Paterno knew, new documents

[wkato]

How will Penn State fans spin it now?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...-newly-unsealed-records/ar-BBufq0H?li=BBnb7Kz

A man testified in court in 2014 that Penn State football coach Joe Paterno ignored his complaints of a sexual assault committed by assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in 1976 when the man was a 14-year-old boy, according to new court documents unsealed Tuesday in a Philadelphia court.

The victim, who was identified in court records as John Doe 150, said that while he was attending a football camp at Penn State, Sandusky touched him as he showered. Sandusky’s finger penetrated the boy’s rectum, Doe testified in court in 2014, and the victim asked to speak with Paterno about it. Doe testified that he specifically told Paterno that Sandusky had sexually assaulted him, and Paterno ignored it.

“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s lawyer asked him in 2014.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Just looked in on bluewhite illustrated, and I have it on good authority that this is all bullshit and there is nothing to see here and we should all move along.

 

[wkato]

Figured as much! They are delusional at best.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

"Jesus what was he supposed to do?"

--every Pederast State fan in the world ever

 

[regionsdoc]

How will Penn State fans spin it now?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...-newly-unsealed-records/ar-BBufq0H?li=BBnb7Kz

A man testified in court in 2014 that Penn State football coach Joe Paterno ignored his complaints of a sexual assault committed by assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in 1976 when the man was a 14-year-old boy, according to new court documents unsealed Tuesday in a Philadelphia court.

The victim, who was identified in court records as John Doe 150, said that while he was attending a football camp at Penn State, Sandusky touched him as he showered. Sandusky’s finger penetrated the boy’s rectum, Doe testified in court in 2014, and the victim asked to speak with Paterno about it. Doe testified that he specifically told Paterno that Sandusky had sexually assaulted him, and Paterno ignored it.

“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s lawyer asked him in 2014.

Time to put his statue back up.............

 

[swissticuffs]

Barry Switzer was right.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Is it time to start thinking about the possibility that Paterno actually thought raping boys wasn't wrong? Is that really too far?

 

[newAD]

Barry Switzer was right.

Remind me again what he said. Can't remember.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Remind me again what he said. Can't remember.

http://newsok.com/article/3621872

 

[newAD]

http://newsok.com/article/3621872

Oh, yea. Thanks.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I live in Pennsylvania. I hate PSU fans. Some of the worst in the country. All that said... Don't judge the average PSU fan based on a message board. These latest revelations on Paterno are beginning to change minds out here. Even some of the most die-hard PSU fans I know, fans who up to now have defended Paterno, are beginning to say "well, maybe he did know after all. Damn".

I am so glad the full truth on that scumbag is finally emerging.

 

[ellobo]

Part of this story is that allegedly Greg Schiano knew also. For those that don't know he is currently tOSU's DC. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

Part of this story is that allegedly Greg Schiano knew also. For those that don't know he is currently tOSU's DC. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

Leave it to a meat chicken fan to only see f@ck-eye wrongdoing in a story like this.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I live in Pennsylvania. I hate PSU fans. Some of the worst in the country. All that said... Don't judge the average PSU fan based on a message board. These latest revelations on Paterno are beginning to change minds out here. Even some of the most die-hard PSU fans I know, fans who up to now have defended Paterno, are beginning to say "well, maybe he did know after all. Damn".

I am so glad the full truth on that scumbag is finally emerging.

That is the danger in idolizing a football coach. People getinvested in the public persona and ibn all the feel good media stories - These sometimes can be much different than the person himself

 

[ellobo]

Leave it to a meat chicken fan to only see f@ck-eye wrongdoing in a story like this.

It's being talked about all over rivals and other sports media...its actually one of the new parts of the story ( Joe Pa knowing is not new news...he admitted it before he died)...Schiano has already responded to the allegation...just hours ago...so it's not like I'm exactly bringing up something random...the allegation is that Schiano saw something first hand...that's pretty big.

 

[bomber89]

I would never wish Hell on anyone but Petrino & Sudeske (sp?) It's hard not to have nice thoughts about those 2 !

 

[newAD]

It's being talked about all over rivals and other sports media...its actually one of the new parts of the story ( Joe Pa knowing is not new news...he admitted it before he died)...Schiano has already responded to the allegation...just hours ago...so it's not like I'm exactly bringing up something random...the allegation is that Schiano saw something first hand...that's pretty big.

https://www.google.com/amp/deadspin...new-1783514641/amp?client=ms-android-verizon#

 

[GretnaShawn]

'The victim, who was identified in court records as John Doe 150, said that while he was attending a football camp at Penn State, Sandusky touched him as he showered. Sandusky’s finger penetrated the boy’s rectum, Doe testified in court in 2014, and the victim asked to speak with Paterno about it. Doe testified that he specifically told Paterno that Sandusky had sexually assaulted him, and Paterno ignored it.

“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s lawyer asked him in 2014.

“Specifically. Yes … I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted… I said, is that all you’re going to do? You’re not going to do anything else?”

Paterno, the man testified, just walked away.'



Paterno can rot and so can any PSU fan that defends him. Some of them care more about his statue than they do about the horrible crimes that were committed. That statue is the only 11 year old thing Penn State has ever tried to protect.

 

[bigboxes]

That statue is the only 11 year old thing Penn State has ever tried to protect.

 

[wkato]

That statue is the only 11 year old thing Penn State has ever tried to protect.

That statement sums it up in a nut shell. Post of the week Gretna!

 

[sltoa]

 

[HuskerBlueDevil]

That statue is the only 11 year old thing Penn State has ever tried to protect.

GretnaShawn, that may be the most succinctly brilliant thing I have read on this site. Awesome.

 

[GretnaShawn]

GretnaShawn, that may be the most succinctly brilliant thing I have read on this site. Awesome.

To be honest, I read something very similar on another site. So I cannot take full credit.

 

[leodisflowers]

Just looked in on bluewhite illustrated, and I have it on good authority that this is all bullshit and there is nothing to see here and we should all move along.

You are correct. I read their board and it is pretty wild how they defend Joe Pa. I can see their point of some of the stuff may be bullshit, by why they continue to defend someone that more evidence keeps coming out is beyond me. 100% agree with @GretnaShawn post. Sums it up very nicely. The hilarious thing i laugh at is they back arguments that the assistants never saw anything. Do we really think they are going to raise their hand and say oh yeah I turned my head to this stuff. Doubtful. Years from now Bob Ley will have a tearful Greg Schiano on outside the lines detailing why it took so long, and how sorry he is.

 

[mpbrown27]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but I wonder if the reaction at Nebraska would be any different had something similar occurred in our program. Thoughts?

 

[leodisflowers]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but I wonder if the reaction at Nebraska would be any different had something similar occurred in our program. Thoughts?

Yeah. WE are pretty bad homers, but sexual assault on kids for me is impossible to stick up for or be anywhere apologetic. Speaking for myself, I would out on our coach if that happened, even if it was TO. Child predators should all be hung.

 

[GretnaShawn]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but I wonder if the reaction at Nebraska would be any different had something similar occurred in our program. Thoughts?

I hope we never have to go down that path.

Rose colored glasses, everybody would be disgusted and turn on said icon. Look at how some people view TO because of his time as AD.

Realistically, there would be more than I want to admit that would probably defend the guilty party. If there were as many defenders as PSU currently has, I would probably disassociate with the University/program. Outside looking in, I can't imagine how level headed PSU fans deal with the Paterno defenders. It would be hard to support the same program as people that want to minimize child rape. How could you go to a game when you know a portion of the stadium that you're in is filled with child rape apologists? I don't think I could get over the fact that a Paterno defender could be in the row behind me or the seat next to me.

 

[Chief Wiggum]

When Barry Switzer is the morality police, you know you've done something bad...

 

[SeaOfRed75]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but I wonder if the reaction at Nebraska would be any different had something similar occurred in our program. Thoughts?

The most obvious choice in legend status would be Osborne. If he had done (or not done as it is) as horrible things as Paterno, I would hope his image and name would be taken off of everything. I know you would have to acknowledge he was the coach. But beyond that? No field. No statue. No 20ft images in the stadium or athletics department.
And in Pedo St's case? Should take their name off the library too. Maybe in the library have a display/section about child abuse. Make people remember. But remembering the football legend? Never.

 

[jlb321]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but I wonder if the reaction at Nebraska would be any different had something similar occurred in our program. Thoughts?

the Penn State issues are on the far extreme and would like to have thought that collectively we would have been disgusted

I do wonder about situations in the past that might have been viewed differently if they occurred at another institution

- the Christian Peter sexual assault claims
- TO keeping a gun taken from a player in his desk,
etc

didn't TO come out and make supportive comments about Paterno in the immediate aftermath of the scandal (apologize if mistaken)



if those events had occurred at KSU or Iowa I'm sure we would have been outraged

similarly how baseball players - track and field athletes - cyclists are met on this board when popped for PEDs - when we have several outland trophies, all americans and other hardware in the case tied to PED use

 

[CheeseRunza]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but I wonder if the reaction at Nebraska would be any different had something similar occurred in our program. Thoughts?

That's a good question. I'd like to say that universally, Nebraskans would support the victims and demand justice, but how many here remember the Franklin Credit Union Scandal which tied Larry King (the credit union's manager) to a child prostitution ring allegedly involving Boys Town and many prominent Nebraskans and according to some sources reached the highest level of the federal government. The media, state government, law enforcement and local FBI all dismissed the allegations as a hoax and discredited the alleged victims. Was there a cover up? Was it a hoax? Has it just turned into another internet conspiracy theory? Who knows? The real question is does anyone really want to know the truth. That is I think where many Penn State fans were and maybe still are, let's just stick our heads in the sand, plug our ears and what we don't know can't hurt us.

 

[HuskerBlueDevil]

the Penn State issues are on the far extreme and would like to have thought that collectively we would have been disgusted

- the Christian Peter sexual assault claims
- TO keeping a gun taken from a player in his desk,
etc


similarly how baseball players - track and field athletes - cyclists are met on this board when popped for PEDs - when we have several outland trophies, all americans and other hardware in the case tied to PED use

Hopefully if allegations like those you mention came out about other schools we would wait until the a conclusion was reached. IIRC, while some people on this site were quick to render judgment about PSU right off the bat, a lot of people took the "this is really bad if true, but lets wait and see" tack when the PSU allegations came out. But I know that plenty of fans still carp about TO based on completely false allegations and/or, at best, highly questionable allegations that no one in their right mind would base any sort of punishment on.

As for the PED's, what people tend to forget is that PED's were perfectly legal to be used by athletes during the period you are talking about. Rimington, Steinkuhler, etc. all used them when they were legal. The NCAA did not ban there use until their 1986 spring meeting. As a side note, there was one NCAA Division 1 school that banned the use of PED's, primarily steroids, before they were banned by the NCAA. That school? Nebraska. NU banned the use of steroids and other questionable PED's by all athletes in February, 1984.

 

[HuskerBlueDevil]

Oh, and reading about the latest revelations in the PSU scandal, there are references to John Doe200. Meaning that there were at least 200 alleged victims of Sandusky who PSU paid. Now there is always the possibility that some of the 'John Doe's' made up their stories while seeing dollar signs, but according to what PSU has said all along it did its due diligence before paying the alleged victims, making sure their was strong evidence to support each and every claim. So the 200 at least victims is not just some random number. That's scary.

 

[mothmonsterman]

Yeah. WE are pretty bad homers, but sexual assault on kids for me is impossible to stick up for or be anywhere apologetic. Speaking for myself, I would out on our coach if that happened, even if it was TO. Child predators should all be hung.

At the risk of being a conjugation Nazi, I think you mean to say that child predators should be hanged. If they are hung, that has very different and awkward connotations here.

 

[leodisflowers]

At the risk of being a conjugation Nazi, I think you mean to say that child predators should be hanged. If they are hung, that has very different and awkward connotations here.

It wouldn't be a message board without being called out for grammar, punctuation or conjugation. Good catch!

 

[schuele]

Given that Paterno isn't even good worm food at this point, I'm still more interested in seeing the three stooges charged in this case sent to prison. This includes Graham Spanier, who sent a freaking email saying the university could be in hot water if anyone finds out they failed to report what they know to the proper authorities. But hey, he "doesn't remember" sending the email, and so he thinks this is a valid defense.

The sad part is, it seems to be working. They got some of their charges dropped and keep getting their trials pushed back on the others. At least Spanier lost whatever golden retirement bonanza he was likely to get from Penn State, but that hardly seems like sufficient punishment for enabling a known child molester.

 

[newAD]

I'd love it if McQueary, Bradley, and Schiano all willingly submitted to polygraph tests.

 

[red rover 70]

Given that Paterno isn't even good worm food at this point, I'm still more interested in seeing the three stooges charged in this case sent to prison. This includes Graham Spanier, who sent a freaking email saying the university could be in hot water if anyone finds out they failed to report what they know to the proper authorities. But hey, he "doesn't remember" sending the email, and so he thinks this is a valid defense.

The sad part is, it seems to be working. They got some of their charges dropped and keep getting their trials pushed back on the others. At least Spanier lost whatever golden retirement bonanza we was likely to get from Penn State, but that hardly seems like sufficient punishment for enabling a known child molester.

Honestly, I think that email ALMOST exonerates Spanier in this case. He's not a criminal well versed in all the different tactics in covering up a crime. The other Penn State "Lifer's" had to get him in line with the SOP.

 

[schuele]

Honestly, I think that email ALMOST exonerates Spanier in this case. He's not a criminal well versed in all the different tactics in covering up a crime. The other Penn State "Lifer's" had to get him in line with the SOP.

How would that email almost exonerate Spanier? He clearly knew that a bad decision was being made by not going to the proper authorities, but he decided to go along to get along with - as you correctly call them - the PSU lifers. Spanier is every bit as responsible as the other two, and if he could not afford a high-powered legal team, that email would have been a one-way ticket to prison.