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With the information you have currently, what do you do if you are in his position. Of course, many on here are screaming to fire Riley, but in all candor, that is the last thing I would do if I was in that position.

You've already made the hire of Coach Riley, in my opinion, you have to stand by your guy and give him enough time to be successful.

I know many on here think the loss to Illinois (especially when combined with BYU and Miami, and for that matter, a close call against USM) is a clear sign that he can't get the job done. I see things differently. I think he's trying to incorporate a new culture, a new system and he's done a decent (not great) job at it so far. I also believe this may be the most unlucky start to a coaching career I've ever seen. How many ways can we dream up a bad loss? A hail mary? Very rare. An interception on the first play of OT after the team has captured all momentum? Rare. A QB who decides to pass when a simple kneel down would basically ice the game? 1-100 shot.

Long story to a short answer. I stand by my hire. I don't comment publicly about it because I've never commented publicly in the past, so why change now? I maybe pop into a couple practices or meetings just to feel the temperature of the team, but in general, I stay the course and trust my decision.
 
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Nah, I come out and say he sucks, I made a mistake and clean house.
 
You develop a transition plan for the future...basically a Plan B. Given what I've seen so far from the AD, I don't think one exists at the moment.

Needless to say, Plans B and C should always be in the desk drawer. I suspect this drawer is empty.
 
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St. Anger said:
Nah, I come out and say he sucks, I made a mistake and clean house.
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Do you have a case of the Mondays?

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This AD is now squirming as well he should be - The whole thought process and vetting to hire this coach was screwed up. SE is probably spiffy up his resume as well he should
 
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He'll do nothing, but secretly he is wishing for a do-over. He has no choice but to give him more time though.
 
I'd be very surprised if SE gets canned anytime soon........but then again, look at the implosion happening down in Texas.....now that my friends is a nightmare.
 
What IF, Riley is just the rebound guy? All the Boleavers will be happy that Bo is gone and the Bolievers will be okay that the next guy up wasnt as good. A year from now Euchorst has a guy lined up? (I know completely irrational, but hey a guy could hope)
 
chicolby said:
With the information you have currently, what do you do if you are in his position. Of course, many on here are screaming to fire Riley, but in all candor, that is the last thing I would do if I was in that position.

You've already made the hire of Coach Riley, in my opinion, you have to stand by your guy and give him enough time to be successful.

I know many on here think the loss to Illinois (especially when combined with BYU and Miami, and for that matter, a close call against USM) is a clear sign that he can't get the job done. I see things differently. I think he's trying to incorporate a new culture, a new system and he's done a decent (not great) job at it so far. I also believe this may be the most unlucky start to a coaching career I've ever seen. How many ways can we dream up a bad loss? A hail mary? Very rare. An interception on the first play of OT after the team has captured all momentum? Rare. A QB who decides to pass when a simple kneel down would basically ice the game? 1-100 shot.

Long story to a short answer. I stand by my hire. I don't comment publicly about it because I've never commented publicly in the past, so why change now? I maybe pop into a couple practices or meetings just to feel the temperature of the team, but in general, I stay the course and trust my decision.
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Good post
 
I light some candles and pray. If Riley works out, Eichorst will be celebrated as a genius. If Riley tanks, he is gone. Their fates are tied.
 
I wouldn't do anything but count my millions and wonder how I was so lucky to get the fifth highest AD salary in the country after having been an AD for only 18 months

...oh...and pass out books on who moved my cheese.
 
chicolby said:
With the information you have currently, what do you do if you are in his position. Of course, many on here are screaming to fire Riley, but in all candor, that is the last thing I would do if I was in that position.

You've already made the hire of Coach Riley, in my opinion, you have to stand by your guy and give him enough time to be successful.

I know many on here think the loss to Illinois (especially when combined with BYU and Miami, and for that matter, a close call against USM) is a clear sign that he can't get the job done. I see things differently. I think he's trying to incorporate a new culture, a new system and he's done a decent (not great) job at it so far. I also believe this may be the most unlucky start to a coaching career I've ever seen. How many ways can we dream up a bad loss? A hail mary? Very rare. An interception on the first play of OT after the team has captured all momentum? Rare. A QB who decides to pass when a simple kneel down would basically ice the game? 1-100 shot.

Long story to a short answer. I stand by my hire. I don't comment publicly about it because I've never commented publicly in the past, so why change now? I maybe pop into a couple practices or meetings just to feel the temperature of the team, but in general, I stay the course and trust my decision.
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You forgot to add: And if we have a terrible year this yr and a bad start to the season next yr, I hurry up and send my resumes out because I know my head is gonna roll.
 
Riley isn't going anywhere for at least three years. People can nash their teeth all they want, but you can't fire a coach in his transition period.

I'm not thrilled with Riley. I don't have a problem with moral victories found in unlucky losses, but not when it's against a team where it shouldn't come down to luck. BYU, Miami, and Illinois are not very good teams. To be in a position, against all three of them, to lose in the final seconds isn't something to take solace in. To require decent luck to beat Southern Miss is ridiculous. We aren't a good team right now. It shouldn't be spun otherwise.

But we knew, or at least damn well should have known, that was a real possibility when transitioning coaches. That's not Bo's fault. That's not Riley' fault. It's a cost that we, as a fan base, should damn well understand is part of changing coaches. It will happen if and when Riley is fired.

I don't know if Riley is going to work out. But I know it does absolutely zero good to fret about it until 2017. It is what it is. Hope for the best, but understand the best likely won't happen for a while, if at all.

Four wins to bowl eligibility. Go Big Red.
 
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Are you changing your tune on this hire? Cause you were among the most supportive of it and it seems you have doubts now?
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Yes. It looks like a colossal mistake at this point. Not saying it can't get better, but it would be really difficult to defend what I'm seeing up to now. When I am wrong I will be the first to admit it, and the first to laugh at myself for it.
 
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But we knew, or at least damn well should have known, that was a real possibility when transitioning coaches. That's not Bo's fault. That's not Riley' fault. It's a cost that we, as a fan base, should damn well understand is part of changing coaches. It will happen if and when Riley is fired.
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No...it's not an automatic cost. Look at what the new coaches around college football are doing this year. Don't just put this out there to give our guys a pass. It is hard to look at other blue bloods and see them improving markedly right away because they are getting better on field coaching.
 
Tulsa Tom said:
No...it's not an automatic cost. Look at what the new coaches around college football are doing this year. Don't just put this out there to give our guys a pass. It is hard to look at other blue bloods and see them improving markedly right away because they are getting better on field coaching.
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The risk is an automatic cost. Sometimes things just click. Awesome. But if you aren't willing to have a couple of subpar years to improve in the long run, you shouldn't change coaches. If you're surprised, then you really hadn't thought it through. You also risk the possibility of high profile rejections from coaches looking for a raise. Fortunately we avoided that with Riley. Yippee.

I realized that we risked bowl eligibility for this year, although I hoped our relatively soft schedule would help us out. And I still thought it was time for Bo to go. It's a price that I accounted for. If you didn't, then I think you should have.
 
What percentage of the time do you see teams with new coaches doing far worse than the previous year to then becoming great down the road?
 
Absolutely nothing. Support the coach and ask him what he needs to make this program better. He hired Reilly for a complete culture and program change. Like the fans, he has no choice but to sit back and see what happens for at least 2 years....unless the losses keep piling up and the recruiting doesnt improve by seasons end. Then panic.....a lot.
 
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What percentage of the time do you see teams with new coaches doing far worse than the previous year to then becoming great down the road?
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Last five games of 2014 we were 2-3
First five games of 2015 we were 2-3

You have said it multiple times it is only about W/L. Why the change now?
 
Archie Graham said:
Exactly. He is probably just carrying on doing his job.
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I think SE trots out Tom Osborne, or someone like him to say something like "I had a rough stretch at one time, but look how it turned out for me. Give MR time."

Meanwhile he revises his resume and looks for assistant AD jobs. Minimum he has 3 months to find another job, if MR goes winless the rest of the way which is unlikely. And that's if he doesn't con Scott Frost to replace MR, because that will distract the fan base so much he'll have 4 or 5 more years to leave.

Far more likely we don't get embarrassed by Wisconsin, or beat them or Minnesota, and everyone spins this as improvement, and MR has 2 or 3 more years to win with "his players". We can't be as dumb as we were this past Saturday all year.
 
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What percentage of the time do you see teams with new coaches doing far worse than the previous year to then becoming great down the road?
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Not a high percentage of times. But, the percentages for "becoming great down the road" is a pretty slim shot to begin with. And, we fired a 9-4 coach. That's pretty unusual. Like it or not, it was pretty unlikely we were going to improve on that out of the gate, record-wise.

Did you think we would? Honestly, did you?

I know you like to mix it up with plenty of posters on here. Many times I agree with you. But it's difficult to discern when you are trying to win a debate and when you are just laying your opinions out there. (The same can be said of me sometimes.) So, honestly, did you think we would fire Pelini in 2014 and go better than nine wins in 2015, even before the new coach was announced?

I think it was possible, but unlikely. I may have been naïve when we fired Solich. I'm not anymore. The chances of brining in a coach to Nebraska (who isn't going to outspend everyone else) and have them suddenly turn us into a top 10 team is, well, not like winning the lottery, but maybe more like investing in Keno. Yeah, it happens, but you really shouldn't bank on it. It's not something I was figuring into the calculation. Maybe that is one reason I was late to torches and pitchfork store for the Pelini discussion.
 
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Not a high percentage of times. But, the percentages for "becoming great down the road" is a pretty slim shot to begin with. And, we fired a 9-4 coach. That's pretty unusual. Like it or not, it was pretty unlikely we were going to improve on that out of the gate, record-wise.

Did you think we would? Honestly, did you?

I know you like to mix it up with plenty of posters on here. Many times I agree with you. But it's difficult to discern when you are trying to win a debate and when you are just laying your opinions out there. (The same can be said of me sometimes.) So, honestly, did you think we would fire Pelini in 2014 and go better than nine wins in 2015, even before the new coach was announced?

I think it was possible, but unlikely. I may have been naïve when we fired Solich. I'm not anymore. The chances of brining in a coach to Nebraska (who isn't going to outspend everyone else) and have them suddenly turn us into a top 10 team is, well, not like winning the lottery, but maybe more like investing in Keno. Yeah, it happens, but you really shouldn't bank on it. It's not something I was figuring into the calculation. Maybe that is one reason I was late to torches and pitchfork store for the Pelini discussion.
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I didn't think he would do better. But I didn't think MR would so quickly show he isn't a great coach either. I though he would lose a few early, but beat teams we had an obvious talent edge on, like Illinois. I didn't think he would show such a talent for throwing games away.
 
nufaninouland said:
I didn't think he would do better. But I didn't think MR would so quickly show he isn't a great coach either. I though he would lose a few early, but beat teams we had an obvious talent edge on, like Illinois. I didn't think he would show such a talent for throwing games away.
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Yea, same here. I wasn't thrilled with the hire, and so far, he has delivered below my expectations. But we aren't going to fire him before 2017, barring some ethical mishap or perhaps a 3 win or less season next year. So what's a boy to do, other than say, "4 wins to bowl eligibility. Go Big Red."
 
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Say we finish out with a losing record this year and end up in the 6-6 range next year. You don't think the whole circus gets canned?
 
I don't think he would be fired for a losing record this year/ 500 next year. Maybe I'm wrong. Like I said, it's not really something I'm going to worry too much about for a while.
 
SnohomishRed said:
This AD is now squirming as well he should be - The whole thought process and vetting to hire this coach was screwed up. SE is probably spiffy up his resume as well he should
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Everyone on this board, if they're being honest, never saw the Riley hire coming. Why is that??
 
chicolby said:
With the information you have currently, what do you do if you are in his position. Of course, many on here are screaming to fire Riley, but in all candor, that is the last thing I would do if I was in that position.

You've already made the hire of Coach Riley, in my opinion, you have to stand by your guy and give him enough time to be successful.

I know many on here think the loss to Illinois (especially when combined with BYU and Miami, and for that matter, a close call against USM) is a clear sign that he can't get the job done. I see things differently. I think he's trying to incorporate a new culture, a new system and he's done a decent (not great) job at it so far. I also believe this may be the most unlucky start to a coaching career I've ever seen. How many ways can we dream up a bad loss? A hail mary? Very rare. An interception on the first play of OT after the team has captured all momentum? Rare. A QB who decides to pass when a simple kneel down would basically ice the game? 1-100 shot.

Long story to a short answer. I stand by my hire. I don't comment publicly about it because I've never commented publicly in the past, so why change now? I maybe pop into a couple practices or meetings just to feel the temperature of the team, but in general, I stay the course and trust my decision.
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Michigan and Florida got it right. NU crapped the bed.
 
Oh dude and his crew are gone after next year if this losses continue like this...

Eich better be a good saver b/c his decision isn't looking so hot (and TO is done...forget him wanting to help a program save face). Face the facts folks...it isn't looking good

GBR
 
jay-cheese said:
Oh dude and his crew are gone after next year if this losses continue like this...

Eich better be a good saver b/c his decision isn't looking so hot (and TO is done...forget him wanting to help a program save face). Face the facts folks...it isn't looking good

GBR
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Assuming Riley doesn't work out and Eichorst is fired....Is Osborne really someone we want making the next decision? No thanks. He had multiple chances to get it right. Not sure what the answer, opening up the checkbook in a big way may be a start...and that's not Osbornes way
 
If I were him, I'd be saving up as much money as possible in the event Chip Kelly becomes available and go after him regardless of how long the current staff has been here.
 
We've already done that twice (opening the checkbook...Cally & Bo). I don't think that checkbook get's opened up again. Riley will be here at least until next year (can't say the same about Eichhorst). TO isn't coming back in any role...he already has once everybody stopped listening to him-but now they want to again...HA!).

It ain't looking good folks. This is what happens when you are 2-3 instead of 4-1....

GBR
 
jay-cheese said:
We've already done that twice (opening the checkbook...Cally & Bo). I don't think that checkbook get's opened up again. Riley will be here at least until next year (can't say the same about Eichhorst). TO isn't coming back in any role...he already has once everybody stopped listening to him-but now they want to again...HA!).

It ain't looking good folks. This is what happens when you are 2-3 instead of 4-1....

GBR
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We opened up the checkbook for Bo and Cally? In terms of buying them out? Or hiring them? Im guessing you meant the first option. Who is wanting TO back? But maybe if Riley fails and TO is in charge of finding the next coach...third times the charm?
 
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