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Over the last 15 years, Iowa (five) and Wisconsin (four) have combined for nine top-10 finishes. The other West Division teams have zero top-10 finishes. Over the same stretch, Wisconsin (four) and Iowa (three) combined for seven major bowl appearances. The other West Division teams have only one, and that was Illinois in 2007.
 
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I know I've had the discussion on here before but even though Iowa and Nebraska have basically had the same record since 2001 or somewhere close to that. Iowa has had the better run simply because of substance of wins.

With that said, Nebraska isn't on the level with Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, and NW. They are on the level with Iowa and Wisconsin. Every single year one of those three teams will win the West.
 
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That adds up but why go back 15 years? I think 2011 would be a good starting point. It'll still be in Iowa and wisky's favor.

Iowa fans will always start at 2002, the year they were boat raced in the Orange Bowl. Next year it'll be same article, but in the past 16 years. If we go back 15 years, might as well just go back an extra five years to 1997. 15, 20, both equally as irrelevant in today's CFB landscape.
 
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Bill_Callahan2.0 said:
That adds up but why go back 15 years? I think 2011 would be a good starting point. It'll still be in Iowa and wisky's favor.

Iowa fans will always start at 2002, the year they were boat raced in the Orange Bowl. Next year it'll be same article, but in the past 16 years. If we go back 15 years, might as well just go back an extra five years to 1997. 15, 20, both equally as irrelevant in today's CFB landscape.
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No specific reason. It just seems that's when Nebraska started on "the down hill". It's where I've seen the argument start a lot. You could start at 1998 when Kirk started for all I care. It would still be relevant because we have the same head coach.
 
SWIowahawks said:
No specific reason. It just seems that's when Nebraska started on "the down hill". It's where I've seen the argument start a lot. You could start at 1998 when Kirk started for all I care. It would still be relevant because we have the same head coach.
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I see why you like it over here, you get a platform to push your Iowa agenda without fear of being banned.
I wonder if the mods know you go over to the Iowa board and brag about how you are over here all the time putting husker fan in their place?
 
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H8FULLGR8 said:
I see why you like it over here, you get a platform to push your Iowa agenda without fear of being banned.
I wonder if the mods know you go over to the Iowa board and brag about how you are over here all the time putting husker fan in their place?[/QUOTE[/QUOTE

Everyone has an agenda. I don't find SWIowa's to be untruthful. Do you? If you do, then argue the facts not just an attack on the guy about getting banned. What did he say that was not factual. Nebraska fans have to face some reality one of these days about our relevance.
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H8FULLGR8 said:
I see why you like it over here, you get a platform to push your Iowa agenda without fear of being banned.
I wonder if the mods know you go over to the Iowa board and brag about how you are over here all the time putting husker fan in their place?
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He can say whatever he wants on his board, as long as he's respectful over here. I'd be the first to request his ban if he's not. You need to get over him being an Iowa fan. Don't like it? Don't go over to their boards.

Iowa sucks.
 
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The facts have been argued and rehashed and argued again. I am not asking anyone to be banned. Just found it interesting that he/she plays both sides of the fence.
 
SWIowahawks said:
I know I've had the discussion on here before but even though Iowa and Nebraska have basically had the same record since 2001 or somewhere close to that. Iowa has had the better run simply because of substance of wins.

With that said, Nebraska isn't on the level with Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, and NW. They are on the level with Iowa and Wisconsin. Every single year one of those three teams will win the West.
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I enjoy Iowa fan explaining to me where Nebraska is in the West division.

Please give me your thoughts on how Nebraska has been able to average second place in its division since joining the B1G in light of all the coaching changes. Additionally, what are your thoughts on Iowa averaging a third place finish since 2011 while having no changes at HC.
 
Bill_Callahan2.0 said:
That adds up but why go back 15 years? I think 2011 would be a good starting point. It'll still be in Iowa and wisky's favor.

Iowa fans will always start at 2002, the year they were boat raced in the Orange Bowl. Next year it'll be same article, but in the past 16 years. If we go back 15 years, might as well just go back an extra five years to 1997. 15, 20, both equally as irrelevant in today's CFB landscape.
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As middling as Nebraska as been since joining the B1G, neither Wisconsin nor, particularly, Iowa have been setting the world on fire.

Here are the win totals from 2011-16, including the national rank of those wins:

Wisconsin = 60 wins (10th nationally)
Nebraska = 52 wins (tied for 23rd nationally)
Iowa = 46 wins (tied for 43rd nationally)

Here are the division and conference titles from 2011-2016:

Wisconsin = 4 division titles = 2 conference titles
Nebraska = 1 division title = 0 conference titles
Iowa = 1 division title = 0 conference titles

Here are the major bowl (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Peach*, and Cotton* (*from 2014 on)) appearances from 2011-16:

Wisconsin = 3
Iowa = 1
Nebraska = 0

Here are the AP Top 10 finishes from 2011-16:

Wisconsin = 2
Iowa = 1
Nebraska = 0

The B1G is playing around with end-of-year scheduling to see what works and, given its history, to be more equitable to teams in the division.

The idea that Iowa has supplanted Nebraska over the last six seasons is not supported by the stats. Nebraska has more wins and the same number of division titles, while Iowa had one top 10 finish. Nevertheless, it's clearly time we get our sh*t together.
 
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scarletandcream said:
Bill_Callahan2.0 said:
That adds up but why go back 15 years? I think 2011 would be a good starting point. It'll still be in Iowa and wisky's favor.

Iowa fans will always start at 2002, the year they were boat raced in the Orange Bowl. Next year it'll be same article, but in the past 16 years. If we go back 15 years, might as well just go back an extra five years to 1997. 15, 20, both equally as irrelevant in today's CFB landscape.
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As middling as Nebraska as been since joining the B1G, neither Wisconsin nor, particularly, Iowa have been setting the world on fire.

Here are the win totals from 2011-16, including the national rank of those wins:

Wisconsin = 60 wins (10th nationally)
Nebraska = 52 wins (tied for 23rd nationally)
Iowa = 46 wins (tied for 43rd nationally)

Here are the division and conference titles from 2011-2016:

Wisconsin = 4 division titles = 2 conference titles
Nebraska = 1 division title = 0 conference titles
Iowa = 1 division title = 0 conference titles

Here are the major bowl (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Peach*, and Cotton* (*from 2014 on)) appearances from 2011-16:

Wisconsin = 3
Iowa = 1
Nebraska = 0

Here are the AP Top 10 finishes from 2011-16:

Wisconsin = 2
Iowa = 1
Nebraska = 0

The B1G is playing around with end-of-year scheduling to see what works and, given its history, to be more equitable to teams in the division.

The idea that Iowa has supplanted Nebraska over the last six seasons is not supported by the stats. Nebraska has more wins and the same number of division titles, while Iowa had one top 10 finish. Nevertheless, it's clearly time we get our sh*t together.
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How did Iowa do in their bowl game the year they finished in the top 10?
 
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H8FULLGR8 said:
I enjoy Iowa fan explaining to me where Nebraska is in the West division.

Please give me your thoughts on how Nebraska has been able to average second place in its division since joining the B1G in light of all the coaching changes. Additionally, what are your thoughts on Iowa averaging a third place finish since 2011 while having no changes at HC.
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Iowa has averaged a finish of 3 and Nebraska has averaged a finish of 2.83. Nebraska has finished ahead of Iowa 3 times in 6 seasons and vice versa. Wisconsin has finished much better which is why I said the three of those teams will compete each year for the division title.

I've been on record numerous times that even with a 12-2 season, Kirk averages something like 7.3-5.1 a season since 2010. I'm not ok with that. He got rid of the OC he had during that stretch and so far it looks like Brian is gonna do well. (Only 2 games).

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what I think because Kirk basically has a lifetime contract and he can pick his quit time.
 
SWIowahawks said:
Iowa has averaged a finish of 3 and Nebraska has averaged a finish of 2.83. Nebraska has finished ahead of Iowa 3 times in 6 seasons and vice versa. Wisconsin has finished much better which is why I said the three of those teams will compete each year for the division title.

I've been on record numerous times that even with a 12-2 season, Kirk averages something like 7.3-5.1 a season since 2010. I'm not ok with that. He got rid of the OC he had during that stretch and so far it looks like Brian is gonna do well. (Only 2 games).

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what I think because Kirk basically has a lifetime contract and he can pick his quit time.
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Nebraska average divisional finish 2.3333 and Iowa average divisional finish 3.2. The official record accounts for ties. You don't like it take it up with the B1G. Links provided so that you can double check the math. Enjoy the season.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iowa_Hawkeyes_football_seasons

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nebraska_Cornhuskers_football_seasons
 
Iowa has only finished ahead of Nebraska once, 2015. Nebraska finished ahead of Iowa twice, 2011 and 2012. Iowa and Nebraska have tied for second 3 times, 2013, 2014 and 2016. That's the official B1G record. Just the facts.
 
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Iowa has only finished ahead of Nebraska once, 2015. Nebraska finished ahead of Iowa twice, 2011 and 2012. Iowa and Nebraska have tied for second 3 times, 2013, 2014 and 2016. That's the official B1G record. Just the facts.
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Nebraska tied with Minnesota for 2nd in 2014 but lost the head to head so that's third. Iowa finished fourth in 2014. Iowa also beat Nebraska head to head in 2013 and 2016. Wiki and ESPN list Iowa ahead of Nebraska in conference standings even with a worse overall record. That's because head to head matters. Check your math here.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Ten_Conference_football_standings_(1959–present)
 
SWIowahawks said:
Nebraska tied with Minnesota for 2nd in 2014 but lost the head to head so that's third. Iowa finished fourth in 2014. Iowa also beat Nebraska head to head in 2013 and 2016. Wiki and ESPN list Iowa ahead of Nebraska in conference standings even with a worse overall record. That's because head to head matters. Check your math here.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Ten_Conference_football_standings_(1959–present)
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You are wrong. B1G official record states as I said above. Head to head does not matter in the divisional standings, like I said before, take it up with the B1G. I know it doesn't work for your agenda, but all you get are bragging rights for the head to head. Enjoy the bragging rights while you can, but the huskers have a better divisional finish then Iowa since 2011. Just the facts.
 
Your link supports my argument. Wherever the divisional record is equal it's a tie, sorry about my mistake in 2014, all I remember about that season is the epic Iowa meltdown.
 
SWIowahawks said:
Kind of what I'm thinking after I had to point that Nebraska "tied" with Minnesota in 2014 and not Iowa. Can't wait for the incorrect "fact" in his next post.
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Thanks for pointing out my mistake, Iowa has finished ahead of Nebraska once in 2015. Nebraska has finished ahead of Iowa 3 times 2011, 2012 and 2014. 2013 and 2016 Nebraska and Iowa tied. B1G makes the rules. Hey, Iowa gets to "claim" two co-B1G titles due to the tie rule, so I thought for sure you'd be on board.
 
There is nothing funnier than Iowa fans--with a program that has exactly 1 (ONE!) major bowl win in the past 55 years--constantly coming over to our board to crow about how great their team is.

Deep down, Iowa fans know that Hawkeye football is now--and has always been--mediocre to the nth degree. That's why they have to use such selective dates and arguments to make their pitiful claim for relevancy. Total wins, bowl wins, national championships, all-time series record head-to-head: Nebraska dominates Iowa, and it's not even close. Even during their alleged "glory era" of the past 15 years, Nebraska STILL has more total wins than Iowa and a better winning percentage. So to argue with Iowa fan, you have to understand the following perspectives:

--Iowa football began play in 2002. The previous century was either irrelevant or did not exist.

--A program's success is measured by "appearing" in a major bowl game. The fact that every single one of their 4 Rose Bowl appearances since 1960 ended in an embarrassing blowout loss is irrelevant--PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE FINAL SCORE! Their team bus arrived at each of those Rose Bowls completely unscathed, and that is all that matters.

--Living in the past is not ok when you're a Husker fan...but it's just great when you're a Hawk! That way, you can proudly pound your chest about your ONE major bowl win in the last half century--8 years ago versus Georgia Tech--without feeling at all hypocritical.

--Iowa has just completely dominated Nebraska since we entered the Big Ten, because again, certain years cease to exist in the feeble minds of Hawkeye land. It's not that the head to head series is tied at 3-3 since the Huskers joined the conference--no, no, no--it is Iowa winning 3 of the last 4, using their own highly selective start date as a frame of reference! Whenever you're tempted to laugh at Iowa fans actually bragging about having a .500 record against another team, just remember: the conference series began in 2013! Those 2011 and 2012 games you speak of--forget 'em. They never happened.

--Iowa is far, FAR more relevant than Nebraska since we joined the conference, because...uhm...they have more bowl wins? No. Because they have more conference titles? No. Because they have more total wins or a better winning percentage during that time ? Nope. Because they have a winning record against us head-to-head? No again. No, they're more relevant because...12--0 in 2015! Commemorative rings for all!

Now, you might be tempted to ask: why does the College Football Data Warehouse not show a bowl win for the Hawks that season? Or a National Championship? Or even a conference title? You'd kinda think you'd need at least one of those to pass out commemorative rings, right?

Well...erm....uh...never mind that. The Hawkeyes were undefeated in 2015, their season inexplicably ended the moment they reached 12-0, and that's all you need to know. What may or may not have happened in the conference title game or Rose Bowl that year remains an unsolvable mystery lost to the ages, like what happened to the settlers at Roanoke Island or Amelia Earhart.

--Finally, a program's relevancy is not determined by total wins or winning percentage, either within the past 15 years or historically. It is determined by conference titles (Iowa's last one was in 2004, and their last title that wasn't SHARED was in 1985) and Top 10 appearances (most of Iowa's occurred in the previous decade). But don't you dare live in the past, Husker fan--that is IOWA's domain! (Well, that and moral victories in hard fought losses where they come up "just short" of winning anything remotely significant). And don't forget: Iowa football began in 2002; otherwise, the whole "number of conference titles" and "Top 10 appearances" argument against Nebraska kind of falls apart.
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I actually used to kind of like Iowa before we joined the conference; I respected them as a solid middle-tier program that has historically got more out of their program than other comparable teams with equal or greater resources (Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, etc). Even though I always thought they were content to set the bar too low with rewarding Ferentz's annual 5 loss seasons, I thought they were a respectable foe. But their fans are completely delusional and by far the most obnoxious of any Big Ten fan base--they make Wisconsin fans collectively look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm by comparison. NEVER has a fan base that has accomplished so little crowed about so much.
 
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Thanks for pointing out my mistake, Iowa has finished ahead of Nebraska once in 2015. Nebraska has finished ahead of Iowa 3 times 2011, 2012 and 2014. 2013 and 2016 Nebraska and Iowa tied. B1G makes the rules. Hey, Iowa gets to "claim" two co-B1G titles due to the tie rule, so I thought for sure you'd be on board.
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Nope. I don't think Iowa should be able to claim 2005 because they lost the head to head against Michigan. Try again.

2002, they never played OSU and both went undefeated so what do you do there?

Listen, I'm not here downplaying Nebraska since joining the Big Ten. I'm simply defending your assertions toward Iowa. I gave more credit to Nebraska than the article.

One last thing, I'd like to believe you about how the conference views "ties" but you haven't shown anything yet. My post included Iowa finishing on top of Nebraska in years they "tied" because Iowa won head to head. Even in years Nebraska had more overall wins. Do you have a link to the official B1G page? Thanks.
 
In true statistics ties add up both positions and divide by the number of teams. So if you tie for 1st place with one team you are assigned 1.5 points. Each of the ties would count as 1.5 to make up first and second place. The next team would be getting 3 points. If you had a 3 way tie for 1st place you would each be assigned 2 points.

So in saying that. Over the last 6 years Iowa has average 3.25 while Nebraska has averaged 2.65. However there are some critical outliers. The first two years that we were in the league Iowa was atrocious. Since then They have averaged 2.5 to our 2.88 and have a huge lead during the Riley years of a 1.75 finish to our 3.5. The last two years under Riley are a pretty small sample size. Especially for a team like Iowa who has a history of yoyo up and down years.
 
Earle Townsend. said:
Iowa and Wisconsin will continue to whoop are ass until we get some more farm boys on the lines. It ain't no secret ware we are soft.
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Pelini could beat Iowa on a regular basis. It seems like we have taken a step back. More physical practices would be a step in the right direction. Banker's quote told you all you needed to know on this subject. Nebraska has more talent. Iowa has better coaching right now.
 
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SWIowahawks said:
Nope. I don't think Iowa should be able to claim 2005 because they lost the head to head against Michigan. Try again.

2002, they never played OSU and both went undefeated so what do you do there?

Listen, I'm not here downplaying Nebraska since joining the Big Ten. I'm simply defending your assertions toward Iowa. I gave more credit to Nebraska than the article.

One last thing, I'd like to believe you about how the conference views "ties" but you haven't shown anything yet. My post included Iowa finishing on top of Nebraska in years they "tied" because Iowa won head to head. Even in years Nebraska had more overall wins. Do you have a link to the official B1G page? Thanks.
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I'm going to try one last time. These are hypothetical situations, please read slowly, left to right and more than once if needed.

Situation 1 - Minnesota finishes B1G play with a record of 1-8, with that one win against Iowa. Iowa finishes 3-6. Who is ranked higher? Iowa! Get it? Minnesota gets bragging rights (not B1G sanctioned), but still finish behind Iowa.

Situation 2 - Minnesota finishes B1G play at 2-7 with one of those wins against Iowa. Iowa finishes 2-7 with wins against Rutgers and Illinois. In this case with identical records the divisional standing would be a tie. Minnesota still gets bragging rights, but that's it. It's pretty simple.

I really don't care if you understand it or not, the fact remains Iowa has averaged a third place finish in their division since 2011. I provided supporting links above.
 
supersport24 said:
Pelini could beat Iowa on a regular basis. It seems like we have taken a step back. More physical practices would be a step in the right direction. Banker's quote told you all you needed to know on this subject. Nebraska has more talent. Iowa has better coaching right now.
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Nailed it. And one side note. Iowa develops talent. Nebraska doesn't. Your S&C coaches have really sucked the meat out of your program. You are by definition 'soft' now days. One last thing, as long as Mr. Rogers is your head coach your gonna be a joke. Which you are now days.
 
Not trying to troll here fellas. You throw shade at Iowa all the time and I get it. Hope y'all can put your big boy pants on and take one persons opinion w/o getting chippy. Cheers!
 
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Not trying to troll here fellas. You throw shade at Iowa all the time and I get it. Hope y'all can put your big boy pants on and take one persons opinion w/o getting chippy. Cheers!
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Maybe you should just stay on the Iowa message boards, then you wouldn't get all chippy yourself. You don't like shade being thrown at your team, pound sand and don't come back. How's that for chippy?;)
 
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