OT: Nebraska Craft Beer

[sloth316]

Sorry if discussed already, but what is everyone's thoughts on LB632? Personally, I am a huge supporter of the craft beer scene in Nebraska and think this bill lacks common sense or judgement...it also doesn't help that big beer distributors have lined the bill's author, Senator Larson's pockets, with considerable cash donations...the whole thing smells corrupt to me, but always appreciate the opinions of fellow board members.

http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/loca...cle_5185d850-f211-11e6-838c-8f011c5abe58.html

 

[resdog851]

I'm Team Local Beers here

 

[aNUstart]

Sorry if discussed already, but what is everyone's thoughts on LB632? Personally, I am a huge supporter of the craft beer scene in Nebraska and think this bill lacks common sense or judgement...it also doesn't help that big beer distributors have lined the bill's author, Senator Larson's pockets, with considerable cash donations...the whole thing smells corrupt to me, but always appreciate the opinions of fellow board members.

http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/loca...cle_5185d850-f211-11e6-838c-8f011c5abe58.html

I agree with your post completely. I encourage fellow craft beer lovers to contact their senator and voice their concerns.

 

[runningback43]

So basically they are going to have to sell their beer to a distributor which is owned by Anheiser-Busch, or Miller and then buy their own beer back from the distributor before they can sell it. How does that make sense?

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Honestly I don't care that much, but think people should be able to start a business and make whatever the hell they want.

The fact that the attention given to this is 100 times greater than things like the idiotic LB 305 is what bugs me more

 

[resdog851]

So basically they are going to have to sell their beer to a distributor which is owned by Anheiser-Busch, or Miller and then buy their own beer back from the distributor before they can sell it. How does that make sense?

I love how the article mentions that Budweiser is somehow burdened by having to follow these rules. They fail to mention that Budweiser owns these distributors.

This war of beers has been going on for a long time. A long time ago, they made federal laws preventing beer makers from monopolizing the market by requiring a separation of beer maker/distributor/seller. Big beer went right around that law by opening their own giant distributors that unsurprisingly only distributed their own beer. Big beer hates it that the little guys make better beer and consumers would dare want to buy it instead of their watered down trash.

Here is a good doc that was made years ago describing what this thread is all about.

 

[huskerfan66]

I don't know. The liquor distribution system in NE is a monopoly in itself. Basically everybody has to buy from the same place.
I can sure see the big breweries and the distributors getting their panties in a bunch over this as the popularity of craft beers grow. Personally, not my bag. Not a big beer drinker anymore.
The idea of craft beers is small breweries for fun, talent and sure it's great to make a profit. Where that line gets crossed from small time craft to a brewer as a business needs to be determined.
I can see the merits on both and hope they can find some middle ground that works for the little guy....And the state can still collect it's tax. Haha.

 

[Dean Pope]

So basically they are going to have to sell their beer to a distributor which is owned by Anheiser-Busch, or Miller and then buy their own beer back from the distributor before they can sell it. How does that make sense?

It makes sense to the out of state billionaires who have given money to the "Out of" State Senator from O'Neill. This guy also took big bucks from out of state in order to sponsor a bill that would take money from your local public school and give it to parents who send their kids to private and for profit schools.

 

[GretnaShawn]

My inner libertarian is pissed at the idea of increased regulation. Let the free market reign!

 

[Huskerfan2112]

Sort of on topic.....

What are your favorite Nebraska craft beers? Im a big fan of Kentucky Bourbon Barrel ale but can't find anything similar locally.

 

[resdog851]

Sort of on topic.....

What are your favorite Nebraska craft beers? Im a big fan of Kentucky Bourbon Barrel ale but can't find anything similar locally.

I have locally here Nebraska Brewing Company, Lucky Bucket, and Infusion. For my money, Kinkaider makes the best Nebraska beers. I trend more towards the dark stuff and they make a lot of great beers.

 

[sloth316]

A big Kinkaider and Scratchtown fan myself but really love the experience of going to each more than the actual beers themselves...Scratchtown
makes a great double IPA, Wonder Twins, and their owners are maybe the most personable in the business...Bootleg in Taylor has maybe one of the best easy drinking beers I've ever had in their Klingon beer...Kinkaider's Devil's Gap seems to be their go to but it's solid across the board.

Omaha and Lincoln have some great breweries and I have yet to hit them all, but Infusion is my favorite of the bunch...the Havana Brown is outstanding.

Last, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention my hometown, Thunderhead Brewing...it's still my wife and my go-to on a Friday or Saturday evening...great beers, great food, great atmosphere

 

[northeastNebraska]

I love Kinkaider and Zipline. Does Scratchtown have a Pilsner or a Kolsch?

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Any chance this bill helps drive the price of Bud Light down? If so, I'm all for it!

 

[NikkiSixx]

You guys realize that Anheuser Busch & Miller are not owned as American companies anymore? Both owned by Belgian-Brazilian mega corporation InBev. Why anyone would want to support a foreign owned company over a local one is beyond me.

 

[Husker Hunyock]

You guys realize that Anheuser Busch & Miller are not owned as American companies anymore? Both owned by Belgian-Brazilian mega corporation InBev. Why anyone would want to support a foreign owned company over a local one is beyond me.

This is true. In fact, the largest USA owned brewery is now Sam Adams. I do believe that Miller and Coors are owned by Molson.

 

[jay-cheese]

Not a huge emperian fan but my favorite local brew is their Peanut Butter Porter. Kinkaider, Zipline, and Ploughshare are likable imo.

In regards to the OP, look at the big $$$ corp's try to protect their business model via politics/law initiatives. Honestly I don't know how anyone could be surprised by this. While I totally think it's BS, it's yet another example of how our society really works ($$$$, lobbying..i.e. padding the pockets of those that will change/impose laws to protect their donors). What a scene...

 

[redroofer]

Anytime we can help local small business over oversea's owned corp's I'm all for it & the man helping the Big Boys because he got paid off should be thrown out on his...

 

[huskerfan1414]

It makes sense to the out of state billionaires who have given money to the "Out of" State Senator from O'Neill. This guy also took big bucks from out of state in order to sponsor a bill that would take money from your local public school and give it to parents who send their kids to private and for profit schools.

Just stop purposefully calling vouchers what they arent.
I have no idea why anyone would be against making school choice more available to all children, especially those who are poor and living in failing school districts. Unions have successfully passed on the drivel that our govt is trying to end public education. People are stupid enough to believe it i guess.

 

[jay-cheese]

You have a choice right now, you just don't want to pay for it. How is that NOT a fact (or should I just call you "stupid" like you did above??). I'd also add that the generalized fear of poor/failing schools doesn't apply to Nebraska (Missouri or Kansas maybe..).

GBR

 

[skintight]

Kros-strain

 

[big red22]

Sorry if discussed already, but what is everyone's thoughts on LB632? Personally, I am a huge supporter of the craft beer scene in Nebraska and think this bill lacks common sense or judgement...it also doesn't help that big beer distributors have lined the bill's author, Senator Larson's pockets, with considerable cash donations...the whole thing smells corrupt to me, but always appreciate the opinions of fellow board members.

http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/loca...cle_5185d850-f211-11e6-838c-8f011c5abe58.html

I think the government needs stay the hell away from things that are working. Craft beer is working and they need to keep their hands out of it!

I love craft beer and I will be pissed if it gets harder to buy good beers

 

[Dean Pope]

Just stop purposefully calling vouchers what they arent.
I have no idea why anyone would be against making school choice more available to all children, especially those who are poor and living in failing school districts. Unions have successfully passed on the drivel that our govt is trying to end public education. People are stupid enough to believe it i guess.

Our government is trying to end public education? LOL, let's not be overly dramatic.

There is zero evidence that a private school could do a better job. Private schools that I am familiar with in Nebraska do not have the staffing to deal with ELL, special needs and behavior disorder kids. Private schools do just fine with the clientele that they get to work with, but if a kid doesn't meet expectations, they can be expelled at any point. Where do those kids wind up? Public school. Public schools take one and all and every single kid counts on the standardized tests that rank schools-- only public schools, private schools don't take them.

 

[schuele]

The man helping the Big Boys because he got paid off should be thrown out on his...

He's term-limited so a no-show job in the liquor industry probably awaits. That is, if he can give up his lucrative career as an appraiser of fine art.

 

[TurboHerbie]

Honestly I don't care that much, but think people should be able to start a business and make whatever the hell they want.

The fact that the attention given to this is 100 times greater than things like the idiotic LB 305 is what bugs me more

Maybe I'm missing something but it looks like LB 305 is an attempt at introducing paid family leave i.e. mandatory parental leave... Maybe I just misunderstood the bill, but if that's the case, most of America is in favor of that... We're sort of the only country that doesnt mandate paid parental leave

 

[TurboHerbie]

Honestly I don't care that much, but think people should be able to start a business and make whatever the hell they want.

The fact that the attention given to this is 100 times greater than things like the idiotic LB 305 is what bugs me more

Ok, so trying to parse through more of the bill... Looks like it is more dealing with general reasons for taking leave

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Maybe I'm missing something but it looks like LB 305 is an attempt at introducing paid family leave i.e. mandatory parental leave... Maybe I just misunderstood the bill, but if that's the case, most of America is in favor of that... We're sort of the only country that doesnt mandate paid parental leave

You are missing the part where you can take 3 months out of every year off to "care for a family member". Said family member does not have to live in the same house, or be immediate family. It is a mandatory tax that will be taken out of everyones check. You do not even have to provide a doctors note to your work. This would cripple a small business if an employee decided to play the system. The payouts are decided by an actuary of the state (I am sure that would run smooth).
There was an employment attorney who spoke on this. He stated that it would be a fiscal disaster. Within 36 months the state would be in a minimum 90 million dollar hole.
I am all for paternal leave, but this bill is poorly written, and will be a strain on the check of lower income workers.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Maybe I'm missing something but it looks like LB 305 is an attempt at introducing paid family leave i.e. mandatory parental leave... Maybe I just misunderstood the bill, but if that's the case, most of America is in favor of that... We're sort of the only country that doesnt mandate paid parental leave

I don't get why a company should be forced to give paid maternity/paternity leave. Everybody should have the option to take maternity/paternity leave, but the companies shouldn't be on the hook to pay them during that time. I just don't get it.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I don't get why a company should be forced to give paid maternity/paternity leave. Everybody should have the option to take maternity/paternity leave, but the companies shouldn't be on the hook to pay them during that time. I just don't get it.

Exactly. And it isn't just paternity/maternity. Like I stated, you can say "I am taking care of my sick aunt" and it will likely be paid out.

 

[big red22]

I don't get why a company should be forced to give paid maternity/paternity leave. Everybody should have the option to take maternity/paternity leave, but the companies shouldn't be on the hook to pay them during that time. I just don't get it.

Well 1st, wasn't this thread about Craft Beer bill?

Second, "don't get why a company should be forced to give paid maternity/paternity leave."

Well...

The company should be forced to pay, because they can and they have the money to do it. The worker "Who just had a child <- EXPENSIVE" will need those 6 pay checks to get by. The Company will lose overhead, and it will take away a couple steak dinners at Flemings for them.

Why should public sector employee's be "forced" to pay for health insurance like the private sector? Teachers, DHS, Plow Truck drivers, Mail Men ect...

Wisconsin already did this 5 years ago... how well did that help them out?

Iowa is going to do it here shortly... Why you ask? So Big Company's can get a tax break, and private sector employees can save $20-$30 a year for health care?

Yeah lets screw over 184,000 public sector employees and their families so Bob Smith the cashier at McDonald's can save $20 a year on HC.

Public Sector Employees aren't Rich, they are the definition of Middle Class. This isn't a Robin Hood story here. Branstad is not taking money from the Rich and Giving it to the poor here. He is taking money from the Middle Class to pay the rich, so they can employ more of the poor.

http://iowalabornews.com/?p=16504

People took these jobs, because they have the perks of good benefits, and not high pay. Now the public sector benefits aren't fair? Why is it not fair for the public sector employee's to have better benefits?

Everyone has the right to apply to be a mail man or go to school to become a teacher. Public Sector employee's "for the most part" worked their way from the Private sector to get these public sector jobs.

 

[CheeseRunza]

Our government is trying to end public education? LOL, let's not be overly dramatic.

There is zero evidence that a private school could do a better job. Private schools that I am familiar with in Nebraska do not have the staffing to deal with ELL, special needs and behavior disorder kids. Private schools do just fine with the clientele that they get to work with, but if a kid doesn't meet expectations, they can be expelled at any point. Where do those kids wind up? Public school. Public schools take one and all and every single kid counts on the standardized tests that rank schools-- only public schools, private schools don't take them.

You seem to have an issue with nonpublic schools. Would you prefer that they close and go away entirely? You realize that if the nonpublic schools in Nebraska shut down tomorrow, there would immediately be nearly 38,000 students transferred into the public school system. The average cost per public school student in Nebraska is nearly $12,000 per pupil per year (based on year 2015/2016 numbers). That would add up to an additional $456,000,000 annual burden to the public schools with very little, if any, additional revenue.

 

[big red22]

Sort of on topic.....

What are your favorite Nebraska craft beers? Im a big fan of Kentucky Bourbon Barrel ale but can't find anything similar locally.

Who makes that Kinkaider? In my opinion as of right now Scratchtown out of Ord makes the best beer in the State.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

You seem to have an issue with nonpublic schools. Would you prefer that they close and go away entirely? You realize that if the nonpublic schools in Nebraska shut down tomorrow, there would immediately be nearly 38,000 students transferred into the public school system. The average cost per public school student in Nebraska is nearly $12,000 per pupil per year (based on year 2015/2016 numbers). That would add up to an additional $456,000,000 annual burden to the public schools with very little, if any, additional revenue.

Aren't the public schools receiving the tax revenue from this families that choose to send their kids to private schools? Seems to me the public schools system should never operate at a deficit.

If my employer gives me a budget to employ 20 people and I only employ 15, I shouldn't have to go ask for more money, if I decide to hire a 16th.

 

[CheeseRunza]

Aren't the public schools receiving the tax revenue from this families that choose to send their kids to private schools? Seems to me the public schools system should never operate at a deficit.

If my employer gives me a budget to employ 20 people and I only employ 15, I shouldn't have to go ask for more money, if I decide to hire a 16th.

Yes, tax revenue from families who send their kids to private schools goes to the public schools. But that money pays only for the kids in public schools. So in your example, the tax revenue collected from all 20, pays for the public education of the 15 and the other 5 pay additionally and individually for their own education privately. If 1 decides to transfer to a public education, there is no extra tax revenue, it has already been spoken for by the original 15. The public school system wouldn't operate on a deficit, they would have to raise taxes to account for a massive influx of students.

My point was only that those who complain about nonpublic schools should watch out for what they wish for if they would like to see the nonpublic schools go away.

 

[Huskerfan2112]

Well 1st, wasn't this thread about Craft Beer bill?

Second, "don't get why a company should be forced to give paid maternity/paternity leave."

Well...

The company should be forced to pay, because they can and they have the money to do it. The worker "Who just had a child <- EXPENSIVE" will need those 6 pay checks to get by. The Company will lose overhead, and it will take away a couple steak dinners at Flemings for them.

Why should public sector employee's be "forced" to pay for health insurance like the private sector? Teachers, DHS, Plow Truck drivers, Mail Men ect...

Wisconsin already did this 5 years ago... how well did that help them out?

Iowa is going to do it here shortly... Why you ask? So Big Company's can get a tax break, and private sector employees can save $20-$30 a year for health care?

Yeah lets screw over 184,000 public sector employees and their families so Bob Smith the cashier at McDonald's can save $20 a year on HC.

Public Sector Employees aren't Rich, they are the definition of Middle Class. This isn't a Robin Hood story here. Branstad is not taking money from the Rich and Giving it to the poor here. He is taking money from the Middle Class to pay the rich, so they can employ more of the poor.

http://iowalabornews.com/?p=16504

People took these jobs, because they have the perks of good benefits, and not high pay. Now the public sector benefits aren't fair? Why is it not fair for the public sector employee's to have better benefits?

Everyone has the right to apply to be a mail man or go to school to become a teacher. Public Sector employee's "for the most part" worked their way from the Private sector to get these public sector jobs.

How do you know the COMPANY can pay and has the money to do so? Does this apply from apple down to Taco Inn? If you think every company is loaded with enough cash to pay this, you are mistaken. Look what happened with the obamacare mandate. Companies slashed full time jobs to avoid paying benefits. Now many people work 2-3 part time jobs as a result. Govt needs to stay out of business. This applies to beer and benefits. Let the market dictate what happens. Not every business owner is out to crush the worker and keep them down. Many are just guys who got tired of working for the COMPANY and went out on their own.

And back to beer. I like craft beer. The state should leave these guys alone to brew in peace.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Yes, tax revenue from families who send their kids to private schools goes to the public schools. But that money pays only for the kids in public schools. So in your example, the tax revenue collected from all 20, pays for the public education of the 15 and the other 5 pay additionally and individually for their own education privately. If 1 decides to transfer to a public education, there is no extra tax revenue, it has already been spoken for by the original 15. The public school system wouldn't operate on a deficit, they would have to raise taxes to account for a massive influx of students.

My point was only that those who complain about nonpublic schools should watch out for what they wish for if they would like to see the nonpublic schools go away.

I see your point. Sort of on your side.

My point is that the public schools have to budget on number of actual students, not number of potential students. I assume their ledger has to be zero at the end of the fiscal year. So if the enrollment increases, they have to raise taxes or decrease spending.

 

[otismotis08]

Never met a beer I didn't like. Keep it flowing.

 

[aNUstart]

In order to pull this thread together and get it back on track - I think craft beer should be allowed in public schools, and there should be a kegerator in every teacher's lounge. Also, in lieu of maternity/paternity leave, companies should be required to give all employees a three week supply of their favorite craft beer at Christmas every year.

And Tyson Larson should be banned from every establishment in Nebraska that serves alcohol.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

My bad. I just laugh at the uproar over beer above other issues. But this is Nebraska, I should have known better.

 

[big red22]

How do you know the COMPANY can pay and has the money to do so? Does this apply from apple down to Taco Inn? If you think every company is loaded with enough cash to pay this, you are mistaken. Look what happened with the obamacare mandate. Companies slashed full time jobs to avoid paying benefits. Now many people work 2-3 part time jobs as a result. Govt needs to stay out of business. This applies to beer and benefits. Let the market dictate what happens. Not every business owner is out to crush the worker and keep them down. Many are just guys who got tired of working for the COMPANY and went out on their own.

And back to beer. I like craft beer. The state should leave these guys alone to brew in peace.

So a fair question since you didn't address the other side that I brought up. You say "Govt needs to stay out of business. This applies to beer and benefits." They need to leave the public sector employee's benefits alone too then right?