Progress
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How could 9-4 not be progress over 6-7? Just hard to tell how solid the foundations are at this point though.
Progress from last year? Yes.
Progress from Pelini? Not yet.Next saturday is an important say, will be uplifting or deflating.
Year three here we come.
Progress from Pelini? Not yet.Next saturday is an important say, will be uplifting or deflating.
Year three here we come.
Not sure how you can say we made progress, when the best win we had was over Minnesota. We got embarrassed againt 3 of the 4 good teams we played. Even though our record was worse overall we may had played better.
Not putting yourself in position to lose to absolute crap teams like Illinois and Purdue represents progress to me. Not the level of progress we all want to see, but progress.
You're right that we avoided the lose to a shit team, however didn't have the great win (Mich. St & UCLA) but did have 3 very ugly loses (OSU, Iowa, Tenn)
Nebraska played eight bowl teams, seven in the conference, and finished with a 5-3 record [4-3 against B1G]. All opponents were bowl eligible without the graduation rate assisting in getting a bid.
2016 SOS #49, not sure about 2015.
Minnesota and Northwestern are both considered top 40 wins. It's not where Nebraska should be but let's not downplay two wins because of your aversion towards this coaching staff.
Also consider:
We lost an ENTIRE defensive line that we were expecting back, including two serious NFL contributors.
Pelini's recruiting.
The snakes in the grass.
The system mismatches.
Mike Riley and his staff did a hell of a job this year.
We lost an ENTIRE defensive line that we were expecting back, including two serious NFL contributors.
Pelini's recruiting.
The snakes in the grass.
The system mismatches.
Mike Riley and his staff did a hell of a job this year.
Anyone who says that going from 6 wins to 9 wins and winning games this year that we would have lost last year isn't progress has an agenda. It may not be enough progress for what you wanted to see this year and of course we need to do more to get where want to be, but it is progress and to deny that is idiotic.
NU improved in overall record, team stats (penalties, turnovers) and defensively (total defense, pass defense). They were worse in rushing defense (43rd vice 9th). They were statistically much worse on offense. Except overall record, I call statistically progress was a push.
Special teams regressed, but hopefully we took care of the problem.
Recruiting has yet to be determined. I am reasonably confident we will do better than 26th, which shows progress.
Intangibles are harder to measure, but team chemistry including player/coach dynamic seemed better all year. Attitude/swagger seemed much better this year until OSU, then fell apart. Last year they came on before the MSU game.
All in all, stats and my gut indicate just a little progress. That being said, more options at OLine and a QB with a different skillset will be huge for both the offense and defense. I often felt our defense was totally demoralized by getting a nice stop, then having to go back out 3 plays later, often with worse field position due to punting. I expect us to lose games next year, but I don't expect us to beat ourselves as much by not being able to move the chains. I will still be behind the staff 100% during the year (just like I was with Bo's staff for 4 years). If at the end of next year there is little or no progress statistically, recruiting and with the intangibles, then I will definitely start to sour on this staff.
Special teams regressed, but hopefully we took care of the problem.
Recruiting has yet to be determined. I am reasonably confident we will do better than 26th, which shows progress.
Intangibles are harder to measure, but team chemistry including player/coach dynamic seemed better all year. Attitude/swagger seemed much better this year until OSU, then fell apart. Last year they came on before the MSU game.
All in all, stats and my gut indicate just a little progress. That being said, more options at OLine and a QB with a different skillset will be huge for both the offense and defense. I often felt our defense was totally demoralized by getting a nice stop, then having to go back out 3 plays later, often with worse field position due to punting. I expect us to lose games next year, but I don't expect us to beat ourselves as much by not being able to move the chains. I will still be behind the staff 100% during the year (just like I was with Bo's staff for 4 years). If at the end of next year there is little or no progress statistically, recruiting and with the intangibles, then I will definitely start to sour on this staff.
9-5 Archie? Is that progress? Good to see you back. Now. For some reason.
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I liked the team that beat UCLA last year more than the one that sleepwalked against Tennessee. That team against UCLA looked like they were actually trying
Add to it the two teams that smoked us got smoked in their bowl games. But based on the high standard of one of the worst seasons in the past 50 years of Nebraska football that was compiled last year, yeah we made progress.
Look who was playing in the game against UCLA and who was playing in the game against Tennessee outside of Gerry.. Might also add that UCLA squad wasn't as good as as the Vols Friday.
The post you quoted was sliced, diced and trashed but I'll play along.
Northwestern beats ranked Pitt. Minnesota beats PAC #4/5 and Indiana pushes [ranked] PAC #4/5 to the limits. But, you don't mention that, not that it surprises me.
You forgot 2007, but carry on.
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If you look just at the end of year record, yes progress was made. That can be deceptive. Last year we hung with every team we played. We had a few bad breaks and unlucky turn of events go against us which lost us games.
This year we had a couple blowouts and just looked horrible against some pretty weak opponents. We didn't have as many unlucky turn of events. Hence our record looking better.
Overall our line play on both sides of ball has gotten worse. Our Qb play stayed about the same. Our run game stated about the same. We had one of the best WR core in the country and couldn't utilize them. Our secondary, started out good, but collapsed the second half of year.
So I vote no, recruiting is the only positive I see from last year to this.
first I'll say I hate Pelini ... and yes there has been clear progress from year 1 to year 2 .. but there has not been progress overall in the program aside from sideline behavior and press conference conduct ... the amount of progress in year 2 is equal to the amount of regression in year 1 under Riley .. overall a wash
Pelini had a conf championship appearance in year 2 and Callahan in year 3 .. so the clock is ticking
Ferentz took over a much worse situation and in years 4,5 and 6 he had an Orange Bowl appearance and 3 top ten finishes
I really like Riley but the bottom line is wins, losses, division/conf championships, top 10 rankings, big time bowl games .... there are a lot of excuses that can be thrown out there but he is now going into years 3,4 and 5 and he needs to start achieving something of relevance
Not that there's a huge difference, but it was Pac #5/6.Top four were UW, USC, Colorado and Stanford.
I really don't have an aversion to the new staff. Honestly. However, I didn't see the progress from last year that some speak of that's all.
Washington State [7-2] finished ahead of Stanford [6-3] in the PAC North. Plus, Wazzu beat them h2h & went to a better bowl, as far as pecking order goes in their conference.
I did have Utah wrong, so it should've been 4/6.
You stated why you don't, I gave you reasons to rethink your decision and you decide to stand pat. That is your choice, although I pointed out why your reasons are faulty.
How did I forget 2007. If you read my post, it says "one of the worst". Are you disputing the 2015 team had one of the worst seasons in the past 50 years? Beating # 4-5 PAC teams - consider me impressed.
I don't know, looks to me like the same program I've seen for the last 10 years or so. We were better this year than last year. But last year was really bad the first half of the season. This year was more crash and burn at the end.
There you go. That's really what I was eluding to. The worst teams were the Callahan years.
You didn't, that's on me for not seeing that, and no dispute. My apology. You're missing the point if all you take from it is beating #4/#5 PAC teams.
Eight bowl teams, 5-3 record against them. None were gifted a bowl based on graduation rate. #49 SOS, nothing to sneeze at.
The schedule wasn't as weak as some of you think it was. Yes, the two teams that smoked us got smoked this weekend. The two teams I mentioned we beat also beat better opponents, not only does Vegas agree with that but so do the pollsters.
But for some reason, you gloss over that like it means nothing.
Yeah, that's true. I was thinking Stanford was the #4 pick because they finished in the Top 25 (16th and 18th) and WSU was unranked. But I guess the Holiday would have been the better bowl.
It was obviously better than last year. We lost to freaking purdont and illinois last year, people. Would you rather have this season or last season? Neither is not an answer. Unless you are high, youd say this season. Thats progress.
Now if you dont think its enough progress, id agree. Or if youd say what i did above that it isnt any progress over pelini, id agree. Last year was dogshit...the bar was set very, very low. We stepped over it this season.
On a side note, it is interesting that the 2nd half of last year was better than the first even though we lost to iowa, and the opposite was true this season.
We should see some major improvement in recruiting by now. If we dont end up in the top 20 its a major disappointment. Outside the top 15 is a very mild disappointment. We were told what a great recruiter riley is and talent upgrades were a reason for his hire. good news is we are in on some biguns. Time to put up or shut up.
Now if you dont think its enough progress, id agree. Or if youd say what i did above that it isnt any progress over pelini, id agree. Last year was dogshit...the bar was set very, very low. We stepped over it this season.
On a side note, it is interesting that the 2nd half of last year was better than the first even though we lost to iowa, and the opposite was true this season.
We should see some major improvement in recruiting by now. If we dont end up in the top 20 its a major disappointment. Outside the top 15 is a very mild disappointment. We were told what a great recruiter riley is and talent upgrades were a reason for his hire. good news is we are in on some biguns. Time to put up or shut up.
I see your point. Thanks for the civil debate.
If you drive your car into the ditch, and then get it out of the ditch and back on the road, I guess you can call that progress, but to the people driving by, they are going to call you something else.
Well, we obviously made some progress this year in terms of winning the close games.
But the thread topic is kind of irrelevant. The real question that the topic is driving at is: do you think we are headed in the right direction as a program? And that is tougher to answer.
Right now I do not see how our team is any better or worse than most of the teams I have seen since 2002. Feels and looks like the same mediocrity, the only difference being we have a gentleman and a professional as coach rather than an egomaniacal prick.
As I have said repeatedly in various threads, we do NOT want Riley to get fired, we need continuity, and we need him to succeed. And I really mean that. But until I see positive news on the recruiting front, with serious upgrades in talent, and until I see an offensive line coached to run block with tenacity, and until I see Mark Banker field a really tough defense for the first time in his career, I will remain nervous and on edge.
But the thread topic is kind of irrelevant. The real question that the topic is driving at is: do you think we are headed in the right direction as a program? And that is tougher to answer.
Right now I do not see how our team is any better or worse than most of the teams I have seen since 2002. Feels and looks like the same mediocrity, the only difference being we have a gentleman and a professional as coach rather than an egomaniacal prick.
As I have said repeatedly in various threads, we do NOT want Riley to get fired, we need continuity, and we need him to succeed. And I really mean that. But until I see positive news on the recruiting front, with serious upgrades in talent, and until I see an offensive line coached to run block with tenacity, and until I see Mark Banker field a really tough defense for the first time in his career, I will remain nervous and on edge.
