Husker lifer here, grew up on a farm in Central Nebraska, currently live in Lincoln...31 years old...I was about 10 years old when we we're at the peak of 90's Husker glory. Great years growing up in that time. A lot of really good memories.
As I've gotten older, I've watched our once proud program's at first sudden (01 Colorado) then gradual, incremental fall from grace the past 15 years watching our records and streaks fade away.
It's been a sad process to watch, as I'm sure all of you can relate.
I think we are at a critical moment in Husker Football history. I can remember being so upset when Nebraska would lose that it would ruin my day, but now, I'm just numb to it.
Nebraska's fans care SO much about our football team...It's one of the best things our program has going for it. But, I feel it, you probably do to ... I'm beginning to feel apathy towards Nebraska Football, and I believe that's the greatest threat to our program at this moment. The sellout streak is still intact, but really not sure how much longer that will last if we keep going down the path we are currently on.
I don't post much on here, hardly at all ... But, I'm frustrated with the state of the program as many are, so just offering my humble perspective on what I think needs to happen to return to College Football relevance. I focus mostly on offense here, but I think some of it applies to the defensive side of the ball as well. Thanks for hearing my thoughts and opinions & sorry for the length ...
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Okay, first let me start by stating that I fully support HCMR as long as he is the coach here at DONU and hope he wins out this year and has great success here in the future.
Now, I'm also a realist...Obviously the results we've seen on the field in year 3 of the Riley regime with his coaching approach, his quarterback, his preferred play calling style, & the majority of his recruited players have been very disappointing to say the least.
We are currently running Riley's version of the West Coast Offense here at Nebraska. We've seen the WCO here at Nebraska before with the Callahan years and it didn't work out too well.
So, the optimist view in me ... assuming Riley is the answer for the future coach, what would it take to make the West Coast Offense succeed at a place like Nebraska to a level where we're winning National Championships again? (I know...hard to imagine, right?
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IMO it comes down to good coaching obviously and having NFL caliber players all over the field that fit what you are trying to do with the plays and concepts of the WCO.
- You need a few STUD receivers. Big and physical on the edge that can win one on one battles and jump balls. Speed and great hands in the slot and a burner who can go vertical and stretch the field.
- You need a consistent and effective running game. Not the focal part of the offense, but enough to keep the defense honest. Optimally features a versatile back that can catch the ball out of the backfield, and can pick up blitzes in the pocket. RB needs to be heavily involved in the screen game.
- You need a strong-armed, deadly accurate quarterback that can make the gimme throws with ease (screens and check downs). Ideally, he would be able to escape the pocket and extend plays. Most importantly he needs to make SMART decisions ... decision making is probably the most important quality for a quarterback to have in the WCO because he is the linchpin of the offense. He's cool under pressure and rarely makes mistakes...If a mistake is made, it is quickly learned from. Needs to have the "it" factor.
- You need an impenetrable offensive line that will protect the quarterback in the pocket so he has time to deliver the ball on time and on target. This becomes more paramount if your quarterback is a statue (i.e. Tanner Lee). The line also needs to be effective run blockers and capable of running the ball effectively against SEC level D-lines.
- Evidence of good coaching can be seen not only in the x's and o's, but I think it can be seen in how a team improves throughout the year. Evidence we have of the past 2 years have showed that we really haven't improved from day one of camp to the bowl game (if we make one). Obviously there are other factors, but this says to me that the coaches just simply aren't getting it done. PROVE ME WRONG THE REST OF THIS YEAR!
Okay, so the WCO by definition uses the passing game to setup the running game.
Riley has stated that we are "committed to the running the ball to win here at Nebraska", and we have seen flashes of this philosophy to win games during Riley's tenure, but they have came against inferior opponents that we can simply overpower and wear down on the offensive line. We have also seen games where the running game is completely abandoned.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if Riley & Langs had it their way, we would throw the ball 60-70% of the time. That's just how they like to operate on offense...which is fine. There have been teams in college football that have won national titles with this style of offense.
Since 2000, what teams have one a natty using the WCO. (Some of these might be considered "Pro Style Offenses" ... but pretty much all pro offenses are a version of the west coast, so I'm including them.)
- Oklahoma (00)
- Miami (01)
- USC (03, 04)
- LSU (03, 07)
- Alabama (09, 11, 12, 15)
What do these teams have in common? (Rhetorical question I'll answer for you! haha)
The answers are they are all based in college football recruiting hotbeds (With the exception of maybe Oklahoma, though half their players are from Texas so I included them in here) and they are all based in the south or on the coast, where the weather is consistent. Think of a November game in Nebraska (Cold, Windy) compared to a November game in LA or Miami or Tuscaloosa (Perfect weather for football in most cases). A pass first offense obviously will have more success in the perfect weather than in a cold and windy November day in Nebraska.
These factors mean that they have a huge and overwhelming advantage when it comes to getting the elite talent and athletes to their school. (Elite recruits in their back yard, warm weather can't hurt)
For the WCO to win on the National Championship level, you need the elite talent at all of the skill positions. (btw, I'm focusing on offense in this post, but elite talent and athletes doesn't hurt your defense either!
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Where are our beloved Cornhuskers based? Well, we are from the great state of Nebraska! The best damn state in the union! (In my humble opini...ah f*** being PC, it's true! We all know it! haha)
While we all agree it's obviously the best state in the US, we all realize Nebraska is not exactly considered a college football recruiting hotbed to say the least.
So, to be competitive we have to recruit nationally for our skill position players...Always have, always will.
It's just a reality. No matter what offense or defense we are running, we will most of the time have to go out of state to find the elite athletes that keep us in the upper echelon of College Football.
To get these elite recruits to come to Nebraska, you are recruiting mostly the hotbeds (Florida, California, Texas, etc.) and against the instate schools in those states as well as other CFB blue bloods that recruit nationally (Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc.) ... ultra competitive to say the least.
It's not all bad news about being located in Nebraska though! We have a few distinct advantages compared to similar Midwestern schools.
1. We have a rich and storied history and we're considered a college football blue blood (for how much longer, not sure). But we have 5 National Titles, 3 Heisman Winners, Most Academic All-Americans, etc. The list goes on and on...but most of them are getting further and further in the past. Recruits now have only seen the version of Nebraska that gets blown out on the national stage on national TV.
2. Our facilities and player development resources are second to none.
3. Best and most knowledgeable fans in the nation and the sellout streak. Bi-product of the fact that we're the only show in town...Nebraska's only college football team and no professional sports teams.
4. Walk-on tradition. We have kids that turn down multiple full-ride scholarship offers for the opportunity to be a part of the Nebraska Football Team, and the slim chance that they might realize their dream of being one of the many walk-on success stories.
We have a lot of factors working in our favor.
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Okay, so if you are still reading, I applaud you! I promise I'm getting to some points and conclusions.
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So what conclusions or theories can we come up with from my opinions, facts, and stats?
Assuming that my statements & research on all of the above is correct, objectively thinking, what type of offensive system would give Nebraska the best chance to get back to where we are competing for Conference Championships and National Championships?
What advantages can Nebraska capitalize on to get edge on other college football programs?
My Conclusions: Take them for what their worth...
1. Stop fighting it already, we need embrace Nebraska style football. What is Nebraska style football you ask? In my mind, it's pounding the rock and breaking the will of our opponent on the line of scrimmage. Smash-mouth football. Some sort of Option-style, zone-read, misdirection, run-first mentality ... then lull them to sleep and throw the play action over the top.
We need to get back to what made us have unrivaled and unprecedented success over a 30 year period. Stop trying to be something we are not. We are never going to be USC or Florida State or Alabama...it's just not going to happen.
Trying to throw the ball around 40 times in a November game at Memorial Stadium when its close to freezing and the wind may be blowing 20-30 is not a recipe for success. BTW, when do the most important games on the schedule take place? Late October/November.
Nebraska weather isn't exactly easy to predict as all of us know. Why not build a "Weather-Proof Offense TM"
? An offense that will work efficiently in any weather, and any conditions. This will establish an offensive identity, and even if we don't bring our A-game, we can still beat inferior opponents by just controlling the line of scrimmage.
That means keeping the ball on the ground and pounding the rock till the opponent says "uncle". Just because you are a run-first offense doesn't mean the offense has to be boring or vanilla either. Throw in some misdirection, option, zone-read, and then the play action off of those sets.
2. Embrace the Walk-on Program and Build that as your Program's Foundation. Build the program's offensive and defensive philosophy's around what most walk-ons do best. What is a walk-on's greatest asset? I think it's their attitude and work ethic more than anything else. They bleed Husker red and take pride in what it means to wear the "N" on the side of their helmet. This mentality is contagious and can rub off on the players recruited to Nebraska from other states that might not understand what it means to be a Cornhusker.
What positions can a walk-on thrive at? ... I would say the Offensive Line, Defensive Line, and Linebacker. Of course there are exceptions to this, but in general, those are the positions that walk-ons most often end up making an impact and earning scholarships. Throw Special Teamers, Kicker and Punter into this category as well.
Listen, I'm not saying that walk-ons are gonna make up most of the starters on the team or even on the offensive line. We still need to recruit top talent for these positions. There's a reason they aren't a scholarship player coming out of highschool (mostly because of athletic limitations, etc.) but through hard work they earn a role on the team and can plug depth chart holes, fill recruiting misses and deficiencies on a team. With their passion for the program, they are the glue that holds the team together.
Even if a walk-on isn't playing in games, they are giving 110% everyday in practice and will push the starters to not take a play or a day off ... it makes everyone on the team better.
A kid can work hard and develop and change into a completely different player from when they are 18 years old as opposed to 23 years old with 4-5 years in the S&C program and coaching. 4-5 years of hard work can transform a player to the potential that even they didn't even think was possible. (Hello J.J. Watt?)
3. Simplify the Offense and Move Towards a Run-First Mentality. The key here is what your team can do on a consistent basis and when things do go wrong, what kind of damage does it do. Analyze what the worst-case scenario can be for a play or play calling style.
*Pass-First Offense Scenario - A pass first offensive strategy has a lot of moving parts and a lot has to go right to make it work and be effective. Okay, so our quarterback drops back to throw say 30-35 times a game ... How many things can go right in this scenario? How many things can go wrong in this scenario? Remember this is college football...We don't have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady back there.
When passing the ball on the NCAA level, especially when it is the precision & timing passing that is required in the WCO, there is a pretty good chance that something can go wrong (i.e. protection bust and sack, inaccurate throw to open receiver, dropped pass, etc), or terribly wrong (i.e. pick 6, sack fumble, etc). In the case of a sack or incompletion, you have lost a down and haven't gained any yardage. This puts you in 2nd and long or 3rd and long. Incomplete pass also stops the clock, and assures that your defense will be on the field more time during the game. Or as we've seen too much this year, a bad decision or poorly thrown ball results in a turnover or a defensive touchdown for the defense.
I'll admit, when the WCO is humming along, it can be very effective and it's a lot of fun to watch ... but, when your quarterback is struggling or having an off day which happens, it gives your team almost no chance of winning, especially if your running game isn't being effective. (see loss vs. Northern Illinois)
*Run-First Offense Scenario - With a run-first option or zone read based attack, there are a lot less moving parts. Your offensive line can get into a rhythm knowing that they will be run blocking most of the game and can burst leaning forward and pushing the d-line on their heels wearing them down throughout the game. As opposed to being on our heels in pass protection for most of the game.
You establish a power running game, then the defense starts creeping up, then boom you hit them with the play action. Most of the time with a play action the receiver will be wide open, so the QB doesn't have to be a hero and fit the ball into a tight space, especially if the wind is whipping through the stadium.
I'm a big believer also in having a quarterback that can beat you with their legs. It's just one more aspect the defense has to gameplan for, and a mobile quarterback can turn a busted play into a first down or more, which can be demoralizing for the defense.
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IN CONCLUSION
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Well, I really didn't intend to write a book here in this post, but whatever...Once you start typing your frustrations, they just start flowing. And I didn't even talk about my thoughts on the defense!
Again, I really hope that Riley can turn it around here this year and I'm not rooting against him by any means. I think we learned a lot about this team and the direction of the program with the Wisconsin game and we will learn even more this Saturday with the Buckeyes coming to Lincoln.
We need to stop pretending to be something we are not and get back to the pillars of what made us a tremendous program for so many years. A dominant running game that can produce on a consistent basis is a recipe for winning football...Whatever form that might be (I-Formation, Option, Zone Read, or some combination of all 3)
LET'S GET BACK TO THAT!!!
Interested to hear your guys perspective. And if you made it through to the end of my ramblings, god bless you!
GBR!
-NEKJ
As I've gotten older, I've watched our once proud program's at first sudden (01 Colorado) then gradual, incremental fall from grace the past 15 years watching our records and streaks fade away.
It's been a sad process to watch, as I'm sure all of you can relate.
I think we are at a critical moment in Husker Football history. I can remember being so upset when Nebraska would lose that it would ruin my day, but now, I'm just numb to it.
Nebraska's fans care SO much about our football team...It's one of the best things our program has going for it. But, I feel it, you probably do to ... I'm beginning to feel apathy towards Nebraska Football, and I believe that's the greatest threat to our program at this moment. The sellout streak is still intact, but really not sure how much longer that will last if we keep going down the path we are currently on.
I don't post much on here, hardly at all ... But, I'm frustrated with the state of the program as many are, so just offering my humble perspective on what I think needs to happen to return to College Football relevance. I focus mostly on offense here, but I think some of it applies to the defensive side of the ball as well. Thanks for hearing my thoughts and opinions & sorry for the length ...
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Okay, first let me start by stating that I fully support HCMR as long as he is the coach here at DONU and hope he wins out this year and has great success here in the future.
Now, I'm also a realist...Obviously the results we've seen on the field in year 3 of the Riley regime with his coaching approach, his quarterback, his preferred play calling style, & the majority of his recruited players have been very disappointing to say the least.
We are currently running Riley's version of the West Coast Offense here at Nebraska. We've seen the WCO here at Nebraska before with the Callahan years and it didn't work out too well.
So, the optimist view in me ... assuming Riley is the answer for the future coach, what would it take to make the West Coast Offense succeed at a place like Nebraska to a level where we're winning National Championships again? (I know...hard to imagine, right?
)IMO it comes down to good coaching obviously and having NFL caliber players all over the field that fit what you are trying to do with the plays and concepts of the WCO.
- You need a few STUD receivers. Big and physical on the edge that can win one on one battles and jump balls. Speed and great hands in the slot and a burner who can go vertical and stretch the field.
- You need a consistent and effective running game. Not the focal part of the offense, but enough to keep the defense honest. Optimally features a versatile back that can catch the ball out of the backfield, and can pick up blitzes in the pocket. RB needs to be heavily involved in the screen game.
- You need a strong-armed, deadly accurate quarterback that can make the gimme throws with ease (screens and check downs). Ideally, he would be able to escape the pocket and extend plays. Most importantly he needs to make SMART decisions ... decision making is probably the most important quality for a quarterback to have in the WCO because he is the linchpin of the offense. He's cool under pressure and rarely makes mistakes...If a mistake is made, it is quickly learned from. Needs to have the "it" factor.
- You need an impenetrable offensive line that will protect the quarterback in the pocket so he has time to deliver the ball on time and on target. This becomes more paramount if your quarterback is a statue (i.e. Tanner Lee). The line also needs to be effective run blockers and capable of running the ball effectively against SEC level D-lines.
- Evidence of good coaching can be seen not only in the x's and o's, but I think it can be seen in how a team improves throughout the year. Evidence we have of the past 2 years have showed that we really haven't improved from day one of camp to the bowl game (if we make one). Obviously there are other factors, but this says to me that the coaches just simply aren't getting it done. PROVE ME WRONG THE REST OF THIS YEAR!
Okay, so the WCO by definition uses the passing game to setup the running game.
Riley has stated that we are "committed to the running the ball to win here at Nebraska", and we have seen flashes of this philosophy to win games during Riley's tenure, but they have came against inferior opponents that we can simply overpower and wear down on the offensive line. We have also seen games where the running game is completely abandoned.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if Riley & Langs had it their way, we would throw the ball 60-70% of the time. That's just how they like to operate on offense...which is fine. There have been teams in college football that have won national titles with this style of offense.
Since 2000, what teams have one a natty using the WCO. (Some of these might be considered "Pro Style Offenses" ... but pretty much all pro offenses are a version of the west coast, so I'm including them.)
- Oklahoma (00)
- Miami (01)
- USC (03, 04)
- LSU (03, 07)
- Alabama (09, 11, 12, 15)
What do these teams have in common? (Rhetorical question I'll answer for you! haha)
The answers are they are all based in college football recruiting hotbeds (With the exception of maybe Oklahoma, though half their players are from Texas so I included them in here) and they are all based in the south or on the coast, where the weather is consistent. Think of a November game in Nebraska (Cold, Windy) compared to a November game in LA or Miami or Tuscaloosa (Perfect weather for football in most cases). A pass first offense obviously will have more success in the perfect weather than in a cold and windy November day in Nebraska.
These factors mean that they have a huge and overwhelming advantage when it comes to getting the elite talent and athletes to their school. (Elite recruits in their back yard, warm weather can't hurt)
For the WCO to win on the National Championship level, you need the elite talent at all of the skill positions. (btw, I'm focusing on offense in this post, but elite talent and athletes doesn't hurt your defense either!
)Where are our beloved Cornhuskers based? Well, we are from the great state of Nebraska! The best damn state in the union! (In my humble opini...ah f*** being PC, it's true! We all know it! haha)
While we all agree it's obviously the best state in the US, we all realize Nebraska is not exactly considered a college football recruiting hotbed to say the least.
So, to be competitive we have to recruit nationally for our skill position players...Always have, always will.
It's just a reality. No matter what offense or defense we are running, we will most of the time have to go out of state to find the elite athletes that keep us in the upper echelon of College Football.
To get these elite recruits to come to Nebraska, you are recruiting mostly the hotbeds (Florida, California, Texas, etc.) and against the instate schools in those states as well as other CFB blue bloods that recruit nationally (Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc.) ... ultra competitive to say the least.
It's not all bad news about being located in Nebraska though! We have a few distinct advantages compared to similar Midwestern schools.
1. We have a rich and storied history and we're considered a college football blue blood (for how much longer, not sure). But we have 5 National Titles, 3 Heisman Winners, Most Academic All-Americans, etc. The list goes on and on...but most of them are getting further and further in the past. Recruits now have only seen the version of Nebraska that gets blown out on the national stage on national TV.
2. Our facilities and player development resources are second to none.
3. Best and most knowledgeable fans in the nation and the sellout streak. Bi-product of the fact that we're the only show in town...Nebraska's only college football team and no professional sports teams.
4. Walk-on tradition. We have kids that turn down multiple full-ride scholarship offers for the opportunity to be a part of the Nebraska Football Team, and the slim chance that they might realize their dream of being one of the many walk-on success stories.
We have a lot of factors working in our favor.
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Okay, so if you are still reading, I applaud you! I promise I'm getting to some points and conclusions.
--------------------------
So what conclusions or theories can we come up with from my opinions, facts, and stats?
Assuming that my statements & research on all of the above is correct, objectively thinking, what type of offensive system would give Nebraska the best chance to get back to where we are competing for Conference Championships and National Championships?
What advantages can Nebraska capitalize on to get edge on other college football programs?
My Conclusions: Take them for what their worth...
1. Stop fighting it already, we need embrace Nebraska style football. What is Nebraska style football you ask? In my mind, it's pounding the rock and breaking the will of our opponent on the line of scrimmage. Smash-mouth football. Some sort of Option-style, zone-read, misdirection, run-first mentality ... then lull them to sleep and throw the play action over the top.
We need to get back to what made us have unrivaled and unprecedented success over a 30 year period. Stop trying to be something we are not. We are never going to be USC or Florida State or Alabama...it's just not going to happen.
Trying to throw the ball around 40 times in a November game at Memorial Stadium when its close to freezing and the wind may be blowing 20-30 is not a recipe for success. BTW, when do the most important games on the schedule take place? Late October/November.
Nebraska weather isn't exactly easy to predict as all of us know. Why not build a "Weather-Proof Offense TM"
? An offense that will work efficiently in any weather, and any conditions. This will establish an offensive identity, and even if we don't bring our A-game, we can still beat inferior opponents by just controlling the line of scrimmage.That means keeping the ball on the ground and pounding the rock till the opponent says "uncle". Just because you are a run-first offense doesn't mean the offense has to be boring or vanilla either. Throw in some misdirection, option, zone-read, and then the play action off of those sets.
2. Embrace the Walk-on Program and Build that as your Program's Foundation. Build the program's offensive and defensive philosophy's around what most walk-ons do best. What is a walk-on's greatest asset? I think it's their attitude and work ethic more than anything else. They bleed Husker red and take pride in what it means to wear the "N" on the side of their helmet. This mentality is contagious and can rub off on the players recruited to Nebraska from other states that might not understand what it means to be a Cornhusker.
What positions can a walk-on thrive at? ... I would say the Offensive Line, Defensive Line, and Linebacker. Of course there are exceptions to this, but in general, those are the positions that walk-ons most often end up making an impact and earning scholarships. Throw Special Teamers, Kicker and Punter into this category as well.
Listen, I'm not saying that walk-ons are gonna make up most of the starters on the team or even on the offensive line. We still need to recruit top talent for these positions. There's a reason they aren't a scholarship player coming out of highschool (mostly because of athletic limitations, etc.) but through hard work they earn a role on the team and can plug depth chart holes, fill recruiting misses and deficiencies on a team. With their passion for the program, they are the glue that holds the team together.
Even if a walk-on isn't playing in games, they are giving 110% everyday in practice and will push the starters to not take a play or a day off ... it makes everyone on the team better.
A kid can work hard and develop and change into a completely different player from when they are 18 years old as opposed to 23 years old with 4-5 years in the S&C program and coaching. 4-5 years of hard work can transform a player to the potential that even they didn't even think was possible. (Hello J.J. Watt?)
3. Simplify the Offense and Move Towards a Run-First Mentality. The key here is what your team can do on a consistent basis and when things do go wrong, what kind of damage does it do. Analyze what the worst-case scenario can be for a play or play calling style.
*Pass-First Offense Scenario - A pass first offensive strategy has a lot of moving parts and a lot has to go right to make it work and be effective. Okay, so our quarterback drops back to throw say 30-35 times a game ... How many things can go right in this scenario? How many things can go wrong in this scenario? Remember this is college football...We don't have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady back there.
When passing the ball on the NCAA level, especially when it is the precision & timing passing that is required in the WCO, there is a pretty good chance that something can go wrong (i.e. protection bust and sack, inaccurate throw to open receiver, dropped pass, etc), or terribly wrong (i.e. pick 6, sack fumble, etc). In the case of a sack or incompletion, you have lost a down and haven't gained any yardage. This puts you in 2nd and long or 3rd and long. Incomplete pass also stops the clock, and assures that your defense will be on the field more time during the game. Or as we've seen too much this year, a bad decision or poorly thrown ball results in a turnover or a defensive touchdown for the defense.
I'll admit, when the WCO is humming along, it can be very effective and it's a lot of fun to watch ... but, when your quarterback is struggling or having an off day which happens, it gives your team almost no chance of winning, especially if your running game isn't being effective. (see loss vs. Northern Illinois)
*Run-First Offense Scenario - With a run-first option or zone read based attack, there are a lot less moving parts. Your offensive line can get into a rhythm knowing that they will be run blocking most of the game and can burst leaning forward and pushing the d-line on their heels wearing them down throughout the game. As opposed to being on our heels in pass protection for most of the game.
You establish a power running game, then the defense starts creeping up, then boom you hit them with the play action. Most of the time with a play action the receiver will be wide open, so the QB doesn't have to be a hero and fit the ball into a tight space, especially if the wind is whipping through the stadium.
I'm a big believer also in having a quarterback that can beat you with their legs. It's just one more aspect the defense has to gameplan for, and a mobile quarterback can turn a busted play into a first down or more, which can be demoralizing for the defense.
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IN CONCLUSION
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Well, I really didn't intend to write a book here in this post, but whatever...Once you start typing your frustrations, they just start flowing. And I didn't even talk about my thoughts on the defense!
Again, I really hope that Riley can turn it around here this year and I'm not rooting against him by any means. I think we learned a lot about this team and the direction of the program with the Wisconsin game and we will learn even more this Saturday with the Buckeyes coming to Lincoln.
We need to stop pretending to be something we are not and get back to the pillars of what made us a tremendous program for so many years. A dominant running game that can produce on a consistent basis is a recipe for winning football...Whatever form that might be (I-Formation, Option, Zone Read, or some combination of all 3)
LET'S GET BACK TO THAT!!!
Interested to hear your guys perspective. And if you made it through to the end of my ramblings, god bless you!
GBR!
-NEKJ
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