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The Curious Case of Isaac Gifford and the 3-3-5 defense

Isaac Gifford playing the Dover Safety position is constanlty out of position, takes terrible angles and struggles to make open field tackles.

Am I crazy to think the defense would be better if Tony White shifted from the 3-3-5 to the 3-4 and brought Gifford closer to the LOS to be the 4th LB?
Or run a more traditional 4-3 with a true WDE and put one of our back 8 on the bench.
 
His safety position is supposed to be a hybrid LB/Safety. The 3-3-5 should be pretty adaptable, if you have the guys, because you have a hybrid DE/OLB and a Hybrid LB/Safety.

But, I agree he has not played well this year and would probably have benefited from a move to LB, like Bullock.
 
If he is playing so much that means the guys behind him are worse. That’s on the coaches and if so they need to be shit canned.
The D overal is ok, but if we ran 4-3, we
Could have Butler, Nash, Ty, and Lenhardt/Williams up front, with the 3 linebackers coming from the group of Princewill/Gbayor/Sherman/Shavers/Magahee/Bullock

That would be so much better than watching Gifford take a shit angle or miss a tackle or get erased… or all of the above
 
If he is playing so much that means the guys behind him are worse. That’s on the coaches and if so they need to be shit canned.
The D overal is ok, but if we ran 4-3, we
Could have Butler, Nash, Ty, and Lenhardt/Williams up front, with the 3 linebackers coming from the group of Princewill/Gbayor/Sherman/Shavers/Magahee/Bullock

That would be so much better than watching Gifford take a shit angle or miss a tackle or get erased… or all of the above
If it’s a scheme problem, that’s on White and Rhule.
 
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In hindsight, whatever we spent on NIL to bring back some of these guys for their Covid year was not money well spent.
That's the problem I envision coming with the 105 limit. Do you retain a 5th year guy and recruit the young kid? With our results I'd say take youth versus the same old same old and struggling to be bowl eligible
 
If he is playing so much that means the guys behind him are worse. That’s on the coaches and if so they need to be shit canned.
The D overal is ok, but if we ran 4-3, we
Could have Butler, Nash, Ty, and Lenhardt/Williams up front, with the 3 linebackers coming from the group of Princewill/Gbayor/Sherman/Shavers/Magahee/Bullock

That would be so much better than watching Gifford take a shit angle or miss a tackle or get erased… or all of the above
Speaking of Princewell and Lenhardt, are they on a milk carton somewhere?
 
If it’s a scheme problem, that’s on White and Rhule.
It’s also a Rhule and White problem if they are not recruiting / developing guys that are better than our current players.

At this point, I don’t want to hear our coaches say that guys aren’t making plays. Many of these current players haven’t made plays their entire career, so that’s not a surprise. What are Rhule and White doing to recruit and develop guys to replace the underperformers?
 
Isaac Gifford playing the Dover Safety position is constanlty out of position, takes terrible angles and struggles to make open field tackles.

Am I crazy to think the defense would be better if Tony White shifted from the 3-3-5 to the 3-4 and brought Gifford closer to the LOS to be the 4th LB?
I know Gifford is the favorite whipping boy right now, and he has not played well this year. But the problems you list certainly aren't unique only to Gifford. I think Cooper may have been a bigger loss than we thought. The front 7 hasn't always impressed me at times either. I don't know if Tony White is quite the savior we all thought he was last year.
 
This is an issue IMO. These dudes were making plays early in their careers… now we don’t see them? How could they have gotten worse?
We clearly have a coaching issue.
Princewill is listed as a linebacker this year. Last year it appeared he was playing the role of a pass rushing specialist. Williams fills that role this year. Princewill I think is competing for snaps with Sherman and MacGhee. Some people want to see more MacGahee. Sherman has been pretty solid from my limited view.
 
I know Gifford is the favorite whipping boy right now, and he has not played well this year. But the problems you list certainly aren't unique only to Gifford. I think Cooper may have been a bigger loss than we thought. The front 7 hasn't always impressed me at times either. I don't know if Tony White is quite the savior we all thought he was last year.
We lost probably our best all around corner to graduation. People underestimate the effect that has had on our back end.
 
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I think a few of the defensive guys came back another year to never lose EVER. I think I heard that somewhere.
Oh and BTW, since they stopped making "Chasing 3" videos, what is that group of people doing for the program now? Probably nothing just like everyone else.
 
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Isaac Gifford playing the Dover Safety position is constanlty out of position, takes terrible angles and struggles to make open field tackles.

Am I crazy to think the defense would be better if Tony White shifted from the 3-3-5 to the 3-4 and brought Gifford closer to the LOS to be the 4th LB?
A glaring example of regression under this “developmental” staff.
 
Isaac Gifford playing the Dover Safety position is constanlty out of position, takes terrible angles and struggles to make open field tackles.

Am I crazy to think the defense would be better if Tony White shifted from the 3-3-5 to the 3-4 and brought Gifford closer to the LOS to be the 4th LB?
Just bench him. He is not good.
 
He’s playing hesitantly. Wonder if he got his bell rung and is just not going full out. He is not making any plays. Should be the smartest person on the field. He could have laid a couple hits to dislodge the ball and he just lays off.
 
He’s playing hesitantly. Wonder if he got his bell rung and is just not going full out. He is not making any plays. Should be the smartest person on the field. He could have laid a couple hits to dislodge the ball and he just lays off.
 
A glaring example of regression under this “developmental” staff.

He’s playing hesitantly. Wonder if he got his bell rung and is just not going full out. He is not making any plays. Should be the smartest person on the field. He could have laid a couple hits to dislodge the ball and he just lays off.
He was a really good player last year so not sure what's going on with him. He is playing very hesitant, especially these last few games. I won't say he sucks, as a lot of things are pinned on Hartzog and Gifford just because they are the favorite whipping boys, but we we actually have much deeper issues on defense. But he has been mediocre at best and it's hard to remember the last time he has made a play.
 
Princewill is listed as a linebacker this year. Last year it appeared he was playing the role of a pass rushing specialist. Williams fills that role this year. Princewill I think is competing for snaps with Sherman and MacGhee. Some people want to see more MacGahee. Sherman has been pretty solid from my limited view.
Oh yeah, I see those 3 all at the Jack position. Another reason to lose the 3-3-5. If we could replace Gifford with another LB we’d be better off. Gifford is not making ANY of those plays.
I’d rather have Princewill or MaGahee out there in place of Gifford.. he’s seriously regressed
 
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Oh yeah, I see those 3 all at the Jack position. Another reason to lose the 3-3-5. If we could replace Gifford with another LB we’d be better off. Gifford is not making ANY of those plays.
I’d rather have Princewill or MaGahee out there in place of Gifford.. he’s seriously regressed
At times he makes plays. Some of it is that opposing DCs attack him and Hartzog. Sometimes they get blamed for things that aren’t their mistake. I’m guilty of that. I cussed Gifford for a blown coverage on one play only to learn days later the coverage was to be handed off to a safety who didn’t get there.

I trust our linebacker and DB coach to put the best guys out there so even though he’s made some costly mistakes, I believe he’s the best we have at his spot.
 
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Isaac Gifford playing the Dover Safety position is constanlty out of position, takes terrible angles and struggles to make open field tackles.

Am I crazy to think the defense would be better if Tony White shifted from the 3-3-5 to the 3-4 and brought Gifford closer to the LOS to be the 4th LB?

Or maybe sat Gifford and the other 2 safeties beside each other on the bench.

Seriously though Singleton, Gifford and Buford have regressed. Well actually the entire secondary if we are being honest. Wright has balled out but thats about it.

Maybe the "Butler effect " wasn't a net positive.


Holla
 
I think a few of the defensive guys came back another year to never lose EVER. I think I heard that somewhere.
Oh and BTW, since they stopped making "Chasing 3" videos, what is that group of people doing for the program now? Probably nothing just like everyone else.
Another failed experiment like the single digit numbers.
 
Or maybe sat Gifford and the other 2 safeties beside each other on the bench.

Seriously though Singleton, Gifford and Buford have regressed. Well actually the entire secondary if we are being honest. Wright has balled out but thats about it.

Maybe the "Butler effect " wasn't a net positive.


Holla
I agree, I think he and White do not see eye to eye. But, I think Rhule has let Butler override DCTW.
 
Something was amiss today when I saw Rhule’s press notes about Singleton going pro, then hear 247 Mike Schaefer railing on him for his sub par performance as of late- and he lumped Gifford in also.
 
Or maybe sat Gifford and the other 2 safeties beside each other on the bench.

Seriously though Singleton, Gifford and Buford have regressed. Well actually the entire secondary if we are being honest. Wright has balled out but thats about it.

Maybe the "Butler effect " wasn't a net positive.


Holla
Losing our best CB and our DB coach has not been a positive. I really haven’t heard Butler’s name this year. I suspect he’s not going to be in Lincoln next fall.
 
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He was a really good player last year so not sure what's going on with him. He is playing very hesitant, especially these last few games. I won't say he sucks, as a lot of things are pinned on Hartzog and Gifford just because they are the favorite whipping boys, but we we actually have much deeper issues on defense. But he has been mediocre at best and it's hard to remember the last time he has made a play.
Hartzog is a scapegoat.
 
He's a kid with a big heart.
A friend of mine always says that he would rather have players with 5* hearts that play for the name on the front of their jersey and not play for themselves instead of 5* players.

Having a team full of Rudy's isn't going to win you very many games.
 
He was a really good player last year so not sure what's going on with him. He is playing very hesitant, especially these last few games. I won't say he sucks, as a lot of things are pinned on Hartzog and Gifford just because they are the favorite whipping boys, but we we actually have much deeper issues on defense. But he has been mediocre at best and it's hard to remember the last time he has made a play.
he's playing completely out of position

he's a slot zone corner being put on an island on the outside

our staff had no plan to replace Newsome and then our DB coach was fired weeks before the season started

this is not a mystery
 
Hartzog is a scapegoat.
his inability to make plays against USC's big receivers wasn't an illusion. He's just too damned small at times. He was in the right place in good coverage but he couldn't do his job defending the receiver because of his size. That's not making him a scapegoat. That's a fact. It was a terrible matchup for him.
Nope. Hartzog is 5’8”.
Mmmmm maybe he’s 5-8 in his long cleats for grass full of mud. He was easily a foot shorter than a couple of SC’s receivers.
 
Isaac Gifford playing the Dover Safety position is constanlty out of position, takes terrible angles and struggles to make open field tackles.

Am I crazy to think the defense would be better if Tony White shifted from the 3-3-5 to the 3-4 and brought Gifford closer to the LOS to be the 4th LB?
I always text a friend during games. I mentioned fairly early in this year’s decline I thought Gifford wasn’t paling well. Taking bad angles and not keeping up with receivers. This discussion confirms I wasn’t wrong. Does he lack speed needed to play the position?
 
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