The tax difference alone could help them attract FA players to Vegas versus Oakland.
The Oakland A's are Moving to Vegas
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I agree it's absolutely crazy money, but I won't be surprised if it happens.
Broncos new ownership is anxious to shutter a fairly modern stadium and build a new stadium and some kind of surrounding "village" out by the airport. But that idea probably won't fly as long as the product on the field is a shitshow.
I went to a Chiefs game at Arrowhead 5 years ago. I thought the stadium was just fine. Concourses were big enough etc. I think the push for newer stadiums is driven by the desire for more skyboxes, restaurants etc. Most real football fans don’t care that much about those things as long as they get a seat back and easy access to beer, brats and toilets.
Never made sense to me why Oakland had MLB and NFL teams, when there is already another team literally right across the bridge. It's good to have more teams spread out across the country. I'd like to see Salt Lake City get a MLB team. I wish KC would get an NBA team again.
Most municipalities are trying to spend themselves rich. The push to spend money on city owned recreational facilities is astounding with it being tough to justify the cost with tax revenue generation let alone the idea that they might somehow be self supporting.
Jesus, some of ya’lls whole identity revolves around politics.
Losers.
Good for Oakland for not using hundreds of millions to subsidize corporate greed. It would be different if they didn’t already have a stadium, but they do. A new stadium isn’t going to dramatically change their market or impact the economy. It’s just to subsidize a private business that isn’t doing well in a market that doesn’t care about their product.
Losers.
Good for Oakland for not using hundreds of millions to subsidize corporate greed. It would be different if they didn’t already have a stadium, but they do. A new stadium isn’t going to dramatically change their market or impact the economy. It’s just to subsidize a private business that isn’t doing well in a market that doesn’t care about their product.
But hey man, every 30 years we might get to host a Final Four and every 50 we might get a Super Bowl!
building a stadium the public can enjoy to house a product the community can unite around & take pride in is better than sending tax dollars unrequited into a dark well while filth, potholes & regulation continue their never ending march toward total domination
calls people losers for making things about politics
same post, makes things about politics
*chef's kiss*
My post was mostly directed at you. Seems you picked up on that. Chefs kiss, indeed.
I'm aware.
as usual, your disagreement means I'm right.
also - 'ya'lls'? real smooth brain stuff from our resident cuck
I was literally going to say that the As moves and organization remind me of Major League, like they want to relocate. I get oakland wasnt helping things either.
I hope not. Royals were caught planting people on social media acting like they are for a new stadium. Very unpopular wth most fans.
This move will also have a major impact to the Mets, right? Their AAA team is in LV. This was always a great test for the Mets Franchise young pitchers. If you could survive in LV, you can make it in the Bigs.
also this is going to flip everything in the A’s organization. A’s going from a heavy pitcher friendly park to now a heavy hitter friendly one.
also this is going to flip everything in the A’s organization. A’s going from a heavy pitcher friendly park to now a heavy hitter friendly one.
Mmmmaybe. Not sure about the cost/benefit analysis of that deal. The CWS is a cash cow for Omaha and that stadium is pretty barebones compared to some of the pro stadiums.
It’s a lot of money in some prime real estate for a single event. Im sure after a decade it paid for itself.
I don’t think I ever completely understood why the AAA affiliate isn’t playing there. If you are going to replace a piece of history with something new, at least put everything you can into it to make it nice.
Omaha squeezed a commitment out of the NCAA to keep the CWS there for 25 years, which was pretty unprecedented. The alternative was to keep making fairly expensive upgrades to Rosenblatt, only to have the NCAA come back every 2 or 3 years with another wish list.
I'll always feel like the CWS belongs at Rosenblatt but under the circumstances, I can understand why Omaha opted to build new.
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That's a pretty easy analysis. The AAA affiliate had no desire to continue playing downtown because they NEED easy access for suburban families in order to have any attendance at all. They also had no desire to continue playing in a 25,000 seat stadium that looks empty with 5,000 fans. It certainly doesn't make sense from a budget standpoint but as long as Papillion was a willing partner it makes all the sense in the world for the team.
It sure sounds like the Royals are moving downtown. They say that the cost to maintain their current stadium (which is 50 years old, and among the oldest in the league) is the same or more than the cost of building a new one. They are going to have to provide some documentation to support that.
That said, I like the idea of a downtown ballpark. The cities/ballparks I've been to (Denver, Minneapolis, Boston) that have this make for a great experience.
And I don't know why people are so down on the Royals this year. They are just like the Chiefs. They win one game a week.
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Mostly agree, except in 1 case in professional sports… the A’s. They literally play in a sewer infested shithole. Wrigley and Fenway are also crapholes, but the fan bases have convinced themselves they are great places because that’s where their great grandparents went to watch games
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There was a little chatter about possibly building out toward the airport as well. While maybe not as good for KC, it would be great to have a stadium up North for us going down to catch a game
Has their attendance increased since moving to papillon? Des Moines AAA affiliate sells about 50% more tickets than Omaha with their downtown ballpark. I have to assume a lot of those sales are corporate since their park is almost never full.
It doesn't seem like their average attendance has increased since moving, it's always around 4,000/game and that's about what it was at Rosenblatt. You have to take into account though that "Omaha" has changed a lot in the last decade and will continue to move west.
That wasn’t such prime real estate until they built the ballpark. It was mostly run down buildings and parking lots. It spun off a lot of restaurants and lodging in the area. From a national visibility standpoint it’s a huge marketing tool for Omaha. Is it worth the price tag? Who knows.
"unbiased" people will tell you that the growth around the ballpark is merely a coincidence, not a cause
they'll say that growth was just stolen from other areas of the city, and stadium-centered economic development is a zero sum game
I think the CWS situation was somewhat unique in that Omaha proved to be a pretty tough negotiator. At the time, I don't think anyone really believed the NCAA would sign off on a 25-year commitment - but they did.
imagine thinking for just a single second Oakland didn't care about their A's
That was the only way Omaha could publicly justify the capital outlay. Revenue projections from public recreation projects like pools and stadiums are always insanely optimistic. Glad Omaha did it but I’m not sure how much it’s contributed to the huge jump my property taxes on our 2nd home in Omaha are to blame for it. 50% increase in 5 years. People blame inflated home values but they could lower levies to compensate for that some.
Maybe it's childhood nostalgia but I don't care how nice the bars and the stadium are, give me Rosenblatt any day. Been back to 2 games in the new stadium. Everything seems fake and forced. Understand why they did it though.
All the Royals need is the shiny new downtown stadium that Sherman is pining for. That’ll fix all their issues. 😂
I mean, its all about those dollas amirite fellas? How can you deny them their due? Anything else is just commie shit. Goose and gander for some ITT.
I also have trouble with change. The problem is that without the new stadium the CWS was gonzo.
The Vegas team will probably do pretty well here if they prioritize day games. Reason I say that is there's not a lot of stuff you can do during the Vegas summers with as hot as it gets out here. Usually for tourists, it's visiting pool day clubs and the casinos. If they market the team right and don't try to overprice the tickets, they'll be sold out every day just by sheer foot traffic on the strip with people looking for things to do. With the baseball rule changes making games go quicker, it's going to be even more appealing as an afternoon 'thing to do'.
The CWS was never leaving Omaha , the issue was if Omaha was building a new stadium over revamping Rosenblatte again was a long term contract which they got , The only stadiums in the country big enough are basically Professional parks and they are not giving up 15 days on a Road trip to host this.
I don’t believe that’s true. The NCAA was looking at alternative sites. Trying to fix Rosenblatt didn’t seem very logical to me.
Oakland is one of those cities like Detroit that looked wonderful in 1946 while Nagasaki was in ruins. Now Nagasaki looks wonderful and Oakland looks like this. I expect a lot of residents in the area can't afford to go to baseball games and those who can are hesitant to drive or take BART into town .
My daughter rides BART from near Berkeley to the downtown financial district in SF. Scares the hell out of me but she only does it during normal commuting hours. It’s kind of the Herring school philosophy. Travel in huge numbers and hope you’re not the 1-2% the sharks get when they decide to feed.Oakland is one of those cities like Detroit that looked wonderful in 1946 while Nagasaki was in ruins. Now Nagasaki looks wonderful and Oakland looks like this. I expect a lot of residents in the area can't afford to go to baseball games and those who can are hesitant to drive or take BART into town .
That is not how I remember it at all. I remember somebody in Omaha planting the seed out of nowhere and the CWS went..."Wait, you want to build us what....."? ...and then it was game on. I remember a very specific segment on it from Kugler/Unsportsman Like Conduct even saying the same.
