OT: Measles info.
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Here is the money shot:
Vaccinated kids have a 8.5 in 1000 chance of serious vaccine injury.
Unvaccinated kids have a .14 in 1000 chance of serious injury from a disease that has a vaccine.
This is CDC data. You can read this for the details and nuances of all this or continue to parrot the "safe and effective" narrative from the industries that are making billions off these shots without looking at the counter research and data which is, of course, the easier path............until it isn't.
I mean, you can’t argue when the source is Sheryl’s substack….you win.
Yet another ad hominem attack rather than addressing the data. If you are a MD, tragically typical response from so many in your profession and why the credibility of doctors has cratered in the past 4 years.
That's not really ad hominem. He's questioning the source.
ad hominem: directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
So, you're saying he's questioning the CDC? That's her source.
Assuming that those stats are accurate, that just means that the unvaccinated kids are benefiting from the herd immunity created by the vaccinated kids. Take that away and those numbers will change dramatically.
I've shared all I'm going to about my personal situation.
Be honest, would it make any difference what I told you? You haven't addressed any of the data I've posted, and there's a 100% chance that you will either totally dismiss my information or attack me for it, so there is nothing I could share with you that would make you believe my personal situation. Really pretty weird that you keep asking, actually.
Address the data I'm sharing and/or provide some counter data yourself. The fact that my kids were injured is irrelevant to this conversation other than it was the event that caused me to question the narrative and do my own research. I would suggest you do the same.
I would mention that there is an extremely high chance these stats are inaccurate on the vax injured side. The Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System - VAERS - which was set up by the government to report injuries was studied by Harvard and it was found that it is likely only about 1% of vax injuries are reported to VAERS. So, the chances are that the serious events per 1000 are substantially higher than what the CDC data says.
Conversely, every time a kid dies from a "vaccine preventable disease" the MSM acts like it's the second coming of the plague, so I imagine those numbers are quite accurate.
Dude, you’re the one who keeps looking for attention with your “I have two kids who were injured by vaccines” nonsense.
It’s embarrassing.
Yeah my kids were injured by vaccines too, because they got hurt while playing sports.
Measles was forever a normal childhood disease. Every child got it and the vast, vast majority got well after about a week of an itchy rash. Afterward they had lifelong immunity Same with chicken pox which I got as a child. In today's world the measles vaccine is packaged with mumps and rubella as the MMR vaccine. My kids got the MMR vaccine.
I do think we are becoming overly reliant on vaccines for diseases that we probably don't need to vaccinate for. COVID vaccines are completely unnecessary for all but the most elderly population and do more harm than good for the young and healthy.
I also hate to say it but the human population grows stronger by being exposed to various diseases over time. Some viruses are so deadly that anyone that gets it will likely die. But those diseases burn themselves out quickly. The worst thing we can do as a population is to close ourselves off and leave our immune systems weaker from the lack of exposure. A small percentage of the population will for no apparent reason always have a much greater reaction to certain viruses than others. This is simply genetics and while it's extremely sad, we an't shut down life for the 99.999% to try to save the .001. We did that with covid and created greater misery in many other forms that we are still working to overcome.
If smallpox ever reappeared in the human population it would be a devastating epidemic similar to what happened in the New World in the 1500s. Nobody alive today has any resistance to the disease. In the 1800s the disease would spread and take many lives, but those who survived had future immunity.
And this is exactly what I said you would do and I didn't even give you any details. Congrats for being completely predictable.
Embarrassing is repeating pharma talking points and dismissing people who have a different opinion rather than addressing the data presented and providing data of your own.
I'd suggest you just sit this one out.
It USED to be a normal childhood disease. It isn’t anymore thank God.
1000/1000 kids who get measles have a serious injury from the virus.
Every kid in the history of mankind who contracted the measles was left with a serious injury?
Seems unlikely.
And yet you haven't addressed any of the data I've presented and have presented none yourself. Nobody on this thread has beyond the "this has been debunked" or suggesting that this topic is settled science which is an oxymoron in itself.
The reality is that the medical system has been captured by Big Pharma and has been for decades. They fund the medical schools. They fund the research and research journals. They control the narrative on everything. I understand that you and Dingle came up in that world and it is extremely difficult and, frankly, dangerous for you to take a deep dive into the counter information. If you did, you may not like what you find and either have to keep your mouth shut or speak out and be ridiculed or worse. Covid has taught us that doctors better get in line with the prevailing wisdom or get targeted.
Anyway, I'm done with this thread. No use having a conversation when one side refuses to address the data presented or present any actual data themselves.
The reality is that the medical system has been captured by Big Pharma and has been for decades. They fund the medical schools. They fund the research and research journals. They control the narrative on everything. I understand that you and Dingle came up in that world and it is extremely difficult and, frankly, dangerous for you to take a deep dive into the counter information. If you did, you may not like what you find and either have to keep your mouth shut or speak out and be ridiculed or worse. Covid has taught us that doctors better get in line with the prevailing wisdom or get targeted.
Anyway, I'm done with this thread. No use having a conversation when one side refuses to address the data presented or present any actual data themselves.
If you consider a rash a serious injury, the Vax injury numbers are going to explode.
So do you apply the same standards to those who do not exercise, are obese, and eat poorly? Look at the difference between body types that f the 60s and 70s versus now. Too many people expect to live however they want and take a magic pill to make them better. I realize there is sickness but between governments releasing them and people not taking care of themselves along with natural aging, we will continue down this same path.
To the forty-two doctors on this board, do you implicitly trust the pharmaceutical industry? So that my position isn't misrepresented, I am not antivax and lean this industry for several medications.
The crazy thing, I don’t believe any of the data. None of it. Guaranteed it’s stacked in the favor of the greedy pigs.
If measles or Covid or anything were serious it would be self evident. Not a bs Sunday morning propaganda piece on NBC about a measles outbreak in Texas. We’d see kids in this neighborhood becoming seriously injured from measles. It’s simply not true and not happening. Same with Covid. People with that died in hospitals with the most worthless evil treatments that stopped their hearts. Tragic
Vaccines are all bogus. Injecting metals and parasites into people so they become ill and slaves to the medical industry. Got to get them when they’re young when their bodies are perfect.
I’m glad people like you exist. You give me hope, and share your worldview more often. It’s like that scene in the matrix where people would rather remain living in a lie than see the truth.
And every kid who had a vaccine induced “injury” didn’t recover? I know multiple pediatricians. Their nurses have given thousands of MMR vaccinations and none have seen a vaccine reaction to the MMR vaccine that didn’t resolve quickly. The nature of Paramyxoviruses make them very injurious with permanent scarring in many cases of viral organs not limited to your lungs.
Healthy skepticism is probably wise. Absolute denial of the benefits produced by new therapies because they make money is foolish. How many new treatments and therapies have been discovered in communist countries? Profits drive innovation. For those of us with immune system diseases the biological treatments have completely changed our lives.
I know one recently graduated D-1 football player who has Crohn’s disease who prior to starting Entyvio couldn’t make it through a day of school. It takes a TREMENDOUS amount of money to get new products that can save or change lives to the public. People need to get over it.
I am on a biologic for PsA, so I get that. To me, it seems like the FDA and mgt of these companies are pretty cozy. Additionally, I've read that highly respected medical professionals will sometimes rubber stamp studies done my the pharma companies, which is troubling. Someone will likely ask me for sources on the previous two statements so I will look a bit later.
To your point about the amount of money it takes to develop new drugs...why are we (USA) funding the R&D? The delta between drugs prices in the US vs Mexico is infuriating.
Very close to the "why don't you want to save grandma" shaming we heard during covid.
They can all get it. Hope that helps.
Dingle, I don't even dislike you, but if you offer up one more bullshit anecdote about people you know I swear to God you buying margaritas until I can't stand up straight.
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