And he's dead. Devaney didn't even run that type of offense anyway. If you can find another coach who has proven he can win championships with that offense, go ahead. There isn't one.

 

[redwine65]

And he's dead. Devaney didn't even run that type of offense anyway. If you can find another coach who has proven he can win championships with that offense, go ahead. There isn't one.

according to you.

for a comparison, post the championships from 1980-1997 compared to 2000-2017.
and year end rankings.

 

[regibson1]

consult the passing = rushing stat totals from 1980 - 1997 for comparison.

A lot has changed since 1980-1997 with regard to passing the ball. Spread offenses came on the scene in the B12 and elsewhere, the West Coast offense was tried at NU and was successful under Callahan but our defense stunk under Cosgrove, and the NFL became much more into passing the ball than relying on running backs to carry their offenses.

Nebraska has had some great passing qb's. Ferragamo, Humm, Tagge, Berringer, Ganz, Zac Taylor are a few off the top of my head. We also had some players like Churchich and Claridge before the 70's that had some excellent passing stats.

I think that Coach Riley wants to have a balanced attack. That relies on throwing the ball more than 25% of the time. I doubt that there is an NFL team now that throws the ball less than 40% of the time.

Tanner Lee I believe will be for Riley what Zac Taylor was for Callahan. Next year we will have two QB's ( 3 unless Gebbia is a rs) that can run the offense that Langsdorf has wanted to incorporate but has not been able to until now.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

according to you

Who then? Who is it?