I've read horsesh*t before, but this takes the cake. The man feared for his life, and rightfully so. Cubs fans are kooks beyond all kookie fans in sports. They're considering adding a Cubs diagnosis in the DSM-III.
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I've read horsesh*t before, but this takes the cake. The man feared for his life, and rightfully so. Cubs fans are kooks beyond all kookie fans in sports. They're considering adding a Cubs diagnosis in the DSM-III.
The entire city, all 2.73 million of them?
With all due respect, Bartman went into hiding and refused all interviews, appearances etc. To my knowledge, he only issued one statement about the incident, shortly after the game.
Fox had as much to do with the outing of Bartman because they continued to show that close up of him. Have you boycotted all things associated with Fox as well?
Point being, America is a forgiving society and he could have met this thing head on, put everything out on the table and went on.
What do you say about some of the twitter posts and messages Rose-Ivy received from Nebraska fans? Are you disowning ALL of them too?
With all due respect, Bartman went into hiding and refused all interviews, appearances etc. To my knowledge, he only issued one statement about the incident, shortly after the game.
Fox had as much to do with the outing of Bartman because they continued to show that close up of him. Have you boycotted all things associated with Fox as well?
Point being, America is a forgiving society and he could have met this thing head on, put everything out on the table and went on.
What do you say about some of the twitter posts and messages Rose-Ivy received from Nebraska fans? Are you disowning ALL of them too?
I just don't think that a team "knows how to win" in October. Things change too much. Teammates, chemistry, opponents. If it was so easy then the Giants would win every year. You guys have a great team and probably a better chance than most to win it all this year. We still have to play the games and that's what makes it fun. Enjoy it.
GO RANGERS!
The ones suggesting lynching were probably disowned by people in general long ago. How else would they become so bitter so as to suggest lynching black people? But if you feel inclined, go ahead and align yourself with them. They are people that can rot in hell for all I care.
It may not have been his fault, but if you are saying it's not a curse and the fans are to blame for the curse because of their hatred toward him, let's think about some freak plays that could have went the other way. What if Miami QB had not underthrown his wide open receiver in '95? Would we have won the game? What about the Royals? Jarrod Dyson could've been thrown out stealing 3rd against the Athletics in the Wild Card game in 2014 and we would never have made that run. What if the Royals hadn't strung 4 straight singles together in ALDS game 4 in Houston last year?
If Bartman had let the player catch it, it could have completely changed the history of that postseason and perhaps the next few years. To me, it absolutely defines the Cubs misfortune the past 100 years.
I would have to agree. Personnel does change. I just can't see this being an easy series for the Cubs. This is why I love the postseason in the MLB!
Cardinal fan here. Should be fun watching it all unfold. If forced to bet, I would pick the Cubs. That said, win it all or the season is a total failure is a pretty big albatross to carry around in high leverage situations. I live in this Godforsaken city, so there is a part of me that would like to see what happens if the Cubs win it all. But if they fall apart, that would be fine by me. I wont lose sleep about it either way. Some people just like to watch the world burn......
I don't live my life in "ifs" and "buts." They lost, and the fans took it out on one of their own. Did you see the losing teams in all of those games that you referenced take it out on a player or fan for losing the game? Nope.
When it gets to the point where people start believing in curses and taking it out on people, it's time to shut the franchise down. What's next for Cubs fans, witch burning and human sacrifices to appease the baseball gods?
If you disown every sports team/fan base/coach that has made a mistake or had bad judgement in there actions then what sports team is there out there to like? Must not be a Husker fan either
Well I did see a certain coach on the sidelines saying the fans and media were all against them. "Us vs the world"
Man, Cubs fan are already wound pretty tight right now. Baseball PTSD for many a decade. An L in game 1 would be interesting. Cards won game 1 last year, but the Cubs were playing with house money at that point.....and the Cards were a mess at that point in the season.
Honestly, I dont think the Giants have the bats to get it done, but the playoffs are all about pitching and if Cueto and Madbum have it together, it should go 5.
This isn't about me, this is about you.
I haven't associated myself with anyone other than the group of people who believe Bartman could have lessened the impact on him personally by speaking up and not hiding for 13 years.
You are the one that broad stroked the entire population of the city of Chicago, and every Cub fan as turning on their own. Yet when it was a team you support, you are somehow able to compartmentalize the bad fans from the good ones. Are the death threats that Rose Ivy received less credible or less real than those Bartman received? If so, why?
just be consistent. Either paint all fan bases with broad strokes for the actions of a few or don't do it at all.
Are you friends with Bartman or something? I was illustrating a point that one single play or string of plays can change the outcome of a game and the forseeable future of a team or franchise.
Good Lord, another person that can't identify hyperbole. Do you REALLY think I meant that every person in Chicago was at the throat of Steve Bartman??? Wouldn't you ask yourself..."Well, what about White Sox fans? They would love Steve Bartman, wouldn't they?"
Next time I'll use an asterisk personally for you...
* Tuco, don't take this post literally.
First of all, it's "their." Secondly, there has never been a case like that of Cubs fans, where an entire fan base (*) has gone after one of their own, so you don't have anything to compare to that incident. Congratulations Cubs fans, you are in a category all of your own.
* Tuco, don't take this literally
Have you been to a New York fan base? Or Philadelphia fan base? You here boo's all the time aiming at a player that is preforming badly. See also A-rod
Ok then let's leave the hyperbole out Husker Du. Since you didn't respond to the point of the message which was the inconsistency and borderline hypocrisy of you posts.
You still wish poorly on the Cubs as a whole and say they get what they deserve because a few fans made death threats against Bartman, who is one of their own. Yet when a few Nebraska fans make death threats toward Rose Ivy, you somehow are able to cast them off as degenerates and hold no ill will toward the Nebraska football program as a whole.
Is that clear enough for you?
The real reason the cubs havent won for a century is poor management/ownership. Think if that 03 team had acquired a top closer like we did this year instead of relying on joe borowski. He would have been in the game instead of leaving an obviously done mark prior in.
Why would I have to be friends with him to understand what happened to him was completely wrong? Obviously what transpired after he got in the way of that ball being caught made him fearful for his safety. And no matter what he would have said, it wouldn't have changed the mind of some of the blood thirsty kooks.
Why did he have to come out and make a statement? Why didn't the Cubs organization come out and make a statement welcoming him back as a Cubs fan, and treating him with some compassion and respect?
How quickly Cubs fans forget...that moments later Cubs' SS Alex Gonzalez booted what would have been an inning-ending double play AND they still could have won Game 7, at Wrigley. Why wasn't he treated like garbage by the fans for losing the series? Not to mention that Florida scored 8 runs in that inning. Wanna win a WS? Don't play like sh*t when you are ahead 3-0.
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I know one thing...if Cubs fans wouldn't have ruined this man's life, I would be squarely in my seat watching them this post-season, and rooting for them to finally get over that hurdle and win the WS. But I won't be, for obvious reasons.
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Ok then let's leave the hyperbole out Husker Du. Since you didn't respond to the point of the message which was the inconsistency and borderline hypocrisy of you posts.
You still wish poorly on the Cubs as a whole and say they get what they deserve because a few fans made death threats against Bartman, who is one of their own. Yet when a few Nebraska fans make death threats toward Rose Ivy, you somehow are able to cast them off as degenerates and hold no ill will toward the Nebraska football program as a whole.
Is that clear enough for you?
No, actually none of this ridiculous post makes much sense to me.
If you can show me where the Cubs organization took a stand against those fans and tried to welcome Steve Bartman back into the fold, then I might listen. There's a reason why the guy went into seclusion for 13 years...because the Cubs organization allowed it to happen. We saw what the University of Nebraska did, which was completely correct, and they immediately supported what was right.
There's no comparison between these two incidents, and you suggesting there is makes me further question your judgement.
Ok then let's leave the hyperbole out Husker Du. Since you didn't respond to the point of the message which was the inconsistency and borderline hypocrisy of you posts.
You still wish poorly on the Cubs as a whole and say they get what they deserve because a few fans made death threats against Bartman, who is one of their own. Yet when a few Nebraska fans make death threats toward Rose Ivy, you somehow are able to cast them off as degenerates and hold no ill will toward the Nebraska football program as a whole.
Is that clear enough for you?
No, actually none of this ridiculous post makes much sense to me.
If you can show me where the Cubs organization took a stand against those fans and tried to welcome Steve Bartman back into the fold, then I might listen. There's a reason why the guy went into seclusion for 13 years...because the Cubs organization allowed it to happen. We saw what the University of Nebraska did, which was completely correct, and they immediately supported what was right.
There's no comparison between these two incidents, and you suggesting there is makes me further question your judgement.
I deleted nothing. The post is still there. #58. nice try though.
You are the one calling out the organization as a whole and that they ruined the man's life, show me where they didn't reach out to him. Saying they didn't doesn't prove they didn't. You are the one making accusations. Prove them to be true. You are using one side of the story as a basis for your whole opinion.
You are the one calling out the organization as a whole and that they ruined the man's life, show me where they didn't reach out to him. Saying they didn't doesn't prove they didn't. You are the one making accusations. Prove them to be true. You are using one side of the story as a basis for your whole opinion.
I agree. I am a huge cubs fan and Lackey comes off as an ass. The cubs had a simulated game the other day and Rizzo did a bat flip on Lackey after hitting off of him. hahahaha
Yeah, you're right...instead of taking the Cubs organization up on welcoming him back into the Cubs' family, Bartman chose to live for 13 years in seclusion. And I'm sure the papers are littered with stories of incidents that didn't happen. Sigh...
Listen, if you keep pitching me softballs, I'll keep obliging you and continue blasting them out of the park. Just a little baseball reference for those watching at home.
Watching at home like the Royals
There's 3 times you've missed the point entirely. Bravo.
I think you're confusing me with an angry Royals fan, of which there are probably very few. The Royals had 2 seasons in a row that pretty much every fanbase in baseball would take in an instant. Especially one that hasn't had to worry about their October schedule being inconvenienced by baseball for years.
However the Cubs are build for the present and the future. Theo build from the ground up and will have the Cubs in this position for years to come.
Perfect description of what I feel...that last 5 months should have me feeling confident but once the playoff robot beat the Mets last night I immediately felt a sense of oh crap this isnt gonna end well again
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I have to admit that a small part of me would like to see the Cubs win it all for all of those good fans that have supported them for years and weren't involved in the poor treatment of Bartman. But then I think of a guy whose life was turned completely upside down by a large number of bitter, delusional fans that should have placed the blame on a pitching staff that gave up 8 runs in one inning.
I'm not going to get my hopes up. It's a very good team but the best teams don't always win the WS.
I really, truly, do believe that Alou would have made the catch and with two outs the cubs would have gotten out of the 8th inning ahead. In the 9th the Cubs would have faced the bottom of the Marlins batting order.
The 2003 Cubs had a very good starting rotation and following a trade with the Pirates for Aramis Ramirez and Keny Lofton, and excellent batting order. The bullpen was weak, however, and that played a role in how Baker managed them. I still think that Game 7 was also very winnable if Matt Clement had been brought in to relieve a clearly tired Kerry Wood. McKeon brought in their best starter (Josh Becket) and shut the Cubs down the rest of the way (after pitching in game 5). Clement was great and game 4 and would have been a better option than Farnsworth and company.
