You should've stopped.
The only way he will leave Nebraska is if Mike Riley is not the coach when he signs his letter of intent. Otherwise, he is all in on Nebraska.
Not a word about Keith Williams. All Mike Riley, 100%, just like I said.
Recruiting - the Williams effect
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You should've stopped.
The only way he will leave Nebraska is if Mike Riley is not the coach when he signs his letter of intent. Otherwise, he is all in on Nebraska.
Not a word about Keith Williams. All Mike Riley, 100%, just like I said.
Nebraska needs to maintain athletic facilities that are minimum top 5 in the county and have recruiting classes consistently in the top 15 to get back to an elite program. Our location obviously puts us at a disadvantage but a football program that generates the kinda cash we do, it can be done!
Spare me. Those are my thoughts.
Re: Grim left during the DUI period? Like Grim wasn't going to leave no matter what? Laughable. He's already flaked out again with Washington State. You have zero evidence that the DUI had anything to do with Grim. Re: Calvin. The resident expert Nate Clouse has called Calvin's recruitment strange from jump street. I'll take his word on that, and once again, you have no evidence Calvin's actions are related to the DUI. None. Show me commentary from a single WR recruit that relates to his DUI and how it changed their opinion of him or Nebraska.
Did it impact the team in some ways? Sure. No question. But I don't personally believe we would have seen significantly different results without his mistake. You call injuries or shit QB play an excuse; I call those facts on the ground. By the end of the year we had WRs walking off the field shaking their heads routinely. Let's get a couple years of legit QB play, which we haven't had since Zac Taylor, and then talk about the WR group.
I'm not suggesting you wanted to fire him. Rather, I'm pointing out that Williams is considered to be an excellent coach and a great recruiter by elite coaching peers in the game. We are lucky to have him at Nebraska.
If you selectively quote things you can make your position sound awesome.
KJSr selecting the words Williams had just used on Twitter to describe how a Wideout wishing to fly should select a teacher. Williams deserves some credit for his recruitment of KJJr. He helped secure his commitment.
Then tell me why so many of the "top recruiters" that we have previously had, have bolted after a year or two of recruiting to Nebraska? Many of them left and took similar positions at other schools many of which are located in fertile recruiting grounds and MUCH EASIER TO RECRUIT TOO!
1. Corey Raymond 2. Charlton Warren 3. Terry Joseph are the 3 best recruiters Nebraska has had in the past 5 years in my book. John Papuchis was good until they made him DC. All were not here more than a year or two at most and bounced! Ill give you Rich Fisher, who did recruit some decent talent here.
You and everyone else in your group think.
Grim left when Williams wasn't around. That's a fact. You can argue against it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact. Would Grim had stayed if Keith didn't get his 3rd DUI? More than likely, but that's speculation.
Calvin publicly stated the DUI had impacted his recruiting.
Same QB in 2015, the WR position sure didn't have the same issues then. But hey, in 2016 it was different because, ya well, because Archie said so!
Rich Fisher was probably one of the more effective coaches we've had who message board jockeys derided as a second rate golf coach.
Don't forget Vince Marrow. Probably a better recruiter than all three of those guys.
Selective quotes? Goodness man, you're something else.
"My son wouldn't be at Nebraska if it wasn't for Mike Riley" <-----Keyshawn Johnson Sr.
"Wideouts deserves credit too, look at this tweet" <------ Archie
I mentioned Rich Fisher. Once he started bringing in some talent, the 9 hole golf pro started to earn some respect amongst us message board jockeys. I did totally forget Vince Morrow. I'd add him to that list too, but he left more so because Bo or the University wouldn't find a place for him on staff.
You just keep coming back for more.
“I might switch up (the official visit schedule),” Calvin told Rivals. “I don’t know any more especially after the news (Sunday) with coach (Williams) getting arrested. That affected my decision.”
Let me guess, a quote directly from the recruit himself, isn't direct evidence.
I would guess the KWilliams legal problems have affected recruitment for at least some players. KWilliams plea hearing date is now set for Febr 22nd. And since I had to go take care of something midpost, GBRhuskers is providing info.
When DWilliams was hired, the buzz revolved around his recruiting ability. We'll have to wait and see unfortunately what that means to NU specifically. I am pleased that recruiting ability was considered for employment.
I'll be honest, I didn't read the article. I think I'm done with hype and fool's hope. Please don't take that as a personal attack on anybody, it's my general frustration with a program stuck in the mud for years.
When DWilliams was hired, the buzz revolved around his recruiting ability. We'll have to wait and see unfortunately what that means to NU specifically. I am pleased that recruiting ability was considered for employment.
I'll be honest, I didn't read the article. I think I'm done with hype and fool's hope. Please don't take that as a personal attack on anybody, it's my general frustration with a program stuck in the mud for years.
Selective quotes? Goodness man, you're something else.
"My son wouldn't be at Nebraska if it wasn't for Mike Riley" <-----Keyshawn Johnson Sr.
"Wideouts deserves credit too, look at this tweet" <------ Archie
Where is the popcorn emoji?
Corey Raymond went to his alma matter.
Charlton Warren?
He screwed himself over, Nebraska didn't lose him. Terry Joseph, that's one.
John Garrison trumped all three at Nebraska, he didn't go anywhere. Pap didn't go anywhere till he was fired. Same with Rich Fisher. Those are the top 6 recruiters Pelini had during his time, 3 left and 3 stayed. One could also say Barney Cotton recruited at a higher level than the 3 you mentioned.
Who do people consider Riley's best recruiters?
Bray, he hasn't left, yet.
KWilliams, he hasn't left, yet.
DWilliams, TBD.
Grim was leaving. DUI had zero to do with it. He told his family he wasn't comfortable at Nebraska from the beginning. No speculation is necessary.
True. Calvin did make one comment. I'm not aware of any others. Did Calvin eliminate us or did Nate Clouse recently say he thinks we land Calvin?
What issues, exactly? What did you see in 2015 vs. 2016 that leads you to believe Williams deserves blame? How can those things be attributed to coaching and not year long injuries to 3/5 major contributors?
Shit man. The guy got a DUI and that was a huge mistake. Otherwise, he's an incredibly well respected teacher and recruiter.
Selective quotes? Goodness man, you're something else.
"My son wouldn't be at Nebraska if it wasn't for Mike Riley" <-----Keyshawn Johnson Sr.
"Wideouts deserves credit too, look at this tweet" <------ Archie
Tweet? You mean a statement from Keyshawn Johnson Sr. about how he wanted his son to learn from Williams?
Did you even read it?
Yep, just a coincidence Williams kept him from leaving at semester but somehow couldn't when he was in jail. Or shortly thereafter.
Of course it's true, everything I've posted in here is true. No idea what Clouse thinks on Calvin, I already stated earlier in this thread I think we land him in a few weeks.
Lack of separation was the biggest issue this year. Route running was spotty. Body control was disappointing. He's the coach of that position group, a group that many considered top 2 in the B1G heading in to the season. And they didn't perform near as close as they did in 2015. Yes, Tommy is to blame as well, but he also was their QB in 2015 when the three above aspects were obviously improved.
Yes, a huge mistake. Yes, he is well respected, but that doesn't mean someone can't have concern while saying he has a lot riding on the 2017 class.
It's a tweet Archie, which is also a statement. The two are the same.
You believe what you want, I'll continue to believe the truth. And the truth is; according to the source himself, Keyshawn Johnson Senior, his son wouldn't be at Nebraska if it wasn't for Mike Riley. He also said if Mike Riley [not Keith Williams] isn't at Nebraska when his son signs papers, he wouldn't sign them.
LMAO. He couldn't keep form leaving because he was in jail? Could you be any more dramatic? Grim was leaving. Period. He is on record saying that he no longer believed in Riley's vision of him in the offense, didn't feel he would get early PT, and didn't ever feel comfortable at Nebraska. Now he has flaked out again with WSU.
Cool. He made a huge mistake, owned it, and may very well still land one of the prospects that has been high on our board from jump street.
Tough call, man. I watched all of our games more than once and we had plenty of WRs open...and wide open. Perhaps you're right, and some of the nuance in their game wasn't as good as last year, but it was plenty good enough to perform extremely well if we had a QB that could consistently make a pre-snap read, go through progressions, and deliver accurate passes routinely; I think w see that next year with Lee.
The source himself also said that he wanted his son to learn from Williams.
I'm not even sure what you are ragging on about. We agree that Riley was the most important piece of the puzzle. I'm simply suggesting that Williams was also a part of the recruiting effort that eventually led to his commitment. KJSr. also expressed his support for Williams and his teachings, after getting the chance to known him, as a reason that he felt comfortable sending his kid to Nebraska. Did Riley set it up on a tee? Of course. But Williams did his part as well.
You can "LMAO" all you want. The fact remains, Keith Williams kept Grim from transferring at semester [which I can link], and Grim ended up leaving either when Williams was in jail or suspended. I can't recall which.
Yep, still doesn't mean someone can't have concern.
Lack of separation, route running, and body control aren't because of Tommy Armstrong. Talk about "LMAO", that most definitely applies here, wow!
Link it up if you wish. It doesn't change the fact that Grim's departure had zero to do with the DUI.
Never said you couldn't be concerned. I responded to your concerns.
Never said that they were. Non-starter.
I didn't deny that.
It's irrelevant who the WR coach is, Mike Riley single handily landed KJJ. If Mike was gone, KJJ wouldn't sign with Nebraska. Senior said it, without saying a word about Williams. As I said, Williams could be at Alabama [or any other school in the country] with Riley at Nebraska & KJJ is signing with Nebraska.
It's alright Archie, you thought you had something & you don't.
Actually, that's exactly what I thought I had (what you did not deny). So we agree.
Looks like it was on the radio, based on a HM response, so I'm unable to link it. Unlikely, maybe. Zero, unlikely. Regardless, I'll surrender the reason of his departure. It doesn't change the fact he left.
"I think this response is freaking crazy".
Except you did, "Perhaps you're right, and some of the nuance in their game wasn't as good as last year, but it was plenty good enough to perform extremely well if we had a QB that could consistently make a pre-snap read, go through progressions, and deliver accurate passes routinely"
Oh boy.
he deserves some of the credit for KJJr as well. KJSr publicly talked about Wideouts throughout the entire recruiting process. I think it's very hard to make the argument you are making. It was a dual-coach effort on him.
Most accurate assessment in this thread!! Why would a recruiter want to live on a plane and miss their kids growing up. If it's in your backyard youll choose that 9 out if 10 times. Plus, you do t have to work as hard and pro ably better money in SEC country.
Neb is a stepping stone for big time recruiters, plain and simple.
To be clear, I don't honestly think your response is crazy or that you're crazy. I'm typing like I'm chatting with another husker fan who is killing beers with me and we are choosing language in a casual way. Are you pissed off because of that opening line?
Ok. I'll choose my words more carefully next time. So let's clear this up and put it to bed: Riley was the most important person involved for KJJr; however, Williams did his part to ensure that the initial relationship/contact was not squandered. Fair enough?
I guess I don't understand why this is the coach your seem to be concerned about. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, so let me ask, are you most concerned about Williams over any other on staff?
Nothing on a message board would or will piss me off. I've said my peace, you ran in circles, time to move on.
Side question: why are so so opinionated about the alleged 'group think tank' I participate in? You comment about it a lot.
This thread is about Williams, and that's why my response was about Williams. This thread isn't about other coaches on the staff, or I would've commented on them as well. I've also expressed concern about Davis and Cav as well. @jflores can verify that, we've had a few separate discussions regarding Davis and I believe Cav too.
No, I'm not most concerned over Keith. My list would be, first and foremost, [1] Davis, [2] Cav - add distance - [3] Stewart/K Williams. Keith can ease my concern by nailing the 2017 class. It's very important for him to close out strong.
I deal with it daily at work, it's like he's untouchable because of the access he's allowed. And that's exactly what your initial response was, untouchable defense.
I skipped over this for some dumb reason.
I'm not interested in a play on words. What I do know is, without Mike Riley we wouldn't have KJJ. The same can't be said about KW.
How you choose to interpret it is up to you.
Do you think that KJJ was going to Oregon St if Riley was still there?
I believe that if Nebraska had a WR coach that Senior didn't approve of, Junior would have went elsewhere. So while KW may not have brought him in the door, he is definitely key (no pun intended) in getting him committed. So indirectly we have Junior because KW as an acceptable coach to Senior, in other words, without KW, it's possible Junior is elsewhere.
I do agree that Junior isn't at Nebraska if Pelini is coach and KW is WR coach.
No. KJS said Oregon State would've never happened, because he didn't see OSU with a chance of winning anything. KJS also said just the opposite about Nebraska.
I strongly disagree about a different WR coach. Seniors faith is in Mike Riley, the offense he runs and the results he believes Riley has had with WR's, which is indirectly as a head coach or coordinator but not as position coach.
Thanks. And you don't have to post name of others to present your history. You seem like a completely reasonable-minded poster; our disagreement aren't typically all that significant.
Got it. All I tried to do was contrast aspects of your post I didn't agree with, as as you have seen, I certainly agree with parts of what you are saying. It wasn't a whole-clothe rejection of your comments; though, next time I'll be more precise with my introductory comment. I'm not citing any information that wasn't public, i,e., I'm not trying to tell you you don't know what you are talking about because 'person X' so deal with it. So I don't think you need to be so aggressive on that front. But now I have a better understanding of why you are defensive about it.
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It's all irreleventbbecause Williams was here and Junior is coming to Nebraska. Just curious
I actually think part of what you are asking for is not possible. You put your eggs in one basket, top five facilities. There would be constant construction and planning just to stay in the ballpark. It is not even possible. It is like technology, the best one day and second rate the next.
While it would be nice to have the top 15 classes, they aren't going to happen with facilities alone. So how much cash do we soon out?
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