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The comments made by Osborne this morning will be a tough pill for a portion of the fanbase to swallow.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/tom-os...cle_8445f880-7055-11e6-bde1-bffcf220df31.html

"I took a chance on Bo Pelini," Osborne said. "Bo won a lot of games, but I didn't really know probably enough about his character, and some of those things jumped up and bit him and bit the program."

"It didn't work out as well as I had hoped."
 
I'd rather he say that as opposed to clinging to the idea he was a good coach who shouldn't have been fired. Bravo. Now having said that, there were plenty of warnings about his (lack of) recruiting prowess, which really when you think about it, was his major flaw and undoing. I am certain Bo could have been a nice (enough) guy to have around if he had won more of the games that mattered once and a while. Like Cowherd said once, everybody is a nice guy when their kid is hitting home runs in little league. If Bo had some more thoroughbreds in the stable that would have happened, and we probably wouldn't have seen some of the meltdowns. One thing led to another and viola, crazy guy was born.
 
The comments made by Osborne this morning will be a tough pill for a portion of the fanbase to swallow.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/tom-os...cle_8445f880-7055-11e6-bde1-bffcf220df31.html

"I took a chance on Bo Pelini," Osborne said. "Bo won a lot of games, but I didn't really know probably enough about his character, and some of those things jumped up and bit him and bit the program."

"It didn't work out as well as I had hoped."

I LMAO when he told the story of his grandkids and Disneyland. TO was always good at self-deprecating humor.
 
A lot of stuff in that article worth discussion. First, it's nice to see Osborne admit that Bo was crazy. However, the hire, at the time, made sense and his logic made perfect sense. While he may not have been everyone's first choice, I don't remember anyone saying it was a bad hire other than those who wished we'd hired someone with head coaching experience. Hindsight is 20/20 and he did win some games, but the 9 win a year thing wore off and it became apparent he wasn't going to get us anywhere worth going.

Next, I still wish we would have kept Solich and I'm not ashamed to say it. I was mad at the move when it happened and I will never forgive Steve P for what he did. The Colorado game should have gone down as a black eye, much like Iowa State in 78; instead it is known as the "death of nebraska football" but it wasn't and it didn't need to be. He should have been given more years after the staff shake-up. I have no doubt he would have at the very least won a few more conference titles, but it doesn't matter now I guess. I love the hypocrites who say "it's a different era" but won't allow themselves to say that about Solich.

Lastly, two things amaze me about Tom Osborne:
1) Everything he has done for this football program and this state
2) How many people are so vicious and vile toward him now

I don't understand all the hate. Did he make some hires that didn't work out? Yes, but what was he suppose to do? I think people forget just how low things were with Callahan/Steve P. That OK State game was one of the strangest days of my life and I'm not exaggerating. Just looking at people was sad. He had to step in and try to do something, no one else was more fitting. And he did what he thought was right. It's okay to disagree with it, but what was he supposed to do? Say "I made bad hires, so I'm going to go do you all a favor and step in front of oncoming traffic now."

What bugs me is it seems the hate has spilled over into trying to tarnish his coaching career. "Oh, we didn't have scholarship limits. Oh, everyone did steroids. Oh Tom screwed up Phillips. Oh, Tom never played anybody." and so on and so forth. It's all a load of crock. He was the best coach of his era of the best program of the era, playing by the rules everyone else of the era was playing by. He gave many Husker fans some of the greatest moments of their life and no one would care as much as they do now without him having the career he did. He has done wonderful things for this state, and frankly I'm not going to go cry in the corner because he's not out there talking about how great Riley is or because he hired someone who turned out to be a maniac. Grow up, people.

Sorry about the rant.
 
This sort of left a bad taste to have all this stuff brought up 2 days before a new season.. To me, I think we all could have done without Tom's turd droppings.
 
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Oh boo hoo. Is it possible that he's a man who has a real opinion and is keeping it to himself? I've read that he has wished him well and thinks he's a good guy.

boo hoo? I asked a question, you didn't answer it. Are you trying to tell us a "real opinion" is something people should keep to themselves? Is there a "fake opinion" too, or just a "real opinion"?

He had a real opinion of Bo Pelini too, from 2007-2013. Three years later, his opinion isn't the same.

I ask again, where's his support of coach Riley?
 
A lot of stuff in that article worth discussion. First, it's nice to see Osborne admit that Bo was crazy. However, the hire, at the time, made sense and his logic made perfect sense. While he may not have been everyone's first choice, I don't remember anyone saying it was a bad hire other than those who wished we'd hired someone with head coaching experience. Hindsight is 20/20 and he did win some games, but the 9 win a year thing wore off and it became apparent he wasn't going to get us anywhere worth going.

Next, I still wish we would have kept Solich and I'm not ashamed to say it. I was mad at the move when it happened and I will never forgive Steve P for what he did. The Colorado game should have gone down as a black eye, much like Iowa State in 78; instead it is known as the "death of nebraska football" but it wasn't and it didn't need to be. He should have been given more years after the staff shake-up. I have no doubt he would have at the very least won a few more conference titles, but it doesn't matter now I guess. I love the hypocrites who say "it's a different era" but won't allow themselves to say that about Solich.

Lastly, two things amaze me about Tom Osborne:
1) Everything he has done for this football program and this state
2) How many people are so vicious and vile toward him now

I don't understand all the hate. Did he make some hires that didn't work out? Yes, but what was he suppose to do? I think people forget just how low things were with Callahan/Steve P. That OK State game was one of the strangest days of my life and I'm not exaggerating. Just looking at people was sad. He had to step in and try to do something, no one else was more fitting. And he did what he thought was right. It's okay to disagree with it, but what was he supposed to do? Say "I made bad hires, so I'm going to go do you all a favor and step in front of oncoming traffic now."

What bugs me is it seems the hate has spilled over into trying to tarnish his coaching career. "Oh, we didn't have scholarship limits. Oh, everyone did steroids. Oh Tom screwed up Phillips. Oh, Tom never played anybody." and so on and so forth. It's all a load of crock. He was the best coach of his era of the best program of the era, playing by the rules everyone else of the era was playing by. He gave many Husker fans some of the greatest moments of their life and no one would care as much as they do now without him having the career he did. He has done wonderful things for this state, and frankly I'm not going to go cry in the corner because he's not out there talking about how great Riley is or because he hired someone who turned out to be a maniac. Grow up, people.

Sorry about the rant.

He's a legendary coach, and he was our coach from Hastings. It seems like most of his interviews revolve around his time being involved with the University. I don't see what the problem is.
 
He's a legendary coach, and he was our coach from Hastings. It seems like most of his interviews revolve around his time being involved with the University. I don't see what the problem is.


See the thread chasing ghosts.

Don't get me wrong. It's not like he shouldn't be revered for the 25 years he gave to coach Nebraska football, because he should. But for crying out loud let the man live his retired life. What does TO think of this, would TO approve of that, did TO handle it that way? TO wouldn't run this defense. Why did TO make that decision?

Constantly looking for his approval, explanation, and guidance or comparing now to then is beyond unhealthy.

If you don't think his presence as AD and in the community factored in to some coaches not wanting to come to Lincoln, I BELIEVE or IN MY OPINION, you are wrong.

Ps not hating on Tom Osborne, it's just time to move on.
 
A lot of stuff in that article worth discussion. First, it's nice to see Osborne admit that Bo was crazy. However, the hire, at the time, made sense and his logic made perfect sense. While he may not have been everyone's first choice, I don't remember anyone saying it was a bad hire other than those who wished we'd hired someone with head coaching experience. Hindsight is 20/20 and he did win some games, but the 9 win a year thing wore off and it became apparent he wasn't going to get us anywhere worth going.

Next, I still wish we would have kept Solich and I'm not ashamed to say it. I was mad at the move when it happened and I will never forgive Steve P for what he did. The Colorado game should have gone down as a black eye, much like Iowa State in 78; instead it is known as the "death of nebraska football" but it wasn't and it didn't need to be. He should have been given more years after the staff shake-up. I have no doubt he would have at the very least won a few more conference titles, but it doesn't matter now I guess. I love the hypocrites who say "it's a different era" but won't allow themselves to say that about Solich.

Lastly, two things amaze me about Tom Osborne:
1) Everything he has done for this football program and this state
2) How many people are so vicious and vile toward him now

I don't understand all the hate. Did he make some hires that didn't work out? Yes, but what was he suppose to do? I think people forget just how low things were with Callahan/Steve P. That OK State game was one of the strangest days of my life and I'm not exaggerating. Just looking at people was sad. He had to step in and try to do something, no one else was more fitting. And he did what he thought was right. It's okay to disagree with it, but what was he supposed to do? Say "I made bad hires, so I'm going to go do you all a favor and step in front of oncoming traffic now."

What bugs me is it seems the hate has spilled over into trying to tarnish his coaching career. "Oh, we didn't have scholarship limits. Oh, everyone did steroids. Oh Tom screwed up Phillips. Oh, Tom never played anybody." and so on and so forth. It's all a load of crock. He was the best coach of his era of the best program of the era, playing by the rules everyone else of the era was playing by. He gave many Husker fans some of the greatest moments of their life and no one would care as much as they do now without him having the career he did. He has done wonderful things for this state, and frankly I'm not going to go cry in the corner because he's not out there talking about how great Riley is or because he hired someone who turned out to be a maniac. Grow up, people.

Sorry about the rant.
For some of us it is possible to separate the coach from the man, and doing so does not mean "hate". As much as I loved him as a coach and the heights he took our program to, I felt essentially frocking Solich as his replacement while Bryne was out of town was improper. I feel down-selecting Pelini from a small set of candidates he had ties to instead of having a national coaching search was ill-advised. I feel the same way about how Eichorst hired Riley. It is just not how CEO positions are filled. And I think (what I perceive as) giving Riley the cold shoulder is petty. The above doesn't mean I "hate" the man, it just means I don't agree with everything he does all the time just because he was a great coach.
 
For some of us it is possible to separate the coach from the man, and doing so does not mean "hate". As much as I loved him as a coach and the heights he took our program to, I felt essentially frocking Solich as his replacement while Bryne was out of town was improper. I feel down-selecting Pelini from a small set of candidates he had ties to instead of having a national coaching search was ill-advised. I feel the same way about how Eichorst hired Riley. It is just not how CEO positions are filled. And I think (what I perceive as) giving Riley the cold shoulder is petty. The above doesn't mean I "hate" the man, it just means I don't agree with everything he does all the time just because he was a great coach.

Exactly. Tom should be revered for the coach and man he was. As AD, he can be questioned for his judgement. Two bad hires and he hasn't been supportive of those not hired by him. And yes, he should be supportive. He made it very political. Still love the guy.
 
Took some guts to admit he was wrong on Bo. I would have expected that he would stand behind how hard it is to win 9 games every year. His statement about Bo was spot on.

I respect the hell out of Tom. I'm sure he and many of us can't help but wonder where we would be if Frank wasn't let go.
 
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For some of us it is possible to separate the coach from the man, and doing so does not mean "hate". As much as I loved him as a coach and the heights he took our program to, I felt essentially frocking Solich as his replacement while Bryne was out of town was improper. I feel down-selecting Pelini from a small set of candidates he had ties to instead of having a national coaching search was ill-advised. I feel the same way about how Eichorst hired Riley. It is just not how CEO positions are filled. And I think (what I perceive as) giving Riley the cold shoulder is petty. The above doesn't mean I "hate" the man, it just means I don't agree with everything he does all the time just because he was a great coach.
I don't disagree with this. You're right: you can disagree with the man and say things were ill-advised. I haven't always agreed with him either. I don't like his stance on a few university-related things.
What I'm talking about are those who are quick to try to slam him as some sort of defense for Riley. Or those who did it when Bo was coach. Or those who try to diminish what he accomplished which is nonsense. Hell my father is one of them.
 
It's unfortunate he will not come out and support Riley. Funny that some people here thought TO and Riley were all buddy buddy and game planned together...
 
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What did Tom Osborne believe. He wrote books about it. According to his philosophy, in Nebraska you have to run the ball... a lot. Running the ball wins games, wins championships according to Osborne. What do you think Osborne would say if you asked, "how successful will a NU team be throwing the ball 50% of the time". I think I know the answer to that question.

Do you want Osborne to lie and give ringing endorsements for something he doesn't believe will result in high level success?

Before I get tabbed as a #runtheballguy, I don't know that there's only one way to win at NU. But, I'm not gonna ask Tom Osborne to be a hypocrite and proclaim what Mike Riley does is the best way.

He gives cordial responses concerning Mike Riley, what more do people want, and what more is needed. Mike Riley has control over his own destiny.
 
What did Tom Osborne believe. He wrote books about it. According to his philosophy, in Nebraska you have to run the ball... a lot. Running the ball wins games, wins championships according to Osborne. What do you think Osborne would say if you asked, "how successful will a NU team be throwing the ball 50% of the time". I think I know the answer to that question.

Do you want Osborne to lie and give ringing endorsements for something he doesn't believe will result in high level success?

Before I get tabbed as a #runtheballguy, I don't know that there's only one way to win at NU. But, I'm not gonna ask Tom Osborne to be a hypocrite and proclaim what Mike Riley does is the best way.

He gives cordial responses concerning Mike Riley, what more do people want, and what more is needed. Mike Riley has control over his own destiny.


Agree completely with what you wrote. The problem is that some people continue to ask his opinion on Riley after he has already gave all of an answer he is going to give. I don't know who books the guests for the Big Red Breakfasts, but with a due respect, is it possible to bring in guests that are going to talk about this year's team? Especially opening week.

I just don't understand the need to rehash this same tired stuff time and time again. Did anyone really believe that Osborne approved of how Pelini acted toward the players, the refs and the fan base? Did we really need to hear him say it?
 
What did Tom Osborne believe. He wrote books about it. According to his philosophy, in Nebraska you have to run the ball... a lot. Running the ball wins games, wins championships according to Osborne. What do you think Osborne would say if you asked, "how successful will a NU team be throwing the ball 50% of the time". I think I know the answer to that question.

Do you want Osborne to lie and give ringing endorsements for something he doesn't believe will result in high level success?

Before I get tabbed as a #runtheballguy, I don't know that there's only one way to win at NU. But, I'm not gonna ask Tom Osborne to be a hypocrite and proclaim what Mike Riley does is the best way.

He gives cordial responses concerning Mike Riley, what more do people want, and what more is needed. Mike Riley has control over his own destiny.

You forgot that Osborne was also a passing guy. People forget that he brought a pro-set offense to NU when hired by Devaney. Yes, he evolved to a run heavy offense, but that was in order to be competitive with the dominant program in the Big 8, OU. Rather than run first philosophy, Tom was able to adapt and put personnel and strategies that allowed his teams to succeed. If he were coaching today I'm sure he would have went through a spread phase, a west coast phase and whatever the du jour style we may see today. His teams were never static.
 
I for one am glad Tom isn't all up in Riley's business about the current state of Nebraska football. He should only be concerned about when to take his naps and go fishing. Legendary football coach, but people need to stop making him out to be an all-knowing oracle of all things football. Let Riley pass the ball 100% of the time and hand out yellow jersey's to his starting defense for all I care as long as he recruits and wins games.
 
It's unfortunate he will not come out and support Riley. Funny that some people here thought TO and Riley were all buddy buddy and game planned together...

I think Tom is wise in limiting his comments about Riley. He has stated he hopes Riley does well. What more do you want him to say? Tom is no longer in a position of authority at Nebraska so I think he is deferring to those in control to voice their opinion of the program.
 
I think Tom is wise in limiting his comments about Riley. He has stated he hopes Riley does well. What more do you want him to say? Tom is no longer in a position of authority at Nebraska so I think he is deferring to those in control to voice their opinion of the program.

You mean other than when he accepts an invitation to speak about the program?

I agree with your premiss but by accepting these invites, he gives the impression he wants to talk about it and be involved.
 
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I think Tom is wise in limiting his comments about Riley. He has stated he hopes Riley does well. What more do you want him to say? Tom is no longer in a position of authority at Nebraska so I think he is deferring to those in control to voice their opinion of the program.

Because he accepted to speak at an event to talk about the program. It's not too much to ask to show support for this new staff. Instead he would rather continue to give them the cold shoulder. At least he sort of admitted Bo was a mistake so there is that.
 
Because he accepted to speak at an event to talk about the program. It's not too much to ask to show support for this new staff. Instead he would rather continue to give them the cold shoulder. At least he sort of admitted Bo was a mistake so there is that.

I think the interview was perfect. Those looking for the Pelini vs Riley thing out of him are reaching.
 
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I think the interview was perfect. Those looking for the Pelini vs Riley thing out of him are reaching.

Considering kickoff is less than 48 hours away, it's not a reach for him to comment on the program. He's been a part of the playoff committee so he's been connected to the game, especially considering Michigan State and Iowa were both in contention very late in to the season.

Not one media member had the nads to ask him why he's declined Coach Riley's multiple invites to talk with the team. Believe it or not, he still has an impact over the program; team, fans, recruits and everyone involved. Especially now that the NCAA allows schools to pay for parents/guardians.

People aren't reaching, they're sharing their thoughts on a message board. And their thoughts have validity to them; whether you, I and anyone else likes it.
 
Considering kickoff is less than 48 hours away, it's not a reach for him to comment on the program. He's been a part of the playoff committee so he's been connected to the game, especially considering Michigan State and Iowa were both in contention very late in to the season.

Not one media member had the nads to ask him why he's declined Coach Riley's multiple invites to talk with the team. Believe it or not, he still has an impact over the program; team, fans, recruits and everyone involved. Especially now that the NCAA allows schools to pay for parents/guardians.

People aren't reaching, they're sharing their thoughts on a message board. And their thoughts have validity to them; whether you, I and anyone else likes it.
Thanks for this information. I was not aware that Osborne had turned down Riley's requests to speak to the team. Not good
 
Maybe he just doesn't want to. He doesn't own anyone anything.
 
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