Sam's article on Tommy in OWH

[Red I 73]

Great on-site as to how Husker QB deals with us Husker fans. A couple take aways... His mother attended her first Husker game in Tommy's fifth year. She didn't realize that there would be no empty seats. I don't know if she visited during Tommy's recruitment, but this just validates why the recruitment should include both parents or guardians. Second, the bond developed during the players time here is the only thing that protects these guys from our Sunday morning quarterbacking. Most of us that never played the game at this level will not understand that aspect.

 

[jay-cheese]

I'll go a step further and say that most commenters on these type of forums have likely never done one tackling drill...

GBR

 

[Jason R Ward]

I'll go a step further and say that most commenters on these type of forums have likely never done one tackling drill...

GBR

Amen

 

[TruHusker]

I'll go a step further and say that most commenters on these type of forums have likely never done one tackling drill...

GBR

That is pretty obvious by the majority of posts on here.

 

[NikkiSixx]

What a bunch of whiners.. athletes get their pick of everything.. treated like royalty all through even high school.. get any girl they want and are gonna cry because some fan doesn't like the way they played the game?

On top of that, professional athletes are paid outrageous sums of money, that in no way shape or form are representative of the athletes actual value to society, and they still cry and complain like a bunch of pre-teen girls.

I'll be glad when ESPN goes bankrupt and athletes everywhere have to take a minimum 50% pay cut. They will still be overpaid crybabies.

Whaaaaa Whaaaaa sniff sniff Whaaaaaa

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

What a bunch of whiners.. athletes get their pick of everything.. treated like royalty all through even high school.. get any girl they want and are gonna cry because some fan doesn't like the way they played the game?

On top of that, professional athletes are paid outrageous sums of money, that in no way shape or form are representative of the athletes actual value to society, and they still cry and complain like a bunch of pre-teen girls.

I'll be glad when ESPN goes bankrupt and athletes everywhere have to take a minimum 50% pay cut. They will still be overpaid crybabies.

Whaaaaa Whaaaaa sniff sniff Whaaaaaa

Ok.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

Ok.

I think what he is trying to say is you cant have your cake and eat it too. He was just being REALLY blunt

But he does have a point. If you dont want to hear criticism then dont play. No one is forcing you. You cant take the glory, which includes fine trim , and not take some of the negativity when things dont go well.

I do agree some are TOO negative and criticize too much .

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Most fans of most programs act like assholes.

I honestly could not imagine what it would be like to be a recognizable player at a big time football school. You can't go to a bar without people snapping a picture and loading it up, you can't get a freaking speeding ticket without everyone knowing and judging you, you skip class and boom, you get in trouble and everyone knows. You have a bad game and you are attacked all over the place.

I know a lot of people love yelling out "Well, they get college for free" and that is awesome but think how you would handle it. Shoot, all of us here are anonymous yet when we get called on this site we act like little bitches right away.

 

[SnohomishRed]

much of that is true and I do think players should be off limits for personal critic any comments such as " bad Attitude or lazy or no talent should be shied away from. Talking about their play on the field is fine and I believe coaches are fair game. This whole thing came up a bunch under Pelini also - that fans and players are against one another that is not true - It is true that NU is a bit different, in most places if a team had a losing season the stands would be half full and fans just would not care as much here we do. So when the team is playing poorly the players fell more negativity because the fans are still invested. It can also work the other way if the team starts playing great the fans become a major strength

 

[TruHusker]

What a bunch of whiners.. athletes get their pick of everything.. treated like royalty all through even high school.. get any girl they want and are gonna cry because some fan doesn't like the way they played the game?

On top of that, professional athletes are paid outrageous sums of money, that in no way shape or form are representative of the athletes actual value to society, and they still cry and complain like a bunch of pre-teen girls.

I'll be glad when ESPN goes bankrupt and athletes everywhere have to take a minimum 50% pay cut. They will still be overpaid crybabies.

Whaaaaa Whaaaaa sniff sniff Whaaaaaa

What a bunch of absolute crap. Does the debate kid who gets a scholarship have the same treatment? How about an engineering major who has to keep his grades and does some research? Some thing right? Gets free school, all the wonderful treatment and of course he/she gets all of the chicks/guys they want. They earned the scholarship through hard work whether music, grades, drama or sports. Because they wanted that doesn't mean they deserve idiots poking at every little thing they do. Tell me where that is written? Oh I suppose that comes with the price of buying tickets and a nice team Jersey. We don't naturally enjoy the "right" to rip people apart based on anything we think is right and the fact the school official chose to award them a scholarship. Except politicians -they deserve it. But NOT 18-21 year old kids that are working their butts off for their team and coaches
Sheez

 

[spartanhusker]

I am totally enjoying my lunch of roast beef and salad today...blessings to you all!

 

[jeans15]

In other words an Us against the world mentality is common in sports.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

I don't like reading things like this because it leaves the impression that he thinks that the fans aren't behind him. Then again, when you read threads like one on this board from this weekend, you can understand why he may think that. I hope that isn't the case. People criticized a certain former coach(and rightfully so) for creating an us against the world mentality on the team, in which the world includes the fans. Nothing excuses him for creating that kind of culture on the team, but some people apparently never consider what we as fans sometimes do to help foster that mentality.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

Whine whine whine, just not sure if I'm talking about fans, coaches, or players.

 

[Jason R Ward]

I just get annoyed when we pick apart a kid who is out there busting his butt. I try to find the good.

 

[StrongArm517]

Great on-site as to how Husker QB deals with us Husker fans. A couple take aways... His mother attended her first Husker game in Tommy's fifth year. She didn't realize that there would be no empty seats. I don't know if she visited during Tommy's recruitment, but this just validates why the recruitment should include both parents or guardians. Second, the bond developed during the players time here is the only thing that protects these guys from our Sunday morning quarterbacking. Most of us that never played the game at this level will not understand that aspect.

Her first game? That's unbelievable! Why?

 

[B1G RED RULES]

What a bunch of absolute crap. Does the debate kid who gets a scholarship have the same treatment? How about an engineering major who has to keep his grades and do some research? Some thing right? Gets free school, all the wonderful treatment and of course he/she gets all of the chicks/guys they want. They earned the scholarship through hard work whether music, grades, drama or sports. Because they wanted that doesn't mean they deserve idiots poking at every little thing they do. Tell me where that is written? Oh I suppose that comes with the price of buying tickets and a nest Jersey. We don't naturally enjoy the "right" to rip people apart based on anything we think is right. Except politicians -they deserve it. But NOT 18-21 year old kids that are working their butts off for their team and coaches
Sheez

Academic scholarships have their share of pressure. If you don't perform at a certain level of expectation, you lose it. Go play CFB and never play a down, you likely retain the scholarship all four years. Just like everything in life - there are pros and cons. Successful people manage the cons and exploit the pros.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

Great on-site as to how Husker QB deals with us Husker fans. A couple take aways... His mother attended her first Husker game in Tommy's fifth year. She didn't realize that there would be no empty seats. I don't know if she visited during Tommy's recruitment, but this just validates why the recruitment should include both parents or guardians. Second, the bond developed during the players time here is the only thing that protects these guys from our Sunday morning quarterbacking. Most of us that never played the game at this level will not understand that aspect.

I'm sure the wrestling team would die to get the positives and negatives of the football team. I'm sure they would love all those fans who have never been taken down on a mat to comment to their hearts content like Monday morning wrestling coaches.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I don't like reading things like this because it leaves the impression that he thinks that the fans aren't behind him. Then again, when you read threads like one on this board from this weekend, you can understand why he may think that. I hope that isn't the case. People criticized a certain former coach(and rightfully so) for creating an us against the world mentality on the team, in which the world includes the fans. Nothing excuses him for creating that kind of culture on the team, but some people apparently never consider what we as fans sometimes do to help foster that mentality.

Yep!

Sadly, the fans usually start the problems too.

 

[big red22]

[QUOTE="Truehuskerfan, post: 2925096, member: 3044"]I don't like reading things like this because it leaves the impression that he thinks that the fans aren't behind him. Then again, when you read threads like one on this board from this weekend, you can understand why he may think that. I hope that isn't the case. People criticized a certain former coach(and rightfully so) for creating an us against the world mentality on the team, in which the world includes the fans. Nothing excuses him for creating that kind of culture on the team, but some people apparently never consider what we as fans sometimes do to help foster that mentality.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but he continues to make the same mistakes over, and over, and over again. There was an article in the paper that said Reilly pulled Nick Gates for two 15 yard penalties, as well as Carlos Davis.

Why are Quarterbacks immune from this? I'm not saying pull him every time a mistake is made, but when you are in a situation like we were and he throws that pick in the endzone. His ass should of been pulled from the game for a series.

Just like everything in life if you make a mistakes, there should be consequences. That is the only way you learn from things. If my son runs into the street and almost gets hit by a car. I'm gonna let him know that I love him, but he is gonna get punished so he will think twice before making that mistake again.

Not taking him out after that bone head play, and then later immediately pulling Gates and Davis after their bone head plays.... To me that just doesn't seem right, and what happens is a resentment for one another. You can't punish a lineman for making a mistake and then let your quarterback make one mistake after another.

If Tommy throws another interception like he did against Wyoming, they need to sit him for a series or 2 to let him think about it.

You get what I'm sayin' here? There is nothing Tommy has to worry about if makes mistakes, so why should he care?

 

[Huskers_Rule]

[QUOTE="Truehuskerfan, post: 2925096, member: 3044"]I don't like reading things like this because it leaves the impression that he thinks that the fans aren't behind him. Then again, when you read threads like one on this board from this weekend, you can understand why he may think that. I hope that isn't the case. People criticized a certain former coach(and rightfully so) for creating an us against the world mentality on the team, in which the world includes the fans. Nothing excuses him for creating that kind of culture on the team, but some people apparently never consider what we as fans sometimes do to help foster that mentality.

I'm sorry, but he continues to make the same mistakes over, and over, and over again. There was an article in the paper that said Reilly pulled Nick Gates for two 15 yard penalties, as well as Carlos Davis.

Why are Quarterbacks immune from this? I'm not saying pull him every time a mistake is made, but when you are in a situation like we were and he throws that pick in the endzone. His ass should of been pulled from the game for a series.

Just like everything in life if you make a mistakes, there should be consequences. That is the only way you learn from things. If my son runs into the street and almost gets hit by a car. I'm gonna let him know that I love him, but he is gonna get punished so he will think twice before making that mistake again.

Not taking him out after that bone head play, and then later immediately pulling Gates and Davis after their bone head plays.... To me that just doesn't seem right, and what happens is a resentment for one another. You can't punish a lineman for making a mistake and then let your quarterback make one mistake after another.

If Tommy throws another interception like he did against Wyoming, they need to sit him for a series or 2 to let him think about it.

You get what I'm sayin' here? There is nothing Tommy has to worry about if makes mistakes, so why should he care?[/QUOTE]

Show me where another coach is pulling his QB. It's the one position you just can't pull back and forth. Normally if you ever get the chance to get pulled twice you lost the job.

 

[huskerj12]

What a bunch of whiners.. athletes get their pick of everything.. treated like royalty all through even high school.. get any girl they want and are gonna cry because some fan doesn't like the way they played the game?

On top of that, professional athletes are paid outrageous sums of money, that in no way shape or form are representative of the athletes actual value to society, and they still cry and complain like a bunch of pre-teen girls.

I'll be glad when ESPN goes bankrupt and athletes everywhere have to take a minimum 50% pay cut. They will still be overpaid crybabies.

Whaaaaa Whaaaaa sniff sniff Whaaaaaa

Honest question: Did you read the article? He said he DOESN'T let fans reactions bother him and just ignores it. Which, according to your post, is exactly how he should deal with it.

 

[TruHusker]

Academic scholarships have their share of pressure. If you don't perform at a certain level of expectation, you lose it. Go play CFB and never play a down, you likely retain the scholarship all four years. Just like everything in life - there are pros and cons. Successful people manage the cons and exploit the pros.

Comparing the pressure of grades to playing football at a P5 school is apples and oranges. No one is watching every single paper you turn in and every test you take. They don't put those on national TV.

Things happen along the way in a four year sports scholarship. Injuries, changes in coaches, just don't get it done but it is rare.

 

[Jason R Ward]

[QUOTE="Truehuskerfan, post: 2925096, member: 3044"]I don't like reading things like this because it leaves the impression that he thinks that the fans aren't behind him. Then again, when you read threads like one on this board from this weekend, you can understand why he may think that. I hope that isn't the case. People criticized a certain former coach(and rightfully so) for creating an us against the world mentality on the team, in which the world includes the fans. Nothing excuses him for creating that kind of culture on the team, but some people apparently never consider what we as fans sometimes do to help foster that mentality.

I'm sorry, but he continues to make the same mistakes over, and over, and over again. There was an article in the paper that said Reilly pulled Nick Gates for two 15 yard penalties, as well as Carlos Davis.

Why are Quarterbacks immune from this? I'm not saying pull him every time a mistake is made, but when you are in a situation like we were and he throws that pick in the endzone. His ass should of been pulled from the game for a series.

Just like everything in life if you make a mistakes, there should be consequences. That is the only way you learn from things. If my son runs into the street and almost gets hit by a car. I'm gonna let him know that I love him, but he is gonna get punished so he will think twice before making that mistake again.

Not taking him out after that bone head play, and then later immediately pulling Gates and Davis after their bone head plays.... To me that just doesn't seem right, and what happens is a resentment for one another. You can't punish a lineman for making a mistake and then let your quarterback make one mistake after another.

If Tommy throws another interception like he did against Wyoming, they need to sit him for a series or 2 to let him think about it.

You get what I'm sayin' here? There is nothing Tommy has to worry about if makes mistakes, so why should he care?[/QUOTE]
Good idea take the leader of the team away and give away a couple series in the game. Sounds about right. If Tommy were getting personal fouls for 15 yards 3 or 4 times in a game then I would maybe slightly agree with a seat on the bench.

 

[Jason R Ward]

Honest question: Did you read the article? He said he DOESN'T let fans reactions bother him and just ignores it. Which, according to your post, is exactly how he should deal with it.

He apparently is smarter than the Negative posters on the board. He does not even acknowledge they exist which is good.

 

[big red22]

Good idea take the leader of the team away and give away a couple series in the game. Sounds about right. If Tommy were getting personal fouls for 15 yards 3 or 4 times in a game then I would maybe slightly agree with a seat on the bench.

Yes... you take him out of the game... If we don't have a competent back up then fine leave him in... Fyfe is plenty capable of running a series or 2

You are insinuating that Tommy's mistake is not a big deal. In the grand scheme of things it's bigger, it was not only a momentum swinger it directly cost us points. So yes you take his ass out, it costs us games!

 

[Jason R Ward]

Yes... you take him out of the game... If we don't have a competent back up then fine leave him in... Fyfe is plenty capable of running a series or 2

You are insinuating that Tommy's mistake is not a big deal. In the grand scheme of things it's bigger, it was not only a momentum swinger it directly cost us points. So yes you take his ass out, it costs us games!

I'm wondering how Urban Meyer and Nick Saben have not picked up on this brilliant idea of setting out there quarterback after every bad play they make. You might be on to something. Who would have went in at Purdue when fife was getting lit up and throwing multiple picks leading to a blowout to a ONE WIN team in Purdue.

 

[big red22]

I'm wondering how Urban Meyer and Nick Saben have not picked up on this brilliant idea of setting out there quarterback after every bad play they make. You might be on to something. Who would have went in at Purdue when fife was getting lit up and throwing multiple picks leading to a blowout to a ONE WIN team in Purdue.

Obviously you didn't read the part of my first post when I said "Don't take him out for "every" mistake".

The part you seem to be missing here is that Saban has never had a quarterback in recent memory that would make the throw that Tommy seems to make day in and day out. He never learns, and I think that comes down to not having any type of repercussions for doing it.

UMMM and Urban wouldn't do it? Hey smart guy did you watch last year? It was practically a different quarterback every series <- yes an exaggeration, but he play 3 different quarterbacks last year

 

[Jason R Ward]

Obviously you didn't read the part of my first post when I said "Don't take him out for "every" mistake".

The part you seem to be missing here is that Saban has never had a quarterback in recent memory that would make the throw that Tommy seems to make day in and day out. He never learns, and I think that comes down to not having any type of repercussions for doing it.

UMMM and Urban wouldn't do it? Has smart guy did you watch last year? It was practically a different quarterback every series <- yes an exaggeration, but he play 3 different quarterbacks last year

If your saying that if Tommy goes out against Oregon and implodes for 3 picks in the first half and gets sat down, I'm all for it. One pick Wyoming no way.

 

[Jason R Ward]

Obviously you didn't read the part of my first post when I said "Don't take him out for "every" mistake".

The part you seem to be missing here is that Saban has never had a quarterback in recent memory that would make the throw that Tommy seems to make day in and day out. He never learns, and I think that comes down to not having any type of repercussions for doing it.

UMMM and Urban wouldn't do it? Hey smart guy did you watch last year? It was practically a different quarterback every series <- yes an exaggeration, but he play 3 different quarterbacks last year

I would also like to add. How do you know there are no repercussions? In my playing days the practice field was where that took place. Praise in public, punish in private. Basic leadership.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Honest question: Did you read the article? He said he DOESN'T let fans reactions bother him and just ignores it. Which, according to your post, is exactly how he should deal with it.

Not really, I just skimmed it and used a big spoon.. Heck, I even put a smiley at the end

 

[steelclaw]

First world problems.

 

[noazhusker]

What a bunch of whiners.. athletes get their pick of everything.. treated like royalty all through even high school.. get any girl they want and are gonna cry because some fan doesn't like the way they played the game?

On top of that, professional athletes are paid outrageous sums of money, that in no way shape or form are representative of the athletes actual value to society, and they still cry and complain like a bunch of pre-teen girls.

I'll be glad when ESPN goes bankrupt and athletes everywhere have to take a minimum 50% pay cut. They will still be overpaid crybabies.

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WTF are you doing on here but whining!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaa Whaaaaa get a life

 

[Hoosker Du]

I'll go a step further and say that most commenters on these type of forums have likely never done one tackling drill...

GBR

I bet most of us have been involved in football in high school or college, but I'm betting very few have played D1 football.

 

[bigboxes]

I bet most of us have been involved in football in high school or college, but I'm betting very few have played D1 football.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Last night.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

I just hope if the WTB(wet-the-bed) Tommy shows up that the coaches have a plan for managing the issue instead of pissing into the wind and stubbornly sticking to the gameplan, assuming the gameplan is asking Tommy to actually make decisions in the passing game.

 

[saluno22]

I feel this clip from The Program (1993) belongs here (sorry, couldn't find a video clip):

Regent Chairman: This is not a football vocational school. It's an institute for higher learning.
Coach Winters: Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a damn chemistry experiment? Why don't you stick the bow-tie up your ass?

 

[CC_Lemming]

I don't like reading things like this because it leaves the impression that he thinks that the fans aren't behind him. Then again, when you read threads like one on this board from this weekend, you can understand why he may think that. I hope that isn't the case. People criticized a certain former coach(and rightfully so) for creating an us against the world mentality on the team, in which the world includes the fans. Nothing excuses him for creating that kind of culture on the team, but some people apparently never consider what we as fans sometimes do to help foster that mentality.

You are probably referencing the thread I made, and I agree completely with your post. My intent was not to rip or tear down TA but to express some reservations I had mostly with respect to play calling and his decision making. He still has my support and I wish him the best. That is not incompatible with offering criticism (every coach does both).

I try to keep any criticism I offer in perspective too. The point is not to disparage but point to out flaws that can be fixed, given my very novice eye. I do not feel entitled to much as a fan and don't understand those that do. I think we'd all do well to remember just how hard football can be, especially at the QB position.

 

[TruHusker]

Comparing 15 yard personal foul penalties and interceptions are not comparable. Ask most any coach. Difference between physical and mental mistakes.

Saban doesnt play freshme QB's. His concern is they will struggle and he doesnt want their confidence destroyed early in their careers.

Urban had a rare opportunity with that may QB's with different skills. Certainly notanorm for most schools.

 

[GBRhuskers]

Nice to read that his mother and sister finally got to watch him play. I hope his mom can make it back for senior day.