Testing Results?

[dinglefritz]

After looking up Brad Simpson I retract my and substitute an . I didn't realize how big of a contributor he was on special teams nor the shear size of his neck. Dude looks like he's ready to crack some skulls.

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205371876

His parents have to be very proud of him.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I would have to think Eppley is not pleased with the testing. Especially when only 13 of our players scored above a level that he considers a "starting point." And none of our players scored where a pro-ready player would be.

Edit: Where the F are the upper-classmen?!! Honestly, this is an indictment of the entire Pelini regime. No wonder we got smoked whenever we came up against a team with decent talent.

 

[otismotis08]

Zlab should be a starter.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I would have to think Eppley is not pleased with the testing. Especially when only 13 of our players scored above a level that he considers a "starting point." And none of our players scored where a pro-ready player would be.

Edit: Where the F are the upper-classmen?!! Honestly, this is an indictment of the entire Pelini regime. No wonder we got smoked whenever we came up against a team with decent talent.

To be fair.... they are just getting held responsible for actually knowing where the weight room is recently.

 

[Hoosker Du]

To be fair.... they are just getting held responsible for actually knowing where the weight room is recently.

That's what I'm saying. The highest scoring players are underclassmen. Not only were we not recruiting elite athletes, but the entire weight training staff sucked.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

That's what I'm saying. The highest scoring players are underclassmen. Not only were we not recruiting elite athletes, but the entire weight training staff sucked.

Whoa there. That is not exactly the case. They had no power to hold players accountable. We had an assistant take an NFL job a few years back. Very interesting to hear the thoughts of some of those guys, and their opinions on how things were managed.

 

[headcard]

I would have to think Eppley is not pleased with the testing. Especially when only 13 of our players scored above a level that he considers a "starting point." And none of our players scored where a pro-ready player would be.

Edit: Where the F are the upper-classmen?!! Honestly, this is an indictment of the entire Pelini regime. No wonder we got smoked whenever we came up against a team with decent talent.

That's what I was saying earlier. How are guys like Bando and Gerry, who were obviously good athletes to start with and who had been here for years, nowhere to be found?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

How long have they been in the new lifting program? About 15 months or so? I would think that by the end of summer the results will be much different.

 

[noazhusker]

after reading this thread who says husker fans over-react?

 

[GretnaShawn]

That's what I was saying earlier. How are guys like Bando and Gerry, who were obviously good athletes to start with and who had been here for years, nowhere to be found?

I wonder where Gerry's numbers are lacking. Because by the look of him he seems to be in tremendous shape and looks very strong. Is it is speed? His quickness? What numbers is he lacking to not be a top performer?

 

[leodisflowers]

I wonder where Gerry's numbers are lacking. Because by the look of him he seems to be in tremendous shape and looks very strong. Is it is speed? His quickness? What numbers is he lacking to not be a top performer?

I'm interested in this as well. He looks the part, and seems to play the part out on the field physically (mentally is sometimes a challenge.)

 

[jay-cheese]

I think this is why they stopped releasing these things publicly...fans can't help but jump to conclusions and create their own narratives

GBR

 

[CheeseRunza]

To be fair.... they are just getting held responsible for actually knowing where the weight room is recently.

If that is true, it cuts to the crux of the problem. These players should not have to have their hands held. “It ain’t intramurals.” If players don’t have the self-determination, will and desire to better themselves and those around them, they probably don’t belong at a university, let alone deserve a scholarship to attend a university. The only accountability should be loss of scholarship for those who are unable or unwilling to meet the basic tenets and rules of the team, department and university. My guess is that most players were and are driven to succeed and do what is necessary to improve themselves and the team. At least that is what I would hope.

 

[HuskerDana]

Agreed. Big Play Jay was one fast mother.

.....and a great person. I worked with James and hung out with him quite a bit. At least I was still better than him at Tecmo Bowl...lol

 

[headcard]

I think this is why they stopped releasing these things publicly...fans can't help but jump to conclusions and create their own narratives

GBR

By that you mean discussing the results? And I'm pretty sure they stopped releasing them because Bill Callahan didn't care for, or have much respect for, the way his predecessors ran things. But what did they know?

 

[CC_Lemming]

I wonder where Gerry's numbers are lacking. Because by the look of him he seems to be in tremendous shape and looks very strong. Is it is speed? His quickness? What numbers is he lacking to not be a top performer?

It may be that Eppley's metrics are not good, too. Twelve years ago, when Callahan came in and Eppley was ousted, most of the talk on here was how his methodology was outdated, worked well in the 90s but was now obsolete.

Now Eppley comes in, criticizes the previous regime, offers an explanation for our failure on the field that we can all get behind because we have a tendency to vilify the previous staff and want to see the team do well, and his metrics are accepted without criticism.

Someone who knows about weightlifting more than I could comment much better, and we are not getting a complete picture with a limited view of the results. But if someone like Gerry is failing to excel, it does make you wonder what they're testing and how its being weighted.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I think this is why they stopped releasing these things publicly...fans can't help but jump to conclusions and create their own narratives

GBR

Grrrr!!! This place sucks so bad and I love it!!!

 

[Hoosker Du]

It may be that Eppley's metrics are not good, too. Twelve years ago, when Callahan came in and Eppley was ousted, most of the talk on here was how his methodology was outdated, worked well in the 90s but was now obsolete.

Now Eppley comes in, criticizes the previous regime, offers an explanation for our failure on the field that we can all get behind because we have a tendency to vilify the previous staff and want to see the team do well, and his metrics are accepted without criticism.

Someone who knows about weightlifting more than I could comment much better, and we are not getting a complete picture with a limited view of the results. But if someone like Gerry is failing to excel, it does make you wonder what they're testing and how its being weighted.

All I know is that Eppley's 'outdated' way won us 3 national titles, and Callahan's way won him a taxi ride to the airport with a pink slip in his pocket.

Athleticism is athleticism, and the more outstanding athletes you have on the field, the more often you win games.

 

[timnsun]

It may be that Eppley's metrics are not good, too. Twelve years ago, when Callahan came in and Eppley was ousted, most of the talk on here was how his methodology was outdated, worked well in the 90s but was now obsolete.

Now Eppley comes in, criticizes the previous regime, offers an explanation for our failure on the field that we can all get behind because we have a tendency to vilify the previous staff and want to see the team do well, and his metrics are accepted without criticism.

Someone who knows about weightlifting more than I could comment much better, and we are not getting a complete picture with a limited view of the results. But if someone like Gerry is failing to excel, it does make you wonder what they're testing and how its being weighted.

Does anybody know if eppley has made any changes to how he measures the athletes? With the advancements in our athletic department regarding weight training, conditioning, etc., has eppley learned a thing or two and made changes as well?

Maybe he hasn't and he thinks his system still works, I don't know.

Finally, what changed from the 90s to the 2000s and 2010s that allegedly caused eppley to fall behind?

 

[nebcountry]

A height/weight factor is applied to a result to come up with a score per the article. So, a person with factors applied could score the highest without ever being the best at any of the tests. Meaning, a RELATIVELY fast lineman could score more points than a RELATIVELY slow running back, even though the running back would beat the lineman in a 10 yd dash. I don't know the factors or the raw test results, and why any certain player would not score better than they did. Publicizing the results should provide some accountability for players and coaches alike.

 

[CC_Lemming]

Does anybody know if eppley has made any changes to how he measures the athletes? With the advancements in our athletic department regarding weight training, conditioning, etc., has eppley learned a thing or two and made changes as well?

Maybe he hasn't and he thinks his system still works, I don't know.

Finally, what changed from the 90s to the 2000s and 2010s that allegedly caused eppley to fall behind?

Good questions, and I have no idea what their answers are. I'm not sure what the criticisms of Eppley that were originally made were based on, and I worry they weren't based on anything other than the performance of Solich's teams on the field. If that's the case, that is obviously a flawed method for criticizing Eppley. I was just offering a potential explanation for the discrepancy with Gerry and the lack of upperclassmen representation. Also, if the type of lifts and methods are radically different from the Pelini regime to the Riley regime, it makes sense that the upperclassmen wouldn't have an advantage, but why they aren't are more represented is anyone's guess. I suppose another potential factor is that upperclassmen who have declared wouldn't be part of these drills and may have done quite well (e.g., Collins).

 

[CC_Lemming]

All I know is that Eppley's 'outdated' way won us 3 national titles, and Callahan's way won him a taxi ride to the airport with a pink slip in his pocket.

Athleticism is athleticism, and the more outstanding athletes you have on the field, the more often you win games.

Yeah, no disagreement from me. As I said above, I'm not sure what the initial criticism of Eppley was based off of, or whether it was even legitimate.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Yeah, no disagreement from me. As I said above, I'm not sure what the initial criticism of Eppley was based off of, or whether it was even legitimate.

Ya know, I'm not sure either. I thought the only real thing that I remember was that some of the lifts were thought to be responsible for the osteitis pubis.

I look at what his program did for the strength of our OLine and DLine. Both sides used to maul opposing players.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Whoa there. That is not exactly the case. They had no power to hold players accountable. We had an assistant take an NFL job a few years back. Very interesting to hear the thoughts of some of those guys, and their opinions on how things were managed.

Are you saying that Pelini didn't enforce mandatory attendance?. If that's the case, then it's like we thought; he wasn't the right guy for the job.

 

[CC_Lemming]

Are you saying that Pelini didn't enforce mandatory attendance?. If that's the case, then it's like we thought; he wasn't the right guy for the job.

Me? No. I was raising the possibility that S&C under Pelini focused on different lifts and would have measured performance differently relative to those lifts, as opposed to the ones Eppley prefers. So the upperclassmen may not have the advantage one would expect if the lifts and metrics are now different -- but I have no idea.

 

[dinglefritz]

Yeah, no disagreement from me. As I said above, I'm not sure what the initial criticism of Eppley was based off of, or whether it was even legitimate.

Some of the criticism was from Eppley deriving income from outside activities if I recall correctly. Some doubted his dedication to the job when in reality our problems probably were caused by poor recruiting/coaching than by his lack of attention to the conditioning program.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Me? No. I was raising the possibility that S&C under Pelini focused on different lifts and would have measured performance differently relative to those lifts, as opposed to the ones Eppley prefers. So the upperclassmen may not have the advantage one would expect if the lifts and metrics are now different -- but I have no idea.

Sorry CC, this was supposed to go to 4.6.3. Not sure how I managed to respond to your post.