Rule change proposed to deal with fake injuries
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How can they prove it though?
I think the only plausible way to fix this is if a player goes down with injury and it stops the game, that player can’t come back in for a specified number of plays.
I think the only plausible way to fix this is if a player goes down with injury and it stops the game, that player can’t come back in for a specified number of plays.
As a high school football official, when it comes to injuries, stop play/clock. Let medical professionals evaluate.
We make an average of $65 per game. Not worth a lawsuit if we question if a student/athlete is faking.
We do a talk-to for coach who is telling his players to lay down that is unsportsmanlike, but again, we won't question any injury. Not worth it to us.
We make an average of $65 per game. Not worth a lawsuit if we question if a student/athlete is faking.
We do a talk-to for coach who is telling his players to lay down that is unsportsmanlike, but again, we won't question any injury. Not worth it to us.
Feels like a slippery slope. It'll only take one. One time they call it faking and the player was really hurt and the shit will hit the fan.
Although making the player sit out for a specific number of plays if their "injury" causes clock stoppage would be the only fair way to do it, I don't think it will help. 100% chance there is at least one player on the field that has a sub that can step in at about the same level, so you're willing to risk that slight (if at all) drop in performance for a few plays to gain the upside of the stopped clock.
Easy solution. If you are injured and need medical staff on the field, that player must sit out the remainder of the series. Now, it won’t prevent putting in a backup and having them fake an injury, but that would definitely draw attention to the coach. I’d also like them to do away with a player having to sit out a play when there helmet comes off.
I don’t think it is as much of a slippery slope as it seems. Throwing a flag would not mean an official is the one administering or giving medical attention on the field. They would only be making a judgment decision on whether a play resulted in an injury. Officials make judgment decisions all game long. I ref BB and do that.
There are obvious plays where an injury occurs. There are plays where it is unknown. No flag would be thrown in those situations. It is the obvious situations where a play is over and a player runs around not knowing whether to head to the sideline to be substituted or stay in for the next play. After about 5 seconds, the player just drops to the ground. That is obvious delaying. Easy judgment call. The player still is able to get medical attention from the team staff.
There are obvious plays where an injury occurs. There are plays where it is unknown. No flag would be thrown in those situations. It is the obvious situations where a play is over and a player runs around not knowing whether to head to the sideline to be substituted or stay in for the next play. After about 5 seconds, the player just drops to the ground. That is obvious delaying. Easy judgment call. The player still is able to get medical attention from the team staff.
It should be if a player is injured or faking an injury, he isn’t allowed to come back into play until the next possession the next time the other team has possession.
This situation mostly happens on the defense side of the football..
This situation mostly happens on the defense side of the football..
Some coaches will always look for an angle. I know of a well known HS basketball coach who taught his players to push the opponent next to him into the free throw lane when the other team shot free throws. It nullified the shot for going into the lane too early.
What I see happening here is players losing their helmets on a play and having an "equipment issue" to stop the clock.
Yes there’s flaws but it would help and it would happen less. Teams can’t afford to lose 3 players in a possession especially in today’s transfer portal era, depth is hard to come by. I also think it should be a specific numbers of plays that have to sit out, not just the remainder of the possession. That way they can’t strategically do it on a 3rd down in the red zone when they know the possession is almost over.
Disagree, if you allow them to come back in after 3 plays someone else is going to flop..
If they have to sit out a whole possession that makes it a world of difference..
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Who was it that we played a few years ago a player got hurt maybe like 6 or 7 times. His dad was the coach and on the final one the med staff was out there trying to treat him and his dad yelled at him “get up” and by the power of god he went from near death to running of the field.
Look if you go down twice in a game, and need medical staff you probably need to be forced to sit the rest of the game
Look if you go down twice in a game, and need medical staff you probably need to be forced to sit the rest of the game
I recommend removing any language regarding a "fake injury." In this age of "player safety" being what it is, sensible rules can be established and still stop the Lane Kiffins of CFB from flopping players.
1) if a player goes down with an injury:
a) he must sit for a minimum of four plays*.
* All game plays count toward the four plays; special teams, offense or defense. False starts or plays that result in the down being replayed do not count toward the four plays.
b) when the player comes back in the game, the coach and/or player must notify the referees.
* Failure to notify the referees will result in a 10-yard penalty or a 10-second game clock run-off - opposing teams choice.
c) if the same player goes down with a second injury, he will not be permitted to finish the half or the game depending upon when thr injury occurs.
d) if the same player goes down with a third injury, he must sit out for the remainder of the game.
I'm still trying to determine a way to incorporate the unsportsmanlike aspect of the flop/injury fiasco.
1) if a player goes down with an injury:
a) he must sit for a minimum of four plays*.
* All game plays count toward the four plays; special teams, offense or defense. False starts or plays that result in the down being replayed do not count toward the four plays.
b) when the player comes back in the game, the coach and/or player must notify the referees.
* Failure to notify the referees will result in a 10-yard penalty or a 10-second game clock run-off - opposing teams choice.
c) if the same player goes down with a second injury, he will not be permitted to finish the half or the game depending upon when thr injury occurs.
d) if the same player goes down with a third injury, he must sit out for the remainder of the game.
I'm still trying to determine a way to incorporate the unsportsmanlike aspect of the flop/injury fiasco.
It’s always 1 in a million plays but when your on the goal line trying to score and your QB helmet gets knocked off you have to bring in a cold backup or burn a time out
How about if they have an injure that appears to be faked then they can’t re enter the game until the next half… if they go down at a critical point in the fourth, for example at some point with under 5 minutes to go in a game that is within a TD, they can not re enter the game period, or your team can choose to take a personal foul penalty.
B1G refs already make calling the easy stuff look like splitting the atom
More litigation/subjective rules won’t help
Sounds like a stupid idea, which means I assume odds of it passing are very good
More litigation/subjective rules won’t help
Sounds like a stupid idea, which means I assume odds of it passing are very good
If you literally cannot walk off the field on your own you need to sit out the rest of the half to permit further physical injury.
That would stop a lot of fake injuries.
You have a cramp even? Better hobble off
Subjective rules are dumb.
It is literally as simple as, "If play has to stop and you need helped off the field, you cannot come in the rest of the series". It will improve things 95% and is simple and easy with no judgement calls.
It is literally as simple as, "If play has to stop and you need helped off the field, you cannot come in the rest of the series". It will improve things 95% and is simple and easy with no judgement calls.
“Another reason the committee opted against the coaches’ proposal to sit a player for a drive is that they didn’t want a player who is injured to try to play through that injury.”
NCAA rules committee proposes timeout penalty to deter faking injuries
NCAA rules committee proposes timeout penalty to deter faking injuries
You’re a fkn moron who obviously hasn’t played a sport. Ya you can hobble of the field with a severe cramp? Fkn idiot.
Further clarification of the proposed rule change: "Committee members, who met in Indianapolis this week, recommended that if medical personnel enter the field to evaluate an injured player after the ball is spotted by the officiating crew for the next play, that player's team would be charged a timeout. If the team does not have any timeouts remaining, a 5-yard delay-of-game penalty would be assessed." So, the timeout or delay of game penalty would be assessed only in situations where medical personnel enter the field after the ball is spotted for the next play.
Changes to injury timeouts proposed by Football Rules Committee
Furthermore, according to the article linked below, in those situations the timeout or delay of game penalty would be automatically assessed, which means that it would not be a judgment call by the officials.
How the NCAA rules committee plans to curb feigned injuries as concerns grow over hot-button issue
Changes to injury timeouts proposed by Football Rules Committee
Furthermore, according to the article linked below, in those situations the timeout or delay of game penalty would be automatically assessed, which means that it would not be a judgment call by the officials.
How the NCAA rules committee plans to curb feigned injuries as concerns grow over hot-button issue
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