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Sam nailed it, RE: RB/OL playing time

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"I am not a coach and I am not an NFL general manager, but I find it hard to believe Nebraska’s best runners — and, for that matter, run blockers — are always in the game. I’ve watched Devine Ozigbo enough this season to genuinely wonder why he’s on the bench while others grind out mediocre 3-yard runs. Ozigbo told reporters a few weeks ago he needed to finish runs better to play more. I like how Ozigbo starts runs by eluding defenders while also running upfield. Riley and Langsdorf will play every wideout and tight end on the roster, but the most gifted runner may be on the bench and two others — Mikale Wilbon and Adam Taylor — are nonfactors. If Newby and Cross were dominant runners, it’d be more understandable, but they’re not. I also suspect NU has offensive linemen who could be excellent run blockers but don’t play much because they’re working on pass blocking."

I love Cross, seems like a hard worker and team player. However, he would not get meaningful playing time (outside of goal line situations) for most top 50-60 teams. I also love how Sam points out that DL gets scared of the running game after 1 or 2 runs get stuffed, but he is willing to throw it 45 times in bad weather when Tommy keeps throwing horrendous interceptions.........
 
Did any backup OL really play at all this year? With three seniors on the line graduating I don't want to hear any excuses about the line struggling next year due to inexperience. I don't think Cavanaugh is like Barney Cotton in that he will make excuses...but it sure would have been nice to get our backups some more game reps this year.
 
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Did any backup OL really play at all this year? With three seniors on the line graduating I don't want to hear any excuses about the line struggling next year due to inexperience. I don't think Cavanaugh is like Barney Cotton in that he will make excuses...but it sure would have been nice to get our backups some more game reps this year.
you don't remember? Coach Cav made a big stink about not rotating the OLine.. so there will be little carry over next year.
 
They need to just start O'Brien right out of the gate next year and stop the BS. You've seen over and over and over who they are when the chips are down. So I don't wanna see your impression of a running team any more with your little one or two options plays a game.

So go all in with what you want to do, and let me see how well you can do it for the next 3-4 years so we know what we have. So long as Langsdorf is the OC, this is what you will get. Every time it gets a little tough to grind it out on the ground, he's gonna take to the skies. So fine. Put your passing QB in there on day one with your little slot WR playing RB in Newby, and let's see how you can do chucking that pig.

Because you either don't know run game or you won't commit to it, even with a QB who is a good runner and a garbage passer.
 
They need to just start O'Brien right out of the gate next year and stop the BS. You've seen over and over and over who they are when the chips are down. So I don't wanna see your impression of a running team any more with your little one or two options plays a game.

So go all in with what you want to do, and let me see how well you can do it for the next 3-4 years so we know what we have. So long as Langsdorf is the OC, this is what you will get. Every time it gets a little tough to grind it out on the ground, he's gonna take to the skies. So fine. Put your passing QB in there on day one with your little slot WR playing RB in Newby, and let's see how you can do chucking that pig.

Because you either don't know run game or you won't commit to it, even with a QB who is a good runner and a garbage passer.

If we want to go 5-7 again POB will be our man. He could end up being a good one...but next year is going to be very ugly again if POB is our starter. Another sub .500 year for Riley and things will get ugly.
 
They need to just start O'Brien right out of the gate next year and stop the BS. You've seen over and over and over who they are when the chips are down. So I don't wanna see your impression of a running team any more with your little one or two options plays a game.

So go all in with what you want to do, and let me see how well you can do it for the next 3-4 years so we know what we have. So long as Langsdorf is the OC, this is what you will get. Every time it gets a little tough to grind it out on the ground, he's gonna take to the skies. So fine. Put your passing QB in there on day one with your little slot WR playing RB in Newby, and let's see how you can do chucking that pig.

Because you either don't know run game or you won't commit to it, even with a QB who is a good runner and a garbage passer.
This is a great post - I agree 100% these guys are never going to change they have a pass first mindset and this year they did not play the best RB's or maybe even the best run blocking linemen because of it

I say they just need to quit pretending and try and do something really well since they like the pass so much start a passing QB at least that gives us a shot
 
If we want to go 5-7 again POB will be our man. He could end up being a good one...but next year is going to be very ugly again if POB is our starter. Another sub .500 year for Riley and things will get ugly.
I would prefer that then to have perpetual 6-8 win seasons - did we not hire this guy to take us to the next level - if that is the case he needs a passing QB whether that QB is a freshman or not - Other teams seem to do ok with freshmen starting at QB why not us
 
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If we want to go 5-7 again POB will be our man. He could end up being a good one...but next year is going to be very ugly again if POB is our starter. Another sub .500 year for Riley and things will get ugly.

You're deep into the Stockholm Syndrome with this post. This is a team looking at the potential for 5-8, and you DON'T want a change at QB?

It's classic "definition of insanity" to believe they'd do any better with Armstrong at QB. You are talking about a guy who is 2nd in the nation for most INTs, and has gotten lucky to have several more picks dropped. That was his 3rd year as a starter we just watched.

The TV announcers the last few games have just ripped his mechanics and they've been dead right. As a 3rd year starter, you are stepping in the bucket and/or throwing off the back foot on practically EVERY throw. He's a gunslinger who gets tunnel vision and starts thinking TD on every play. He doesn't know he can't make the perfect throw on every play.

He has the perfect mentality for a runner and a disastrous mentality for a passer. As a Bears fan, it's like Cutler all over again, having to hear about how much talent he has vs how stupidly he plays because he thinks he can make every throw. Will he be good this game, or will he chuck 3 of the dumbest picks you've ever seen this game? Watch and find out!
 
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They need to just start O'Brien right out of the gate next year and stop the BS. You've seen over and over and over who they are when the chips are down. So I don't wanna see your impression of a running team any more with your little one or two options plays a game.

So go all in with what you want to do, and let me see how well you can do it for the next 3-4 years so we know what we have. So long as Langsdorf is the OC, this is what you will get. Every time it gets a little tough to grind it out on the ground, he's gonna take to the skies. So fine. Put your passing QB in there on day one with your little slot WR playing RB in Newby, and let's see how you can do chucking that pig.

Because you either don't know run game or you won't commit to it, even with a QB who is a good runner and a garbage passer.

Sorry, Beav…this is just getting ridiculous.

Nothing is good enough for fans right now - and I guess that includes you as well.

We pass? Run more. We run more? Not the right runs. Not the right players. Not the right concepts. Nothing these guys try is 'right' in the eyes of fans right now.

It's classic "definition of insanity" to believe they'd do any better with Armstrong at QB. You are talking about a guy who is 2nd in the nation for most INTs, and has gotten lucky to have several more picks dropped. That was his 3rd year as a starter we just watched.

I agree. But the coaches have to do what is best for the team. I'm fine with starting POB if he is ready but he has to be ready. One also has to consider that he isn't ready, struggles, and it shatters his confidence as a young guy who doesn't even know where Hamilton Hall is yet.
 
You're deep into the Stockholm Syndrome with this post. This is a team looking at the potential for 5-8, and you DON'T want a change at QB?

It's classic "definition of insanity" to believe they'd do any better with Armstrong at QB. You are talking about a guy who is 2nd in the nation for most INTs, and has gotten lucky to have several more picks dropped. That was his 3rd year as a starter we just watched.

The TV announcers the last few games have just ripped his mechanics and they've been dead right. As a 3rd year starter, you are stepping in the bucket and/or throwing off the back foot on practically EVERY throw. He's a gunslinger who gets tunnel vision and starts thinking TD on every play. He doesn't know he can't make the perfect throw on every play.

He has the perfect mentality for a runner and a disastrous mentality for a passer. As a Bears fan, it's like Cutler all over again, having to hear about how much talent he has vs how stupidly he plays because he thinks he can make every throw. Will he be good this game, or will he chuck 3 of the dumbest picks you've ever seen this game? Watch and find out!

As a previous thread of mine pointed out...Quarterbacks typically are very bad under Riley in their first year...after that, things do tend to get better. I would expect TA to improve next year with another year in the system under his belt...do I expect him to be Big Ten All caliber? No. On the flip side...if we decide to start POB under center don't be surprised to see him throw more interceptions than touchdowns.
 
As a previous thread of mine pointed out...Quarterbacks typically are very bad under Riley in their first year...after that, things do tend to get better. I would expect TA to improve next year with another year in the system under his belt...do I expect him to be Big Ten All caliber? No. On the flip side...if we decide to start POB under center don't be surprised to see him throw more interceptions than touchdowns.
This is right on the money. Also, Tommy does have the skills to be all Big Ten caliber with good decision making. I think a lot of coaches fear him (just like they feared TMart) because if he makes good decisions both in the throwing and running game he can be very, very good. I am not sure there are any other Big 10 quarterbacks (with the exception of the kid from OSU) that coaches fear.
 
This is right on the money. Also, Tommy does have the skills to be all Big Ten caliber with good decision making. I think a lot of coaches fear him (just like they feared TMart) because if he makes good decisions both in the throwing and running game he can be very, very good. I am not sure there are any other Big 10 quarterbacks (with the exception of the kid from OSU) that coaches fear.

He may not run, but you only said that puts fear into big ten coaches. Connor Cook is legit, and is scarier than Tommy. All you have to do is play sound defense and wait for Tommy to make a mistake.
 
You're deep into the Stockholm Syndrome with this post. This is a team looking at the potential for 5-8, and you DON'T want a change at QB?

It's classic "definition of insanity" to believe they'd do any better with Armstrong at QB. You are talking about a guy who is 2nd in the nation for most INTs, and has gotten lucky to have several more picks dropped. That was his 3rd year as a starter we just watched.

The TV announcers the last few games have just ripped his mechanics and they've been dead right. As a 3rd year starter, you are stepping in the bucket and/or throwing off the back foot on practically EVERY throw. He's a gunslinger who gets tunnel vision and starts thinking TD on every play. He doesn't know he can't make the perfect throw on every play.

He has the perfect mentality for a runner and a disastrous mentality for a passer. As a Bears fan, it's like Cutler all over again, having to hear about how much talent he has vs how stupidly he plays because he thinks he can make every throw. Will he be good this game, or will he chuck 3 of the dumbest picks you've ever seen this game? Watch and find out!

Now if you want to go the POB route and say start him to early to get him ready for 2-3 years down the road...I can see that. But, I hope fans are ready for this offense to be ugly next year if he is handed the keys. And I just dont think Riley/Langsdorf have that luxery after this year. They did not buy themselves much time. Below are the first year stats for four NFL QB's under Riley....1. POB may not end up being NFL type talent...2. Even if he is NFL type talent, history says under Riley he will likely struggle out of the gates.

Passing
Rk
Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1 Derek Anderson 261 510 51.2 4058 8.0 6.8 24 24 124.1

Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1 Matt Moore 211 355 59.4 2711 7.6 5.8 11 19 123.1

Passing
Rk
Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1 Sean Canfield 165 286 57.7 1661 5.8 4.1 9 15 106.4

Passing
Rk
Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1 Sean Mannion 305 473 64.5 3328 7.0 6.0 16 18 127.1
 
He may not run, but you only said that puts fear into big ten coaches. Connor Cook is legit, and is scarier than Tommy. All you have to do is play sound defense and wait for Tommy to make a mistake.
I don't know about that. In the Big Ten alone he is 8th in completion percentage. He is 4th in yardage. And he is 2nd in qb rating. When you add the fact that he averages about two rushing yards a game, I'm not sure coaches are all that fearful of him.
 
This is right on the money. Also, Tommy does have the skills to be all Big Ten caliber with good decision making. I think a lot of coaches fear him (just like they feared TMart) because if he makes good decisions both in the throwing and running game he can be very, very good. I am not sure there are any other Big 10 quarterbacks (with the exception of the kid from OSU) that coaches fear.


Not one single coach anywhere fears TA. That's beyond ridiculous. In fact they probably sit around asking themselves when they are watching film and scouting us, "Is that the best QB they have, seriously"?
 
I also love how Sam points out that DL gets scared of the running game after 1 or 2 runs get stuffed, but he is willing to throw it 45 times in bad weather when Tommy keeps throwing horrendous interceptions.........

Pretty much sums up why I stopped reading what he prints. DL chucks it up because Westerkamp, Reilly, Moore, Morgan and Carter are bigger threats than Cross and Newby. This isn't rocket science, the second Ameer Abdullah played his last game in a Husker uniform is the day our WR's became the best threats of all skilled positions for the 2015 season.

No doubt about it that Langsdorf, Cavanaugh and Davis have some work to do this off-season for better run production in 2016.
 
As a previous thread of mine pointed out...Quarterbacks typically are very bad under Riley in their first year...after that, things do tend to get better. I would expect TA to improve next year with another year in the system under his belt...do I expect him to be Big Ten All caliber? No. On the flip side...if we decide to start POB under center don't be surprised to see him throw more interceptions than touchdowns.

This is the same conversation people have where they think Bo should have stayed just because they suck with Riley as coach. The next guy not being perfect doesn't mean the current guy is right for the job.

Armstrong is not a passing QB. Never gonna be. Langsdorf is not a QB run game OC. Never gonna be. What you have there is a bad marriage.

Sure, we can send them to counseling and they might get along well enough for another year even though they don't love each other any more. But history tells us to bet against them. When you put stress on a bad marriage, the cracks start to show and they fight. When you put stress on a bad offense, the cracks start to show and they turn the ball over.

To quote Louis C.K., nobody ever gets divorced at exactly the right time. They always stay too long. We've seen enough to know that TA is the wrong guy for that offense. And that has NOTHING to do with whether or not POB wins the Heisman as a true freshman.

Frankly I don't care if they go 7-5 or 5-7. They're both crappy. Both zero-trophy years. Both gonna get the coach fired if they keep happening. If you're right and POB has one bad year in his future, then I want that year out of the way ASAP so we can get to the good ones.
 
Not one single coach anywhere fears TA. That's beyond ridiculous. In fact they probably sit around asking themselves when they are watching film and scouting us, "Is that the best QB they have, seriously"?
That's not true. I bet he scares the shit out of all the coaches on that east sideline in Lincoln.
 
I don't know about that. In the Big Ten alone he is 8th in completion percentage. He is 4th in yardage. And he is 2nd in qb rating. When you add the fact that he averages about two rushing yards a game, I'm not sure coaches are all that fearful of him.

Are you high? Connor Cook a legit first round QB strikes less fear in the hearts of coaches then Tommy Armstrong?

Who is your dealer, he clearly has the hook up for the good shit.
 
Pretty much sums up why I stopped reading what he prints. DL chucks it up because Westerkamp, Reilly, Moore, Morgan and Carter are bigger threats than Cross and Newby. This isn't rocket science, the second Ameer Abdullah played his last game in a Husker uniform is the day our WR's became the best threats of all skilled positions for the 2015 season.

No doubt about it that Langsdorf, Cavanaugh and Davis have some work to do this off-season for better run production in 2016.
Agree there. I think you can also add "If they had a QB who could get it to them better, they'd play him."
 
Winning cures all of this. Let's get a guy in here that can execute the offense style our current coaches prefer. I swear we are the worst school in all of college football that last 10 years at QB depth. I can't tell ya the last time that we had two good QB's on the roster (Frazier & Berringer????). We need great, not good, QB play in order to make championship games...
 
Coaches observe 90% more than a fan does on the skills and capabilities of players and based on that make decisions on who's playing and not playing.

The talent cupboard isn't full at Nebraska when it comes to a passing offense, neither are we when it comes to running the ball.

I'll continue this rant with the lack of defensive talent.

Who does this point to ...
 
This is the same conversation people have where they think Bo should have stayed just because they suck with Riley as coach. The next guy not being perfect doesn't mean the current guy is right for the job.

Armstrong is not a passing QB. Never gonna be. Langsdorf is not a QB run game OC. Never gonna be. What you have there is a bad marriage.

Sure, we can send them to counseling and they might get along well enough for another year even though they don't love each other any more. But history tells us to bet against them. When you put stress on a bad marriage, the cracks start to show and they fight. When you put stress on a bad offense, the cracks start to show and they turn the ball over.

To quote Louis C.K., nobody ever gets divorced at exactly the right time. They always stay too long. We've seen enough to know that TA is the wrong guy for that offense. And that has NOTHING to do with whether or not POB wins the Heisman as a true freshman.

Frankly I don't care if they go 7-5 or 5-7. They're both crappy. Both zero-trophy years. Both gonna get the coach fired if they keep happening. If you're right and POB has one bad year in his future, then I want that year out of the way ASAP so we can get to the good ones.
Unless the QB gets considerably better we will not have a winning record next year either - I just do not see TA progressing in his decision making and I do not see the coaches progressing in theirs as well

Next year we play

Oregon
@Northwestern
@Indiana ( good offense)
@wisc
@OSU
@Iowa

and of course we could lose to Illinois again and also to Minnesota - This program and staff needs to take some big chances or make some major scheme change or next year could be uglier than this year
 
Unless the QB gets considerably better we will not have a winning record next year either - I just do not see TA progressing in his decision making and I do not see the coaches progressing in theirs as well

Next year we play

Oregon
@Northwestern
@Indiana ( good offense)
@wisc
@OSU
@Iowa

and of course we could lose to Illinois again and also to Minnesota - This program and staff needs to take some big chances or make some major scheme change or next year could be uglier than this year


It's a good thing we have a legit D1 QB or we could be in for a long season, next season.
 
If that happens-"next yr could be uglier than this yr"-than I must say that 9 wins looks pretty good....

GBR
 
This why NU has to divorce themselves from TA. It's a bad marriage. Bad mechanics and tunnel vision pee-snap is a bad combo. Oh, and did I mention he throws into double and triple coverage all the time.

Most every ball this legit D1 QB throws is up for grabs. He is incapable of throwing somebody open or throwing a ball while the receiver is making his break (same thing I guess) or to place a ball where only our guy can get it. I'd hate to see how bad a QB who isn't a legit D1 QB, would look.
 
Most every ball this legit D1 QB throws is up for grabs. He is incapable of throwing somebody open or throwing a ball while the receiver is making his break (same thing I guess) or to place a ball where only our guy can get it. I'd hate to see how bad a QB who isn't a legit D1 QB, would look.


I think you are being generous to say a legit D1 QB.

He just happens to be the best NU has today. That is very sad.

That is why NU needs a new QB for next and beyond. I don't care if it is POB or a juco xfer.

In defense of TA though, he does hit a few open WRs. They usually are uncovered with a 10 yard cushion on all angles, but I did some of that this year.

NU is a 10 win team this year with a legit, mediocre D1 QB.

We beat MSU and we were in the game against Iowa with 4 pics by TA.

Both are currently in the top 5. One is set to get a invite to the college football playoff. This is one reason I feel a little optimism going forward.
 
Sorry, Beav…this is just getting ridiculous.

Nothing is good enough for fans right now - and I guess that includes you as well.

We pass? Run more. We run more? Not the right runs. Not the right players. Not the right concepts. Nothing these guys try is 'right' in the eyes of fans right now.


Nothing is good enough for the fans? Is 5-7 good enough for you? By rule it's not good enough for a bowl. Prob. 3rd worst season in NU history. Schemes SHOULD be questioned. Do you just want us to shut up and not care? What do you want to hear "Riley is the greatest coach there ever was" " He's gonna bring us back" "I love him"

Happy now? What a joke.
 
This is right on the money. Also, Tommy does have the skills to be all Big Ten caliber with good decision making. I think a lot of coaches fear him (just like they feared TMart) because if he makes good decisions both in the throwing and running game he can be very, very good. I am not sure there are any other Big 10 quarterbacks (with the exception of the kid from OSU) that coaches fear.

Tommy started three years. He does not have much more room for improvement. He has reached his ceiling.....and it is not acceptable for a team that wants to win championships. He needs to switch positions and let POB and Fyfe fight it out. That would be best for the team. Fyfe was easily as good in his only start as Tommy was in his last start. I would argue better. Fyfe didn't throw any balls up with no clue of who he was even throwing to. Fyfe is light years better at the short passes. We need to throw more short passes in this offense. Fyfe would have thrown to Carter on 4th and 1, rather than the 40 yard bomb.
 
Sorry, Beav…this is just getting ridiculous.

Nothing is good enough for fans right now - and I guess that includes you as well.

We pass? Run more. We run more? Not the right runs. Not the right players. Not the right concepts. Nothing these guys try is 'right' in the eyes of fans right now.



I agree. But the coaches have to do what is best for the team. I'm fine with starting POB if he is ready but he has to be ready. One also has to consider that he isn't ready, struggles, and it shatters his confidence as a young guy who doesn't even know where Hamilton Hall is yet.

How about we do what should have been done last spring or during fall camp...get in Tommy's grill every fking time he throws the ball deep into double or triple coverage, when there is a receiver running wide open 5-15 yards down the field? You don't allow the guy to play his brand of schoolyard football the entire season, which does nothing to improve his decision making throughout the year.
 
I think you are being generous to say a legit D1 QB.

He just happens to be the best NU has today. That is very sad.

That is why NU needs a new QB for next and beyond. I don't care if it is POB or a juco xfer.

In defense of TA though, he does hit a few open WRs. They usually are uncovered with a 10 yard cushion on all angles, but I did some of that this year.

NU is a 10 win team this year with a legit, mediocre D1 QB.

We beat MSU and we were in the game against Iowa with 4 pics by TA.

Both are currently in the top 5. One is set to get a invite to the college football playoff. This is one reason I feel a little optimism going forward.
I have to agree with your posts. Also the World Herald articles over the weekend, were spot on in their evaluation of the qb problems IMO > It may seem harsh when they speak of TA taking it too a 5th grade playground level, but he does. ...IMO she showed improvement of the coaching; mostly earlier in the season ; but then he reverts to what he wants and always has at least a quarter bad streak. I have heard people wondering if Iowa paid him he was so bad. .... We didn't alternate to give him instruction when he started to suck in a game. All the things with listening to coaches he said he is now willing to do; he just had the benefit of - he goes back to his playground way; it must be so frustrating to the coaches. We should use him situationally next year; but develop the next guy. ... Plenty of freshman do well; but we should juice up recruiting and give it to whoever.... Did TA walk out of practice like some were hinting at? Was it because others were in the rotation ( POB and Fyfe )? Were coaches pulling him when he ignored rotations and did his half moon playground move ?......... Someone put freshman qb stats under Riley above; but didn't show TA's - Im thinking 3 of 4 may have done better - AT OSU !!!!!! TA created head games by party, heading into this last game we valued and gave a disastrous performance that brought writers referring to grade school level - and I was overhearing couldn't start at my middle school comments. He didn't follow coaching; throwing into double and what developed into triple coverage during his scrambling. .... Doesn't get it; these are qb coaches the NFL would snap up - I am grateful for the highlights TA has given us; but want spot play from him and other qb's developed. Nice he says he may start to listen now; but he reverts and then its horror; he can earn it all, but should have to, isn't that what its about ?
 
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Fyfe is even worse, hate to say it. He was awful in his start. It's a ceiling vs floor thing. Tommy has to be Bad Tommy to be as bad as Fyfe. The answer is not on campus right now. If they had a better QB they would play him.
 
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Tommy may not look at, or hit the short, wide open, middle of field receivers, but he does throw the long ball bomb extremely well. It's as good a a punt, no chance of a squib or block, and if intercepted, add excitement to his game. Go deep Tommy!
 
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