OT: Nebraska Craft Beer
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I forgot how every business owner is super rich and only eats at Flemings.... It is such a misnomer that all business are run by the super wealthy.
I have no idea where the public private sector stuff came from. I just said that businesses (private sector) should not be forced to provide benefits if they do not want to. It is there business, they can compensate people how they like. Also, these mandates only hurt small businesses and drive out competition for major corporations. Try starting a business and have an essential employee take maternity leave. You have to pay somebody to fill that role and pay the person on leave. Many new (and existing) businesses can't carry the cost for an additional salary.
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Nah. Far from it. I apologize for interupting the booze whack fest with other info.
Ah, but you didnt answer my question. How do you know the Company has the money? Maybe Apple does. Does sears? Does phat jacks bbq? Does every bar in downtown lincoln? The market should dictate. Not the govt. Govt at all levels tends to get things wrong more than right.
These are the things that should be discussed over a good, locally made scotch ale.
"I just said that businesses (private sector) should not be forced to provide benefits if they do not want to."
Not disagreeing with you. I bring up the public sector because the Union's Collective Bargaining code Chapter 20 is about to be gutted, and 184,000 public sector employees who make $25,000 - $100,000 a year are about to lose all their collective bargaining rights, because Private sector business's don't feel it is fair that the public sector can offer better benefits. This takes away their chances at those employee's, because good health care is big deal.
I don't think it is fair to force private sectors to offer insurance, and I don't think it is fair for the government to forcefully make the public sector pay. Right now AFCSME employee's pay $10 a pay period for insurance, and the private sector can't match that. The republicans want to regulate the health care to make it fair for private sectors, because they complain they can't compete.
These businesses in the private sector, need to mind their own business. It is not your mail man's fault that Walmart is to cheap to match the great benefits the public sector offers. It is not you kids grade school teachers fault BP doesn't offer their employees good benefits. It is called greed!
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I know what you mean, when I hear about the deforestation of the Amazon, I just go BESERK!
I just did in reply to Gretna Shawn... I am not saying they all can. I am saying the Walmart, BP, Target, and Exxon Mobil's need to... Mike's Bike Repair shop should not even be in the same breath
To make it on topic... Thunderhead Brewing Company should not have to offer the same benefits as Anheuser Busch
It is pretty simple really, we all want the government to stay out of the way. It should be up to the employer what they offer their employees.
Anheuser Busch makes Billions a year. They can afford to pay their employee's benefits that should be very beneficial, but that will hurt their overhead. That means that they can compete with the public sector benefits, but they are so greedy they won't!
Thunderhead Brewing probably makes 7 figures a years (Just a guess?), but also has way less employees. If they want to compete for good employee's they need to offer good benefits, but it should be up to them what they offer.
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People can care about more than one issue, make another thread about the issue you care about. This isn't hard people.
That's the thing, they don't need to. They may want to if they want to attract good employees or have a good public perception (see walmart vs Costco). But they don't need to. They can do as they please. They are a private business. You nor the government should have zero business telling them what benefits they need to provide.
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If you aren't disagreeing with my and it had nothing to do with my post, why did you bring it up?
Because I am showing you that it is also not okay to take away benefit from the public sector either. We are all in the same boat and right now the right side of that boat is filling up, and soon it is going to sink
Also trying to point out you need to look beyond your own personal situation some times, in order for you to get what you want, someone else is probably taking it up the... and they probably worked just as hard to get where they are as you did!
Let's say a school teacher just started and they are making $30,000 in their first year of work
That is $1154 every 2 weeks, and that is $14.42hr
Taxes 25% = $288
Health Care = $10
Pension = $68
Take home = $788 a week
This new bill passes that teacher may be paying $200 a week for health care
Take home = $598
You see how that works... that $200 is a big freaking deal to a ton of public sector employees, but you don't give a crap about that, because it doesn't affect you and what you do
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But I didn't bring anything up about the public sector. All I said was that private business should not be forced to provide paid maternity/paternity leave. I have no idea how it is relevant to paid maternity/paternity leave in the private sector.
First, you didn't so I apologize about that
I brought it up because the hypocrisy in general. The government (Republicans who are now the majority in Iowa) got their hands all over 184,000 employees in the public sector, and are about to take away the majority of the collective bargaining rights for the public sector.
This is their method to getting the Private Sector back up to where it "Needs to be"
The classic case of rob Peter to pay Paul... Just to make me look good situation
Ahh yes, the hypocrisy of not forcing a private business to pay maternity leave translating to public sector unions and how republicans are evil. If I have seen it once, I have seen it a thousand times.
I told you I don't think the Private Sector should be forced to do anything... Do you only read what you want to? Yes, they are evil if the bill gets passed in Iowa. Just like anyone, the public sector are also people don't like stuff forcefully taken away from them.
I know what you said. I still don't understand what it has to do with my OP. You clearly have an ax to grind, I am just not sure how it relates to me or my posts. It would be like if I started responding to your posts with comments about the ACA. It wouldn't make sense because you never brought it up and they aren't related.
Here is what needs to be said...
1. Craft Beer needs to be left alone they are not hurting anyone, and just creating competition for the big dogs
2. Private Sectors need to be able to run their business, and provide whatever they want to provide
3. Everyone is in a different situation, so what benefits you is not always the right choice
4. Not everyone is a business owner or self employed. If everyone owned their own business everyone would be on the same page. Republicans benefit the Self Employed and Business Owners where Democrats benefit the middle class employees.
5. Everyone has a choice in life. Some use their choices to benefit themselves, and others use their choices to benefit others.
If the LS623 actually has some ground that it is trying to improve something then come out and say what it is trying to improve. Right now it just looks like Anheuser Busch has their panties in a bunch, because they are losing business. If there is more to it then come out and say it!
With the Iowa Code Chapter 20 Gutting. If this is really going to help Iowa tax payers as the Republicans say it is going to, then provide that information to the public of what it is going to do!
No questions ever get answered
Each side just attacks the other, and nothing is ever clear to the public
1. Craft Beer needs to be left alone they are not hurting anyone, and just creating competition for the big dogs
2. Private Sectors need to be able to run their business, and provide whatever they want to provide
3. Everyone is in a different situation, so what benefits you is not always the right choice
4. Not everyone is a business owner or self employed. If everyone owned their own business everyone would be on the same page. Republicans benefit the Self Employed and Business Owners where Democrats benefit the middle class employees.
5. Everyone has a choice in life. Some use their choices to benefit themselves, and others use their choices to benefit others.
If the LS623 actually has some ground that it is trying to improve something then come out and say what it is trying to improve. Right now it just looks like Anheuser Busch has their panties in a bunch, because they are losing business. If there is more to it then come out and say it!
With the Iowa Code Chapter 20 Gutting. If this is really going to help Iowa tax payers as the Republicans say it is going to, then provide that information to the public of what it is going to do!
No questions ever get answered
Each side just attacks the other, and nothing is ever clear to the public
That was my reaction as well. Both sides suck. Neither side cares about you. They will both, on occasion, have a policy that benefits the middle class.
The liquor laws in Nebraska are the most ridiculous and archaic in the entire USA. Most of the liquor laws and regulations are leftovers from Prohibition and need changed. As a bar owner I can tell you it's cheaper for me to go to a liquor store or Wal-Mart than from the distributors...which of course I can't legally resell any alcohol but from a distributor. Can you say Monopoly, price fixing, corruption, collusion and kickbacks? I knew you could.
