Panthers Win Again
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I'm literally just laughing at you trying to defend Rhule's coaching abilities, by stating that the Panthers did the opposite of what he wanted and then improved. Not judging his coaching, just laughing at your dumbass reasoning
what you're leaving out, and is important context IMO, is the fact Rhule was the odds-on favorite to be the first NFL coach fired prior to the season
so, perhaps you're correct. but you don't get odds like that based on a "management decision" in-season
if Matt Rhule is the next Nick Saban - as your post & the hundreds like it imply - then I will eat my hat live on HuskerOnline
until then, I will view Rhule as - ironically - the rule, and not the exception
we wanted a proven coach, remember? we got one. the Panthers tenure probably prepped him better in terms of the fish bowl than either of his stints at small schools nobody cares about or follows
All I can say is, I was extremely happy they beat the Seahawks because it gives my 4-9 Rams a chance to make the playoffs.
Yeah, you read that right. At 4-9, the Rams still have (an incredibly small and improbable) path to the playoffs which requires multiple teams to lose out and the Rams to win out.
So, in other words, it's not going to happen.
But on the flipside, I will laugh so hard if the Rams catch fire at just the right time with Baker and run it back.
Yeah, you read that right. At 4-9, the Rams still have (an incredibly small and improbable) path to the playoffs which requires multiple teams to lose out and the Rams to win out.
So, in other words, it's not going to happen.
But on the flipside, I will laugh so hard if the Rams catch fire at just the right time with Baker and run it back.
Saban was much more successful in the NFL than Rhule was, and if he was allowed to sign Drew Brees like he wanted to, he'd have been even better.
The point is that the Panthers are still a bad team and there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't be in the same place had Rhule stayed.
What reasoning are you talking about? I guess Sean McVay, Mike Tomlin, and Bill Belichick are shitty coaches too (all last in their division) by you're dumbass reasoning.
The NFL is a player, and particularly a QB driven league. You're a great coach when you have Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and a good roster. Carolina never had a QB who could take them to the next level in Rhule's era.
BUT....you are just an example of someone who picks on something but doesn't look at the whole situation. In your world, Rhule would only be a good coach if he was a big winner in the NFL, but if that were the case, he probably wouldn't be our coach now. There are all kinds of good coaches coaching bad teams in the NFL. You also don't understand that in the NFL, there is ultimate parody, which is why the Eagles only loss is to the Commanders. In many ways, each year is just a small sample and the winners each year are the ones where the odd-shaped ball just fell in their direction more often than not and are the ones who avoid injury to key players.
College Football is way different and player development is key. Most of the top 10 teams play 9-10 games a year where they are a physical mismatch of the other team. If a top college team loses their QB, they can usually replace him with another highly rated player. If an NFL team loses their QB, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a replacement. On top of that, the money and facilities disparity is dramatic in college football, as well as the varying academic requirements, something not of concern in the League.
Once again, I just think it's funny that you pointed out Rhule's failure and then the Panthers doing the opposite of what he wanted, and then getting better, as a defense of his coaching ability. It's silly nonsense
I think it’s funny that people act as if the Panthers got monumentally better after the Rhule firing. They are 4-4 against teams that have combined for a 30-34 (.469) record from Oct 16th to December 12th. Matt went 1-4 against teams that had a combined record of 14-11 (.560) from Sept 11th to Oct 9th.
Why can’t we just agree the Matt Rhule hire is the best thing to happen to the program in the last 20 years.
What we are experiencing on this board is the text book example of cognitive and conformity bias.
A.k.a herd mentality or group think.
The sense of belonging and the fear of rejection due to an opposing belief is leading to the rationalization of anything no matter how absurd.
We should all be able to share information and opinions without having to be insulted just because it’s from a different view point.
Seattle can't stop the run. Did them in against the Raiders, too. Combine that with Geno throwing two bad picks and their best running backs hurt. I expect the Hawks to lose to the 49ers and Chiefs and beat the Jets then play the Rams the last weekend in Seattle for a possible playoff berth. 9-8 may not get it done.
I am hopeful, but I cannot agree until I see him coach the Huskers. Every situation is different. Do we know for sure he has the drive to be great now that he has $70 million NFL dollars in his pocket? I don't think he is a slam dunk hire, but again I think he has the potential to be a very good coach for us.
It's just funny that someone would point out an organization doing the opposite of what the coach wanted, as a defense of that coach being good...
Not sure if this was sarcasm or not, but let's not go overboard. We have no idea how Matt Rhule will turn out. He could be great (which we are all hoping for) or he could be bad (which would just be par for the course.)
I honestly have no opinion on Rhule. My guy was Urban and then Mickey. Neither worked out, so I'm hoping Rhule turns out to be the guy that turns this program around, but I have no idea. I'm not drinking the kool-aid but I'm also not slicing my wrists over him. I'm in a wait and see mode.
That being said, using NFL metrics as a way of determining the success or failure of a college coach is bad practice. They are two completely different games.
He has been highly successful at his two previous stops in college. There is no reason to think he won’t be better here after his experience has made him better.
I do my fair share of insulting around here so all’s fair in love (Husker fandom) and war (Husker fandom)
I love this board and all the people who contribute to it. It’s my fault for getting ignored by some
Group think or common sense? To me having faith in a Coach that has already done it at two different college programs, taking Temple to heights they haven’t seen in 50+ years and being an OT FG from taking Baylor to the playoffs, makes all the sense in the world.
And if focusing on those things is “conformity bias”, what exactly are you choosing by ignoring Rhule’s actual college experience and ignoring the facts laid out by @Winston Smith 84, and instead choosing to focus on a 8 game sample (in which Carolina was basically the same team) under an interim coach after firing Rhule? I’d go with an extreme need to be contrarian and a healthy dose of intellectual dishonesty.
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Contrarian? Is that when I share information posted online by independent sources so people can experience a neutral voice and come to their own conclusions?
Intellectual dishonesty? Me being honest about M.R. is probably what you dislike the most.
Intellectual dishonesty would be when the majority of the board states that AAC accomplishments aren’t a measuring stick for a successful new coach based off of our previous coaches track record. But now we parade around like it’s the golden standard.
And he was 19-20 at Baylor, 0-11 against ranked teams…
Who’s being dishonest here?
Hint… it’s not me!
Do you understand what conformity bias means? No one on this board can point out anything this guy does wrong without being ostracized. It’s pathetic!
“Oh, how fine are the Emperor’s new clothes! Don’t they fit him to perfection?
Pretty much sums it up!
Frost would still probably be our coach if he had gone 19-20 given the win totals his first 2 years…..
Nobody’s ignoring Rhules track record
I just don’t put as much stock in him doing well in complete anonymity with zero pressure. It is not the same thing - at all - as what he faces here
This task is much more similar to his in the NFL, in my opinion. Max pressure, max visibility, huge cash, etc
Temple/Baylor are the minors in terms of everything that makes the NU job tough
There is no doubt they’re different situations but I also think we have advantages that come with that pressure. It’s going to be exciting to watch our new toy operate.
How can this be, haven’t you heard Matt Rhule destroyed the Carolina franchise. It was a fúcking Goliath before he got hired and he burned it to the ground. At least that is how some posters on this board act.
Dude, you keep saying this and it makes less sense every time you do it. No one EVER said that the Panthers going another direction was a defense of Rhule being a good coach. It was merely an explanation as to why Rhule was fired. Andy Reid was fired from the Eagles for the same reason.
All along, we have heard that the last 5 Husker coaches were no good and one of the pieces of evidence was that they couldn't get HC gigs at other big schools or in the pros after being fired here. This is not the case with Rhule, as he had a lot of offers.
But anyway, your good coach association thing is really lame.
1 - nobody's saying that
2 - the regime prior to Rhule won the division 3x and the NFC once, so maybe they should?
He absolutely would be!
But you’re missing the whole point Dingle, we have to be able to have open and honest conversation whether this guy does something good or bad.
It’s the best way to avoid getting blind sided and we can actually make an honest prediction on which way the program is trending that’s not based off of sugar coating everything.
I don’t want to wake up 4 years from now with SF deja vu.
And I really do hope Rhule can turn it around. I don’t think he’s gonna be a rockstar but I could see 7-8 wins a year once he gets settled.
There it is again. Intellectual dishonesty. Simply stating he was 19-20 at Baylor. Sure ignore the shit storm he inherited that led to a 1-win campaign the first year, nothing disingenuous about that. But sure just keeping desperately grasping at straws to be contrarian. Good look.
You should just give it a break…
You and your word tracks aren’t doing very well on this one.
Possibly the most ironic post of all time. After completely making an ass of yourself and being called out on it, on this very thread. Well done.
I have no desire to be a contrarian for the sake of it.
my position has always been and still is that I believe the NU job is much closer to the one he just failed at than the 2 he succeeded at
that's not to say I think he's bad, hate him, hate the hire, hope he sucks, discount his accomplishments, etc.
Husker fandom is for life & we are all pulling on the same end of the rope
Seems that you should've provided a little context with Rhule's record.
If you don't have a QB in the NFL than you're going to have a wide variance week to week and season to season. Right now, the NFC south has a division full of teams without QBs (with exception of Bucs but their entire OL is injured so it's tough making chicken salad out of chicken shit).
They beat a couple journeymen QBs in Geno Smith & Marcus Mariota. Smith is having a great individual year but it's the first time in his entire career he's done anything at the NFL level. They beat a Broncos team with Russell Wilson in the midst of the worst year in his career by a significant margin (he still has more bathrooms in his house than TD passes). They beat Mariota. Finally, they also beat the Bucs but again, they're a shell of where they a couple seasons ago due to all the injuries they've had. They're not exactly beating a bunch of world beaters.
They beat a couple journeymen QBs in Geno Smith & Marcus Mariota. Smith is having a great individual year but it's the first time in his entire career he's done anything at the NFL level. They beat a Broncos team with Russell Wilson in the midst of the worst year in his career by a significant margin (he still has more bathrooms in his house than TD passes). They beat Mariota. Finally, they also beat the Bucs but again, they're a shell of where they a couple seasons ago due to all the injuries they've had. They're not exactly beating a bunch of world beaters.
You’re in La La land… keep telling yourself BS if it makes you look and feel good!
I do not even know what "intellectual dishonesty" means. I like facts. A coach's record is what it is. You can't change it. We can give a thousand reasons why it occurred. One can look at it positively, negatively or in between. I thought Rhule took over from Art Briles, but he did not. In 2016 Baylor under Interim Head Coach Jim Grobe who took over the team in May had a 7-6 record including beating Boise State in the Cactus Bowl. Matt Rhule was hired in December 2016 to be the Head Coach of Baylor. His teams were 1-11 in 2017, 7-6 in 2018 with a Texas Bowl win over Vanderbilt and 11-3 in 2019 with a loss to #5 Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.
Yep those are facts. It is also a fact that Baylor had 45 scholarship players and 1 commit when he took over. A fact that someone without an agenda should probably acknowledge.
The turnaround at Baylor was remarkable. I guess he could have just stayed and kept winning 11+ every year instead of jumping to the NFL, so his overall record there would have looked better, but that wouldn’t have actually make him a better coach. Facts are important, but intentionally cherry picking random stats with no context, to intentionally mislead, is dishonest.
I have no agenda. I just put out his record at Baylor. How is giving his entire record cherry picking? Where did you get the stat the team only had 45 scholarship players? Wikipedia (I am well aware it is not 100% accurate) has Baylor signing 27 recruits Rhule's first year. I am a Husker fan. I hope Rhule does well, but as I have written several times before, I don't think we are going to know anything until we see him coach the Huskers.
The poster I was referring to 100% does have an agenda.
As for the situation Rhule inherited at Baylor, read for yourself.
How Matt Rhule and Charlie Brewer rebuilt Baylor back into a Big 12 contender
The coach found a QB who wanted to prove his worth on a big stage, and they have quickly returned the 12th-ranked Bears to the top of the conference.
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