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Sam nailed it, RE: RB/OL playing time

Tommy may not look at, or hit the short, wide open, middle of field receivers, but he does throw the long ball bomb extremely well. It's as good a a punt, no chance of a squib or block, and if intercepted, add excitement to his game. Go deep Tommy!


I know you're being sarcastic, but I've read this stuff before and never agreed with it. Tight spiral doesn't mean it's a well thrown ball. His deep throws are thrown up for grabs just like all his short throws.
 
Fyfe is even worse, hate to say it. He was awful in his start. It's a ceiling vs floor thing. Tommy has to be Bad Tommy to be as bad as Fyfe. The answer is not on campus right now. If they had a better QB they would play him.

Do you not think that a QB with exactly one career start would have more potential to improve than a 3 year starter? If Fyfe had three years of starting, he would be insanely better than Tommy. His arm and his touch are WAY better.
 

Nothing is good enough for the fans? Is 5-7 good enough for you? By rule it's not good enough for a bowl. Prob. 3rd worst season in NU history. Schemes SHOULD be questioned. Do you just want us to shut up and not care? What do you want to hear "Riley is the greatest coach there ever was" " He's gonna bring us back" "I love him"

Happy now? What a joke.

Hahaha. This is exactly the kind of emotional response I'm talking about.

What exactly about the scheme do you question? Did we alter it for Tommy? Yes. Did we alter it a lot for Tommy? Yes. Did we try different guys at RB and get carries to the FB? Yes. Did we call more runs later in the year against certain opponents? Yes. Did we make a couple changes at OL (e.g., ZS sliding in to play guard)? Yes. Did we try and get the ball into the hands of our best skill position (i.e., WR)? Yes. The list is long. Our coaches tried lots of things to maximize our talent. That's a fact. It's just not a reality that lots of people want to acknowledge because while many of the changes helped we still finished 5-7. I'm perfectly fine with discussing facts so long as we discuss all of them.
 
How about we do what should have been done last spring or during fall camp...get in Tommy's grill every fking time he throws the ball deep into double or triple coverage, when there is a receiver running wide open 5-15 yards down the field? You don't allow the guy to play his brand of schoolyard football the entire season, which does nothing to improve his decision making throughout the year.

If you don't think our staff is working tirelessly with Tommy on decision making there isn't much more to discuss. We don't have a better option behind him.
 
Do you not think that a QB with exactly one career start would have more potential to improve than a 3 year starter? If Fyfe had three years of starting, he would be insanely better than Tommy. His arm and his touch are WAY better.
You must be looking at something different than the rest of us when he has played. Fyfe is not a freshman, he's been there for years and had every shot at the job. He can't win it. He's been pretty bad when he has played. Starting experience might help to calm him down, but it's not like he's been Joe Ganz when he has gotten chances. He's not an answer.
 
You must be looking at something different than the rest of us when he has played. Fyfe is not a freshman, he's been there for years and had every shot at the job. He can't win it. He's been pretty bad when he has played. Starting experience might help to calm him down, but it's not like he's been Joe Ganz when he has gotten chances. He's not an answer.

Something WAY different. Fyfe has a 'way stronger' arm than Tommy? Umm no.
 
Something WAY different. Fyfe has a 'way stronger' arm than Tommy? Umm no.

Re-watch some Purdue film if you can. The short passes were like handoffs from Fyfe. On time and on the money, giving the receivers a chance to run with the ball......which is the exact opposite of what Tommy does. Hovey was 100% responsible for one interception. He had both hands on the ball. The last interception was bad luck. It was a slant, that was thrown about 3 feet behind him, which was batted up in the air by the receiver. That is rare. Tommy's misses are more like 5 yards off, rather than 3 feet. Another interception, he intended to throw away, and did a poor job of doing so. With experience, I am more confident he will learn that than I am Tommy who still throws the ball straight up in the air as if he was playing 500 at least twice a game.
 
Re-watch some Purdue film if you can. The short passes were like handoffs from Fyfe. On time and on the money, giving the receivers a chance to run with the ball......which is the exact opposite of what Tommy does. Hovey was 100% responsible for one interception. He had both hands on the ball. The last interception was bad luck. It was a slant, that was thrown about 3 feet behind him, which was batted up in the air by the receiver. That is rare. Tommy's misses are more like 5 yards off, rather than 3 feet. Another interception, he intended to throw away, and did a poor job of doing so. With experience, I am more confident he will learn that than I am Tommy who still throws the ball straight up in the air as if he was playing 500 at least twice a game.

I agree that Fyfe threw some reasonably accurate short-range passes in the game, and generally speaking, that Tommy has horrendous decision making abilities. That being said, I don't agree that Fyfe is a better option nor has he been at any given time. Finally, there is no question that Tommy has a stronger arm and it's not close. Does the strength of his arm help much overall? Not really. Just setting the ready straight as I see it.
 
If you don't think our staff is working tirelessly with Tommy on decision making there isn't much more to discuss. We don't have a better option behind him.

I think the results of this year will speak volumes to Tommy. There is no doubt that he is a competitor, and as such he knows that he is responsible for a lot of this mess. I think he would be a lot more willing to listen when he knows he let his teammates down to the tune of 5-7.
 
I think the results of this year will speak volumes to Tommy. There is no doubt that he is a competitor, and as such he knows that he is responsible for a lot of this mess. I think he would be a lot more willing to listen when he knows he let his teammates down to the tune of 5-7.

Listen about a position change, like Braxton Miller?
 
Sorry, Beav…this is just getting ridiculous.

Nothing is good enough for fans right now - and I guess that includes you as well.

We pass? Run more. We run more? Not the right runs. Not the right players. Not the right concepts. Nothing these guys try is 'right' in the eyes of fans right now.



I agree. But the coaches have to do what is best for the team. I'm fine with starting POB if he is ready but he has to be ready. One also has to consider that he isn't ready, struggles, and it shatters his confidence as a young guy who doesn't even know where Hamilton Hall is yet.

Tommy knows where Hamilton Hall is ... unfortunately he frequently throws a pass straight to the defender standing directly in front of Hamilton Hall. A QB without situational awareness/vision? If that's our best option, let's ride. We'll see how much development happens in the offseason....
 
Statistically this team is an 8-3 team...we STARTED 50 different players...played a tough non-con schedule, ran through two top 10 teams and multiple top 20 teams. And were in every game, and had the lead in some until the final seconds. We outplayed a possible playoff team, and beat a probable playoff team. We nearly won a game when down by 24 in the fourth quarter. Statistically we had an EXTREMELY unlucky season. We had the same chance to go undefeated, as go 5-6...as the only toss up win was Michigan state, and all losses except for Purdue could be considered toss up losses. Statisticians talk about (+/-) and we have one of a top tier team in our division.
 
Statistically this team is an 8-3 team...we STARTED 50 different players...played a tough non-con schedule, ran through two top 10 teams and multiple top 20 teams. And were in every game, and had the lead in some until the final seconds. We outplayed a possible playoff team, and beat a probable playoff team. We nearly won a game when down by 24 in the fourth quarter. Statistically we had an EXTREMELY unlucky season. We had the same chance to go undefeated, as go 5-6...as the only toss up win was Michigan state, and all losses except for Purdue could be considered toss up losses. Statisticians talk about (+/-) and we have one of a top tier team in our division.
This is one intelligent and open minded Human on the beach. GBR
 
I think right now in this offense experience reigns supreme. We don't have a QB good enough to make up for a lack of experience so we rely on the option of experience because nothing this season can trump it.
 
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