Recruiting class still in the 40's

[big red22]

It's not just that.

The Rivals ranking gives a point total for number of commits and their grade. BUT, does anyone honestly believe that NU ends up looking like some other teams in the top 20? For example:

Penn St. (15): 11 commits from 4*
South Carolina (19): 11 commits from 4*
UCLA (13): 3 commits from 5*, 9 Commits from 4*
Oklahoma (14): 14 commits from 4*

NU is listed with 5 commits from 4*. We really expecting another 6 kids to commit who are 4* or better? We expecting even ONE 5* kid? FSU has 5. Four other teams have 4 of them.

I think Riley's staff is doing better than the previous staff, and maybe they really rise by signing day. But as of right now, they are not getting it done on a level that turns them into a Top-10 team.

Beav... I agree with 99.9% of your posts, but not this one.

Rivals stars matter to a certain extent, but the five 5* recruits to Florida is on the other end of the spectrum. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the five kids are fantastic players and have a great chance to do well in their futures. Where it is exaggerated is in the fact that they are all 5*s.

Here is why I think this star rating system is off on so many levels

1. 29 of the top 50 recruits on the Rivals 100 are from TX/FL/CA... Sorry don't buy it. Yeah they may have a much larger population, but these websites base their judgments on camps in these states.

2. Michigan and Ohio have huge population and tons of talent yet they have 2 kids in the top 50 in the Rivals 100. There is no way that every year TX/CA/FL have that many more elite players. These sites don't go everywhere they go down south and check out the camps. Then give their token midwest guy a nod... See Baker S. he was all hype, good player but 5* I wouldn't go that far

3. This is where I'm going with all this. So yeah I think the 5*s are good players, I don't think they are any better then a Matt Farinok out of SD. Rivals evaluations are based on perception and locations of camps. The difference between rankings 1 and 50 is marginally different that of a 25 and 26

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Wait...Are we back on the old "stars don't matter" thing? I thought we got off of that when Riley came in and started off hot with recruiting.

 

[TheBeav815]

Beav... I agree with 99.9% of your posts, but not this one.

Rivals stars matter to a certain extent, but the five 5* recruits to Florida is on the other end of the spectrum. Do get me wrong I'm sure the five kids are fantastic players and have a great chance to do well in their futures. Where it is exaggerated is in the fact that they are all 5*s.

Here is why I this Star Ratings are off on so many levels

1. 29 of the top 50 recruits on the Rivals 100 are from TX/FL/CA... Sorry don't buy it. Yeah they may have a much larger population, but I also base it these websites base their judgments on camps in these states.

2. Michigan and Ohio have huge population and tons of talent yet they have 2 kids in the top 50 in the Rivals 100. There is no way that every year TX/CA/FL have that many more elite players. These sites do go everywhere they go down south and check out the camps. Then give their token midwest guy a nod... See Baker S. he was all hype, good player but 5* I wouldn't go that far

3. This is where I'm going with all this. So yeah I think the 5*s are good player, I don't think they are any better then a Matt Farinok out of SD. Rivals evaluations are based on perception and locations of camps. The difference between rankings 1 and 50 is marginally different that 25 and 26

It's not a perfect system, but neither is it just completely wrong. We've done that conversation to death, but there's no way around needing a bunch of guys who just about everyone agrees are flat-out talented. As the saying goes "you can't make a cake with nothing but frosting" but you can't make one with nothing but flour, either.

Statistically, it makes all the sense in the world that a lot top talent is from a few "hotbed" states. It terms of pure population that makes sense, and it also has something to do with how football is treated in those states as more of an all-year sport. Guys who are spending winters and summers at camps and 7-on-7 are going to be viewed as more of a polished, known commodity.

Baker's rating was largely based on him playing OT, which never happened. As a pure DT I highly doubt he would have been a 5*.

 

[Huskerlife39]

I think it's also important to point out that from a purely star rating point of view; while our class may be ranked 43 in the Rivals Network it's ranked 24 in avererage points per player. Tells me that at this point it's just a numbers issue. If we keep bringing in the quality of players we already have committed then a top 20-25 class is likely with lots of room for improvement.

 

[zamzman]

If you want to panic, go ahead, but I'm going to wait a while. The class may not even be half full. That's the part that actually worries me, the number of slots we have left to fill, not the quality of the guys we got. Remember the Solich classes? We'd be about at our limit...

I like our guys on offense quite a bit. POB seems to fit what we want in a QB. That alone could put this class over the top if his career matches the hype/potential.

Another thing that gives me a good feeling about our coaches ability is the players we identified late. A.Davis/Reed/Ozigbo -all seem to have top-notch talent despite low star ratings.

If we get another dozen players of the quality we've gotten so far, we'll be good. We just have holes/positions (ie offensive tackle, rush end) we absolutely have to fill. The rankings will take care of themselves if fill up the class. I'd guess in the top 20.

 

[headcard]

Wait...Are we back on the old "stars don't matter" thing? I thought we got off of that when Riley came in and started off hot with recruiting.

^^^^

Did not read the thread.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

^^^^

Did not read the thread.

^^^^
Never felt a boob

 

[leodisflowers]

Tre Bryant - 4-Star everywhere but Rivals. - Going to be Missouri 6A POY. but a 5.5 on Rivals?
Spielman - Minnesota POY - Multiple Big Ten offers, 5.7 on Rivals is accurate due to size.
JoJo Domann- Colorado POY - 5.6 on Rivals - IMO, the best HS football player Nebraska has recruited since Rex Burkhead.
Derion Grim - Now the All Time leading Single Season Receiver in CA HS History. -5.6 on Rivals.
- Patrick O'Brien - Orange County, CA POY
- Quayshon Alexander - 4-Star everywhere but Rivals - ESPN top 300
Ben Stille - listed at 6'4 231 on his Rivals profile. Dude is 6'5 252 and a better athlete than Noah Fant.
- John Raridon and Brokop are the top offensive linemen in Iowa and Illinois.

If you want to criticize the lack of numbers and defensive linemen, I think it could be somewhat warranted.

But this is well on its way to being a great class. I don't subscribe to the whole "Rivals Bias" argument. I just think they suck at their job. Derion Grim , Tre, and Jo Jo Doman are the biggest injustices on this list.

Cornicator for the win!

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Many people tried to justify Pelini's recruiting by pointing at average star rating, but we're seeing now that his smaller recruiting classes really hurt our depth.

I've been preaching this for years, and people refused to listen.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Wait...Are we back on the old "stars don't matter" thing? I thought we got off of that when Riley came in and started off hot with recruiting.

Quote the post(s) you're referring to.

 

[big red22]

Quote the post(s) you're referring to.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to mine

 

[Truehuskerfan]

It just never ceases to amaze me how people essentially consider something over when it it isn't even close to being over. So we're behind Minnesota, Maryland, Northwestern and Rutgers right now. Big whoopty-freakin deal. Who the heck cares about right now? If we're behind those teams in February, then you have a point. Where we are right now is completely and totally irrelevant. Do you think anybody is going to care one bit where we were on November 23 if we finish strong? You people complaining about where we rank in recruiting right now must have been the same people who left the stadium or turned the game off when we trailed Michigan State by 12 late in the game. Because the game was over, right? If you want to complain, then wait until you have something to complain about-i.e. when the recruiting process is finished.

 

[TheBeav815]

It just never ceases to amaze me how people essentially consider something over when it it isn't even close to being over. So we're behind Minnesota, Maryland, Northwestern and Rutgers right now. Big whoopty-freakin deal. Who the heck cares about right now? If we're behind those teams in February, then you have a point. Where we are right now is completely and totally irrelevant. Do you think anybody is going to care one bit where we were on November 23 if we finish strong? You people complaining about where we rank in recruiting right now must have been the same people who left the stadium or turned the game off when we trailed Michigan State by 12 late in the game. Because the game was over, right? If you want to complain, then wait until you have something to complain about-i.e. when the recruiting process is finished.

Based on this post I'll assume you didn't watch the first 50 minutes of the MSU game since they didn't matter.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

Sorry, I'm a "serial worrier", I can't multiplex. Right now I am worried about the Iowa game. After we win that one, I will be worried about winning our bowl game, then I will be worried about making it through the holidays, and then, finally I will start worrying about LOI day.

 

[TheBeav815]

Sorry, I'm a "serial worrier", I can't multiplex. Right now I am worried about the Iowa game. After we win that one, I will be worried about winning our bowl game, then I will be worried about making it through the holidays, and then, finally I will start worrying about LOI day.

Bo? Is that you?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Based on this post I'll assume you didn't watch the first 50 minutes of the MSU game since they didn't matter.

Ha!

 

[Truehuskerfan]

Based on this post I'll assume you didn't watch the first 50 minutes of the MSU game since they didn't matter.

No, I watched the whole thing. At no point did I think the game was over and we were sure to win or sure to lose. Just like I've never thought where we were ranked in recruiting at some random point during the season meant that's where we were going to finish.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

No, I watched the whole thing. At no point did I think the game was over and we were sure to win or sure to lose. Just like I've never thought where we were ranked in recruiting at some random point during the season meant that's where we were going to finish.

I think they finish 15-20 this year...no doubt in my mind really.

But, let me ask you this...say they had no verbals at this time and were ranked dead last...would you "care"

 

[studed]

We're behind Maryland, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Rutgers.

I know it's still early...

should pass northwestern, minnesota, rutgers easy. should pass maryland but they do have a 5 star and 4 star guys waiting to see who the new coach is

 

[Truehuskerfan]

I think they finish 15-20 this year...no doubt in my mind really.

But, let me ask you this...say they had no verbals at this time and were ranked dead last...would you "care"

Of course. And the chances of that ever happening are nil.

 

[nebcountry]

It is kind of funny that Oregon State is ranked 28th right now and we're 43rd. But, I won't just drop that bomb and walk away, that wouldn't be fair. Unless something magical happens for teams like OrSU, they will drop quite a bit.

it's really a matter of where the higher rated players sign that will affect where we finish. And we can move up quite a bit. Will it be a 20th or 30th rated class, we'll just have wait and see.

 

[TheBeav815]

No, I watched the whole thing. At no point did I think the game was over and we were sure to win or sure to lose. Just like I've never thought where we were ranked in recruiting at some random point during the season meant that's where we were going to finish.

You're creating an argument that nobody is making. It's not a win or lose proposition of "best class ever" v "worst class ever."

It's within the realm of the allowed to point out that with the available facts, they're not blowing the doors off. They will need a strong close to end up at "pretty good." That's not sufficient. If they want to be a championship-level team, and they say they do, that's not sufficient.

Let me put it to you like this: Ohio State's class is #2 on Scout. Penn St. is #4. Michigan is #6. Michigan State is #10.

Now how excited should we be that if they have a really nice finish, they might get up around #20? Dunno if you've been to East Lansing, but that place makes Lincoln look like a balmy land of hot chicks. In what year is it fair to expect that NU should out-recruit them?

It can be better than it was and still not good enough. And it is. Being the 5th most talented team in the conference raises the degree of difficulty by a hell of a lot.

 

[otismotis08]

It just never ceases to amaze me how people essentially consider something over when it it isn't even close to being over. So we're behind Minnesota, Maryland, Northwestern and Rutgers right now. Big whoopty-freakin deal. Who the heck cares about right now? If we're behind those teams in February, then you have a point. Where we are right now is completely and totally irrelevant. Do you think anybody is going to care one bit where we were on November 23 if we finish strong? You people complaining about where we rank in recruiting right now must have been the same people who left the stadium or turned the game off when we trailed Michigan State by 12 late in the game. Because the game was over, right? If you want to complain, then wait until you have something to complain about-i.e. when the recruiting process is finished.

Just stating facts, and I acknowledged that it is early.
That said, wouldn't you rather be winning at halftime rather than losing? It gives you a greater chance of winning at the end.

 

[otismotis08]

And while people are quick to point out that "we're not done yet" and "we're going to fill in the rest of the class", do you think the other teams are done?

 

[jflores]

And while people are quick to point out that "we're not done yet" and "we're going to fill in the rest of the class", do you think the other teams are done?

Depends. Some teams are. Or don't have very far to go. We might be roughly at a half class right now depending on how things shake out.

 

[Huskerlife39]

And while people are quick to point out that "we're not done yet" and "we're going to fill in the rest of the class", do you think the other teams are done?

Actually we are tied with USC for the fewest commits of any team in the top 45. Now you can be worried about the number of our recruits but many of the team ahead of us are either done or damn close. We will definitely move up the rankings as we add additional recruits, especially if they are 4 or high 3 stars.

 

[cidsports]

It's not just that.

The Rivals ranking gives a point total for number of commits and their grade. BUT, does anyone honestly believe that NU ends up looking like some other teams in the top 20? For example:

Penn St. (15): 11 commits from 4*
South Carolina (19): 11 commits from 4*
UCLA (13): 3 commits from 5*, 9 Commits from 4*
Oklahoma (14): 14 commits from 4*

NU is listed with 5 commits from 4*. We really expecting another 6 kids to commit who are 4* or better? We expecting even ONE 5* kid? FSU has 5. Four other teams have 4 of them.

I think Riley's staff is doing better than the previous staff, and maybe they really rise by signing day. But as of right now, they are not getting it done on a level that turns them into a Top-10 team.

Penn State coaching ...

Players need to be coached up and not sold on the Nittany Lions staff ...

peace

 

[Lincoln100]

^^^^
Never felt a boob

^^^^^^^^^
Is certain that "no" means "yes"

 

[Doniphan89]

I have been to several games of teams all in the south that have all had 50 - 100 recruits at the games I went to.
Most notable was Memphis and Ole Miss.
What is the most recruits we have had at the games this year.
Just wondering. Not saying we have to do this.
I would like to know if there is anything to it.

 

[studed]

Depends. Some teams are. Or don't have very far to go. We might be roughly at a half class right now depending on how things shake out.

rivals only counts each teams top 20 recuits. so once you get to 20 only way you are moving up is with a guy rated higher than your lowest rated commit

 

[jflores]

rivals only counts each teams top 20 recuits. so once you get to 20 only way you are moving up is with a guy rated higher than your lowest rated commit

Right and even then, if Iowa is carrying 22 commits during most of the season, they are mostly likely only moving down, not up. We would still have 5 or 6 guys to add to our score.

 

[studed]

Right and even then, if Iowa is carrying 22 commits during most of the season, they are mostly likely only moving down, not up. We would still have 5 or 6 guys to add to our score.

yep.

 

[timnsun]

Bump for Spinner4... This is where I got my information regarding recruiting analysts and their predictions.

 

[SLOHusker]

If that was true Texas would have a billion National Championships.

There are a couple things about recruiting under Osborne that people often miss. First there was so much confidence in the walk-on program and the quality it would deliver at key positions (fullback, OL, receiver) that NU could focus more heavily on skill positions that were critical to the team (most of the D, QB, RB, etc). NU was offering kids that were standouts at these former positions, but they didn't have to build an entire team out of scholarship players. Second, NU was recruiting only run-pass option QBs that were were not rated as highly in that era as they are now. Often they were listed as athletes, rather than QBs. With today's evolution toward spread offenses with running QBs, the recruiting rankings for these players have improved. When you look back at some of high rankings in the 90s and calibrate the above factors into the ranks, you see that a top 20 for NU is really like a top 10 nationally.