Reality...once again

[B1G RED RULES]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...t-frost-nebraska-mike-bianchi-0921-story.html

"Nebraska is simply not the program it once was when Osborne and Osborne’s legendary predecessor — Bob Devaney — were stalking the sidelines and steamrolling the competition with their I-formation and triple-option offenses. If the Nebraska job were such a great job then why are the last three coaches hired named Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini and Mike Riley? This sounds like a pool of candidates for NC State, not Nebraska.

The problem is college football has changed and so have college football recruits. Unlike Ohio State, Nebraska isn’t in the middle of a fertile recruiting area and the Huskers no longer have the national cache to lure five-star recruits from across the country. In the minds of many top prospects, Nebraska is simply a bitterly cold place in the middle of nowhere."

"Frost’s best career move would be to stay at UCF, continue to implement his explosive offense and build the program into a consistently big winner. If he does that then he could leave UCF for a much better job than Nebraska."

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I agree that Nebraska isn't where it was. I agree that there is a reason the last 3 coaches look like NC St hires and not Nebraska hires, but Devaney and Osborne weren't household names when they were hired either. I am more concerned about who was interested in the position, not necessarily who was hired. If Nebraska had interest from Mullen, Herman or another hot commodity and they still chose Pelini or Callahan or Riley then so be it. The lack of interest is what worries me.

The location, to me, isn't an issue, its cold and miserable in other areas of the country and they can still produce good football teams. That's just a Florida guy voicing his personal opinion about the weather and making assumptions about what "top prospects" are saying.

 

[HuskerDana]

Yes. Because as the Orlando Sentinel says, the UCF job is way better than the Nebraska job. Seems like an objective article to me.

 

[SoFL Husker]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...t-frost-nebraska-mike-bianchi-0921-story.html

"Nebraska is simply not the program it once was when Osborne and Osborne’s legendary predecessor — Bob Devaney — were stalking the sidelines and steamrolling the competition with their I-formation and triple-option offenses. If the Nebraska job were such a great job then why are the last three coaches hired named Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini and Mike Riley? This sounds like a pool of candidates for NC State, not Nebraska.

The problem is college football has changed and so have college football recruits. Unlike Ohio State, Nebraska isn’t in the middle of a fertile recruiting area and the Huskers no longer have the national cache to lure five-star recruits from across the country. In the minds of many top prospects, Nebraska is simply a bitterly cold place in the middle of nowhere."

"Frost’s best career move would be to stay at UCF, continue to implement his explosive offense and build the program into a consistently big winner. If he does that then he could leave UCF for a much better job than Nebraska."

Bingo

 

[HuskerDana]

By the way, writer. Bob didn't run the triple option.

 

[coachDubs]

Even more telling, though, was Frost saying it was actually easier recruiting to UCF than it was when he was an assistant at Oregon.

 

[HuskerDana]

Bingo

Right on cue....lmao

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Maybe he meant it was easier because he didn't have to carry around bags of cash...Ha!

 

[SoFL Husker]

I agree that Nebraska isn't where it was. I agree that there is a reason the last 3 coaches look like NC St hires and not Nebraska hires, but Devaney and Osborne weren't household names when they were hired either. I am more concerned about who was interested in the position, not necessarily who was hired. If Nebraska had interest from Mullen, Herman or another hot commodity and they still chose Pelini or Callahan or Riley then so be it. The lack of interest is what worries me.

The location, to me, isn't an issue, its cold and miserable in other areas of the country and they can still produce good football teams. That's just a Florida guy voicing his personal opinion about the weather and making assumptions about what "top prospects" are saying.

The cold and miserable hotspots are tOSU, Penn State, and Michigan. What the writer fails to mention is Frost developing HS coaching relationships in the surrounding areas to take with him in a seamless transition to the $EC. Maybe the ACC. That makes an enormous amount of sense to me. Going back to Nebraska doesn't.

 

[jlb321]

The only time we were in position to potentially get a huge name "home run" hire was after TO retired. We were essentially Alabama.

Interested what level of interest there might have been if Solich had been let go after his 7 loss season vs his 10 win season

 

[SnohomishRed]

This is the narrative I was expecting and some of our fans even, will gobble it up

1. Nebraska is a top winning program in the history CFB we are not Purdue - or a non power 5 conference team - yes with the resources we have and money we should be willing to pay this is dang good job
2. Callahan was a previous superbowl coach and was hired by an idiot. Pelini was the choice before any search was done both by fans and TO. Riley may still work out but Eichorst is not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed
3. Yes NU is a small state but we are the only school in the state and have access to Missouri and all the big ten states and have been able to recruit nationally. This narrative we are toast because we cannot pull in 5 star talent anymore and our name no longer carries the weight it did - fine I agree with that but this program and fans are not expecting what we were. We are expecting to have a team at the level of Wisconsin and that is very doable with the right coaching staff and an AD with a good strategic vision for the program

 

[coachDubs]

The cold and miserable hotspots are tOSU, Penn State, and Michigan. What the writer fails to mention is Frost developing HS coaching relationships in the surrounding areas to take with him in a seamless transition to the $EC. Maybe the ACC. That makes an enormous amount of sense to me. Going back to Nebraska doesn't.

Scott Frost, if offered the job at Nebraska, will not turn it down for any other college job in America. SEC, ACC, P12, B1G, B12 - doesn't matter, if he's offered by Nebraska he will be the next head coach. Period.

/ your bullshit

 

[Mack In Motion]

I'm shocked that an Orlando Sentinel writer would write an article on why Scott Frost should not want to come to Lincoln.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I agree that Nebraska isn't where it was. I agree that there is a reason the last 3 coaches look like NC St hires and not Nebraska hires, but Devaney and Osborne weren't household names when they were hired either. I am more concerned about who was interested in the position, not necessarily who was hired. If Nebraska had interest from Mullen, Herman or another hot commodity and they still chose Pelini or Callahan or Riley then so be it. The lack of interest is what worries me.

The location, to me, isn't an issue, its cold and miserable in other areas of the country and they can still produce good football teams. That's just a Florida guy voicing his personal opinion about the weather and making assumptions about what "top prospects" are saying.

Look at it this way:

• Callahan hired after Solich fired who was winning and had gone to a MNC game - who would want to walk into those expectations especially since the recruiting landscape had changed
• Pelini was hired because he was the fan favorite and TO believed we needed defense, which we did and he was maybe the premier DC at that time - not a bad hire and we won with him
• Riley - I am not convinced there was a comprehensive search however lets say there was - we still had fired a coach winning 9 games a year. Sure Pelini was a prick and everyone knew but the prospective coaches also knew he was winning 9 games a year

We say no one wants the job - I say we are the only school that has fired 2 coaches who won 9 or more games each year. The one coach we fired who did not was replaced by a coach who did

 

[jlb321]

Scott Frost, if offered the job at Nebraska, will not turn it down for any other college job in America. SEC, ACC, P12, B1G, B12 - doesn't matter, if he's offered by Nebraska he will be the next head coach. Period.

/ your bullshit

Would he leave another power 5 program for the Nebraska job?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

The cold and miserable hotspots are tOSU, Penn State, and Michigan. What the writer fails to mention is Frost developing HS coaching relationships in the surrounding areas to take with him in a seamless transition to the $EC. Maybe the ACC. That makes an enormous amount of sense to me. Going back to Nebraska doesn't.

The weather isn't the reason those players won't come to Nebraska. Kids from the south will go to northern schools. It is similar to the Tuscaloosa is a shit hole discussion from yesterday. Players will go where they are comfortable. Weather factors in, but it isn't the primary reason players choose to play elsewhere. Its just an easy "excuse" .

I don't think Frost ever comes back to Nebraska but it is because of how he believes he was treated and not considered for positions in the past.

 

[nebcountry]

The only time we were in position to potentially get a huge name "home run" hire was after TO retired. We were essentially Alabama.

Interested what level of interest there might have been if Solich had been let go after his 7 loss season vs his 10 win season

Maybe because I'm an NU fan, but it seems like the Solich firing stigma stuck with us. OhSU fired Cooper around the same time, and he had winning seasons. Mack Brown at Texas was fired after winning seasons. I think Shawn "I don't comment during the season" Eichorst bungled handling Pelini big time.

 

[mgbreis]

Tuco, I agree with your thought on Frost not coming back because he feels he was mistreated. It doesn't help that, in my opinion, TO probably feels the same way and discusses it with Frost. However, that might go away if SE is gone and they back up a Brinks truck for him.

Buy hey, we're still gonna win the west this year, so whatever...

 

[jlb321]

Maybe because I'm an NU fan, but it seems like the Solich firing stigma stuck with us. OhSU fired Cooper around the same time, and he had winning seasons. Mack Brown at Texas was fired after winning seasons. I think Shawn "I don't comment during the season" Eichorst bungled handling Pelini big time.

IMO ... assuming both were going to be relieved we waited a year too long to fire both Solich and Pelini. Could justify firing Solich after 7 losses but difficult to message how you decide to bring him back and then fire him after he wins 10 games.

Likewise easier to justify the Pelini firing the year before with his media meltdowns. The decision to fire him should have been framed more around behavior and poor representation of the university than wins and losses. He should have been congratulated for the 9 annual wins but the message should have been centered around how it is more than just winning games that we expect from the head coach at the university of nebraska

I think we would have been in a much better position with prospective head coaches if the firings had occurred a year earlier and the messaging had been a bit different

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Look at it this way:

• Callahan hired after Solich fired who was winning and had gone to a MNC game - who would want to walk into those expectations especially since the recruiting landscape had changed
• Pelini was hired because he was the fan favorite and TO believed we needed defense, which we did and he was maybe the premier DC at that time - not a bad hire and we won with him
• Riley - I am not convinced there was a comprehensive search however lets say there was - we still had fired a coach winning 9 games a year. Sure Pelini was a prick and everyone knew but the prospective coaches also knew he was winning 9 games a year

We say no one wants the job - I say we are the only school that has fired 2 coaches who won 9 or more games each year. The one coach we fired who did not was replaced by a coach who did

Read my comments on the AD succession thread.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

IMO ... assuming both were going to be relieved we waited a year too long to fire both Solich and Pelini. Could justify firing Solich after 7 losses but difficult to message how you decide to bring him back and then fire him after he wins 10 games.

Likewise easier to justify the Pelini firing the year before with his media meltdowns. The decision to fire him should have been framed more around behavior and poor representation of the university than wins and losses. He should have been congratulated for the 9 annual wins but the message should have been centered around how it is more than just winning games that we expect from the head coach at the university of nebraska

I think we would have been in a much better position with prospective head coaches if the firings had occurred a year earlier and the messaging had been a bit different

FACT - and that is why the job is not as attractive to coaches as it once was.

 

[Harry Caray]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...t-frost-nebraska-mike-bianchi-0921-story.html

The problem is college football has changed and so have college football recruits. Unlike Ohio State, Nebraska isn’t in the middle of a fertile recruiting area and the Huskers no longer have the national cache to lure five-star recruits from across the country. In the minds of many top prospects, Nebraska is simply a bitterly cold place in the middle of nowhere."

Explain how Kansas Basketball keeps recruiting the best basketball players from all over America to a bitterly-cold place in the middle of nowhere. Coaching matters.

Scott Frost would have to be stupid to turn down Nebraska to stay at UCF. Even if he failed here, he would be a very rich man and I'm sure UCF or another school in whatever conference they play in would gladly hire him back. Whereas if you stay at a mid-major program too long, one bad year there could mean never getting another chance to move up. You have to move up when you're a hot name or you may never get another chance. Good examples would be DuRuyter at Fresno or Wells at Utah State - started of good and could have probably moved up to a Power 5 job after their first 2 years, but now they won't ever get that chance.

With that said, I want to see how Frost does this year before we anoint him the savior of Nebraska football. With UCF's schedule and the hurricane, they could very well go .500 again. In that case, Frost isn't going to be on the radar of any major programs yet.

 

[WHCSC]

Explain how Kansas Basketball keeps recruiting the best basketball players from all over America to a bitterly-cold place in the middle of nowhere. Coaching matters.

Don't they play indoors?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Don't they play indoors?

Agree football and basketball are different. But still don't think weather is the determining factor in decisions.

 

[huskerdude88]

Money talks BS walks. This whole cold weather nonsense is easily solved by opening up the checkbook.

 

[otismotis08]

The cold and miserable hotspots are tOSU, Penn State, and Michigan. What the writer fails to mention is Frost developing HS coaching relationships in the surrounding areas to take with him in a seamless transition to the $EC. Maybe the ACC. That makes an enormous amount of sense to me. Going back to Nebraska doesn't.

His HS coaching relationships in Florida will translate just fine in Nebraska. Have plane, will travel.

 

[bomber89]

Teams that have gotten better with new coaches in last 4 years:
Purdue
Louisville
UCF
Washington
Maryland
Wyoming

I don't think any of these schools are a better place to coach than Nebraska yet they have gotten better. My point is this. Its not about which schools are better places to coach, Its all about getting a better coach.

There are coaches out there that can turn around Nebraska. Nebraska is not undesirable. The question is can Nebraska find the right coach.

We have $, fan support, and facilities. If those schools can find a coach to turn it around Nebraska can too.

 

[vs540husker]

Good God what a stupid BS "article". I'm assuming it was written by a 17yr old intern that's half-assed followed college football for 2 years and has literally never left the state of Florida.

 

[bigboxes]

By the way, writer. Bob didn't run the triple option.

Neither did Osborne when he first took the reins. He ran a *drum roll* pro style offense. He did so as OC under Devaney as well.

 

[DudznSudz]

Yeah, as someone who was born and raised in Florida, I can attest that everyone in Florida thinks that the weather down there is the best and that every place north sucks, so ignore that stupid ass comment. If that were true, Ohio State, Michigan, and any other team north of the Mason Dixon line would never be able to recruit talent. It's complete bullshit, and its just a stupid belief that the drooling idiots of Florida hold.

Having said all of that, it's a legitimate question as to whether or not Scott Frost would come back here. I think he would, because people tend to be very sentimental when it comes to sports, but the situation would have to be just right and handled very well.

I think its still premature to talk about him coming back and replacing Riley, as I think Riley deserves another year or two to see how the team turns things around. However, there is absolutely no reason not to think about what happens after Riley, and who to snatch up to help the program succeed.

Keep in mind, Penn State a few years ago was considered a dead program, and their coach was considered unsuccessful. Then it just all clicked, and boom, they're on top of the college football world again (though in my opinion, they shouldn't be. ever.) We've fallen on hard times and haven't looked like a competitive, badass Nebraska squad since probably 2000. But, all things change, and anything can be improved upon. We have money and a huge fanbase still. With the right decisions, we'll get back there.

 

[coachDubs]

Would he leave another power 5 program for the Nebraska job?

Good question, maybe we'll find out.

Likewise easier to justify the Pelini firing the year before with his media meltdowns. The decision to fire him should have been framed more around behavior and poor representation of the university than wins and losses. He should have been congratulated for the 9 annual wins but the message should have been centered around how it is more than just winning games that we expect from the head coach at the university of nebraska

I think we would have been in a much better position with prospective head coaches if the firings had occurred a year earlier and the messaging had been a bit different

Everyone understood why Nebraska fired Pelini, not even in the same ballpark as Solich. I'll dig up the social media support, coast to coast, if it's needed...

 

[bomber89]

people need to ask the right question. its not why WOULD you come to Nebraska. Its why WOULDNT you come to Nebraska. I hate a defeatist attitude.

 

[mwulf]

I don't think Frost ever comes back to Nebraska but it is because of how he believes he was treated and not considered for positions in the past.

I have been told by people very close to him its his dream job

 

[NUSouth]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...t-frost-nebraska-mike-bianchi-0921-story.html

"Nebraska is simply not the program it once was when Osborne and Osborne’s legendary predecessor — Bob Devaney — were stalking the sidelines and steamrolling the competition with their I-formation and triple-option offenses. If the Nebraska job were such a great job then why are the last three coaches hired named Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini and Mike Riley? This sounds like a pool of candidates for NC State, not Nebraska.

The problem is college football has changed and so have college football recruits. Unlike Ohio State, Nebraska isn’t in the middle of a fertile recruiting area and the Huskers no longer have the national cache to lure five-star recruits from across the country. In the minds of many top prospects, Nebraska is simply a bitterly cold place in the middle of nowhere."

"Frost’s best career move would be to stay at UCF, continue to implement his explosive offense and build the program into a consistently big winner. If he does that then he could leave UCF for a much better job than Nebraska."

If a recruit has any interest in playing in places like New England, Green Bay, Denver, Chicago, New York, Kansas City......where would you rather get your experience ? Where it's so hot you can't breath, or a place that has similar weather to most pro sites. Nebraska should use its weather as a recruiting advantage.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I have been told by people very close to him its his dream job

Perhaps. I have heard differently though. I suppose we will find out soon enough.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Teams that have gotten better with new coaches in last 4 years:
Purdue
Louisville
UCF
Washington
Maryland
Wyoming

I don't think any of these schools are a better place to coach than Nebraska yet they have gotten better. My point is this. Its not about which schools are better places to coach, Its all about getting a better coach.

There are coaches out there that can turn around Nebraska. Nebraska is not undesirable. The question is can Nebraska find the right coach.

We have $, fan support, and facilities. If those schools can find a coach to turn it around Nebraska can too.

Not to nitpick, but Purdue it's been 3 games, not sure we can say they've improved. They look much better. We'll get a better gauge this weekend against Michigan.

Louisville was 11-2 and 12-1 with back to back top 15 rankings when Petrino took over.

UCF was 12-1 and 9-4 the two years before the 0-12 debacle.

I will give you Washington and Maryland.

Wyoming, jury is still out. 4-8 to 2-10 to 8-6, they are 1-2 this year with 4 games where they will be the underdog. Looking at a 6-6 season.

There is a difference between taking a team from 3-9 to 6-6 and then taking the 6-6 to 11-1. Washington is the one example above that is doing that, the rest have gone from terrible to mediocre. Can they get to the next step. Riley took Oregon St from terrible to mediocre.

 

[Mack In Motion]

Yeah, as someone who was born and raised in Florida, I can attest that everyone in Florida thinks that the weather down there is the best and that every place north sucks, so ignore that stupid ass comment.

If anyone not from Southern California thinks they have (comparatively) great weather, they need to just STFU. As much as I don't like snow, 95 degrees and 95% humidity is just as unappealing.

 

[bschne2]

What a bunch of babies. Some idiot writer in Orlando writes a hit piece on Nebraska so they can keep their coach and everybody here starts talking about the "new reality" and we'll never get another good coach again. We are going to get a new coach in a few months and his name is Scott Frost. He's going to be just what we needed.

 

[HuskerDana]

Perhaps. I have heard differently though. I suppose we will find out soon enough.

I have heard what mwulf said. Like you said, we MAY find out if things continue to go south and a new AD looks to him.

 

[TruHusker]

Money talks BS walks. This whole cold weather nonsense is easily solved by opening up the checkbook.

For coaches or players? I think the point was players not wanting to come here because it is cold versus the beaches of Florida.

Coaches know what sells and what doesn't.

I also don't think money is the key factor. They are all going to get a big chunk of change and after a couple million what difference does it make?

People keep saying back up there checkbook or open the check book but that is a dream and is used to further the narrative of why coaches won't come to Nebraska in my opinion.