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I had one and it was profitable, but it's not passive income. The unexpected part was that you have to watch your management company closely. Their maintenance crew is a profit center. Unless I am renting to help pay for a vacation home for my personal use, I don't think I'd do it again.
Did you use a larger company for management like Evolve or something more localized?
 
My wife and I are thinking about investing in these also. We rented through VRBO, but not AirBnB
Id love to have something in Colorado or Utah. But they are uber expensive. Could go south and probably get a better return for starters.
 
I had one and it was profitable, but it's not passive income. The unexpected part was that you have to watch your management company closely. Their maintenance crew is a profit center. Unless I am renting to help pay for a vacation home for my personal use, I don't think I'd do it again.
Agreed. We had one for awhile and dumped it. Not worth the hassle and we also didn't get to use it as much as anticipated due to kid activities.
 
Id love to have something in Colorado or Utah. But they are uber expensive. Could go south and probably get a better return for starters.
Look at Northern Michigan (not the UP unless you want to be remote). Lots of water and trees, without the CO price tag.
 
Did you use a larger company for management like Evolve or something more localized?
On two different properties, I went through three different companies. Two were small, local companies, run by morons. The third was a small, local company run by morons, then bought by a large company. After they were acquired, things remained the same. PM me and I can bore you to death with the details.
 
I've been thinking about something on a lake in Minnesota that we could rent. I'm becoming aware that the STR is kind of a hot button with local government. Apparently neighbors hate short term rentals? We had to find a new cabin last summer because the one we liked could only have 4 people and there was no wiggle room for our 5th person.
 
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I've been thinking about something on a lake in Minnesota that we could rent. I'm becoming aware that the STR is kind of a hot button with local government. Apparently neighbors hate short term rentals? We had to find a new cabin last summer because the one we liked could only have 4 people and there was no wiggle room for our 5th person.
In CO, short-term rentals are definitely under scrutiny at town govt levels in resort markets where attracting the service labor necessary to drive the tourist machine is growing harder and harder given the cost of housing. No one wants to rent long-term to worker-bees when they can rent short-term to tourists, so the towns are increasingly regulating short-term rentals.
 
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We're looking in Florida on the Gulf coast.

Good luck in FL. We will tax and crush you on insurance . We don’t want you losers in our state turning neighborhoods into a place for the poor that can’t afford a hotel.

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As a renter, I will only use VRBO. I would never consider AirBnB.

The two people I know who rent their property both say AirBnB is way better. Of course they do.
My one and only experience with AirBnB, in Kansas City and pre-COVID, was outstanding. Terrific host and excellent value. Looked like a service I would definitely be inclined to use again.

Then COVID came along and it seemed everyone wanted to jump into the short-term rental game. The listings became way overpriced and littered with extra fees, and I’ve totally lost interest in wading through them. Haven’t tried VRBO but I definitely see the appeal.
 
I have a property in Seminole, Florida. You have to have a good property, but it's all about the management. The first manager we had wasn't good. Not crooked, but didn't really know what he was doing. We switched mid-year 2024 and bookings have been way better, but hurricane season was bad.

At the beginning pretty much everything that could go bad did. Lots of major expenses. I hope those are all taken care of and we can cash flow or close. We aren't looking at it for income right now. Just want to cash flow, use as a write off, and then eventually sell it down the road and use the profit for retirement.
 
We're looking in Florida on the Gulf coast.
Plan is to snowbird in SW Florida when we retire. Thought at one time I would buy a house and STR in the months we didn't use it. As time goes by I think it's more likely we would rent for 2 or 3 months and pay rent for the reduced risk. Should be clarity in the next dozen years for what I want to do.
 
If you don’t care where your properties are located, get on AirDNA.com to find the least saturated/best ROI markets down to the zip code. There is a fee for a robust search but if you’re serious about it then it’s worth it.

I manage my own properties with my own staff locally but I’ve heard Evolve is good
 
Use Airbnb in Europe all the time. Nice options when traveling with people and you don't want to be in the same room for sleep but want a balcony to drink on
 
Good luck in FL. We will tax and crush you on insurance . We don’t want you losers in our state turning neighborhoods into a place for the poor that can’t afford a hotel.
If you think people are staying at an AirBnB or VRBO because they can't afford a hotel..... u are not smart at all, actually probably retarded.
 
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Good luck in FL. We will tax and crush you on insurance . We don’t want you losers in our state turning neighborhoods into a place for the poor that can’t afford a hotel.
I'm kinda laughing because we've got a possibly crappy VRBO booked for March in Vero Beach. Pretty sure the neighborhood is already a place for the poor.
 
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