Oklahoma is officially Nebraska 2.0 (maybe worse)

[jkeb]

It’s an observable FACT that they’ve tried to do whatever it takes to get back to the top. They’ve poured tens of millions of dollars in to coaches, staff, facilities, players etc and thus far it hasn’t worked. It’s yet to be seen if Rhule can edit his staff and make it work.

It appears that hiring head football coaches is a bit of the roll of the dice and a lot of that coach’s success is built on his coordinators and starting QBs. Right now we have a struggling freshman QB and a subpar OC. Bringing in Holgerson is more evidence of an administration being willing to spend the money to “do what it takes”. Will more experience and a new OC help Raiola or do we need to hit the portal this off season to fix our QB situation.

I appreciate the thorough response, but we must have different ideas of what it means to do "whatever it takes". If the goal is possible and you do not achieve the result, it is a fact you did not do whatever it takes. You can say you tried, you did your best, you did what was reasonable, you did what you thought would work, you did everything you could think of, etc, but you cannot say you did whatever it takes if you don't get the result.

Now if you truly have been doing whatever it takes for 25 years without success, it is reasonable to re-evaluate if your goal is even possible. This is why it will be especially interesting to watch Oklahoma. Let's see if they can will themselves back to the top now that they are - at least temporarily - in a position similar to the one Nebraska has been stuck in for decades. If Oklahoma can do it from where they are now, then Nebraska could have and still can with the right leadership.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Their talent is middle of the road in the SEC at max......

we all kinda knew what would happen to them after joining the SEC.. Texas has a better chance of standing up to the talent, but many people figured OU would have a tougher go of it.

 

[dinglefritz]

They've had top ten classes the past five years and even beyond. It's not a talent problem, it's a coaching problem. A better staff could figure out where to plug in the pieces and get them going again. Sooners in the last ten years are 7-3 against Texas, and right now, the horns have the better staff.

They’re in somewhat of a similar situation as us IMO. Fix their offense and they’ll be just fine. Gignetti’s instant success is making life very tough for a lot of head coaches. Irrational fans believe that his immediate success is the norm and that’s just not the normal progression.

 

[dinglefritz]

I appreciate the thorough response, but we must have different ideas of what it means to do "whatever it takes". If the goal is possible and you do not achieve the result, it is a fact you did not do whatever it takes. You can say you tried, you did your best, you did what was reasonable, you did what you thought would work, you did everything you could think of, etc, but you cannot say you did whatever it takes if you don't get the result.

Now if you truly have been doing whatever it takes for 25 years without success, it is reasonable to re-evaluate if your goal is even possible. This is why it will be especially interesting to watch Oklahoma. Let's see if they can will themselves back to the top now that they are - at least temporarily - in a position similar to the one Nebraska has been stuck in for decades. If Oklahoma can do it from where they are now, then Nebraska could have and still can with the right leadership.

“Doing” whatever it takes is limited by what you can legally do. Do you want to hire hit men to take out opposing coaches and QBs? You can in hindsight say that we’ve failed to hire the right guys but other than holding on to Frost too long most recently we’ve done everything possible to win.

 

[scarletred]

My biggest bitch with ou is they didn’t want to continue to yearly rivalry game with Nebraska when the big 12 was formed and they always voted with Texas never supported Nebraska just like all the other teams, had the annual rivalry continued we wouldn’t be in the crappy big 10, maybe the big 12 doesn’t have the money the big ten get but there brand of football is more fun to watch some of the big 10 games are painful to watch

Totally agree with you, other than Oregon or Ohio St and USC the brand is pretty boring offense..

 

[drubendall]

The older players aren’t the problem. The OC and a freshman QB are the problems. The knee jerk reaction is to blame everyone instead of identifying the problem and fixing it. I don’t care how polished a freshman QB looks in practice, you can’t call the offense as if he’s a veteran NFL QB.

Fix the OC’s play calling and we’re at 7 wins right now. 😡

Agree on this. It is so simplistic and foolish to call an entire class or two cancer. Sure, there’s a couple of guys that aren’t all that great, but I’m not throwing the whole lot in in the trash bin. If you think you’re going to start an entire offense or defensive line with freshman and sophomores, you’re gonna have serious trouble,

These guys are under performing and under utilized and that lays 100% at the feet of the coaches. We weren’t expecting greatness out of them, but the team should be further along.

 

[drubendall]

I appreciate the thorough response, but we must have different ideas of what it means to do "whatever it takes". If the goal is possible and you do not achieve the result, it is a fact you did not do whatever it takes. You can say you tried, you did your best, you did what was reasonable, you did what you thought would work, you did everything you could think of, etc, but you cannot say you did whatever it takes if you don't get the result.

Now if you truly have been doing whatever it takes for 25 years without success, it is reasonable to re-evaluate if your goal is even possible. This is why it will be especially interesting to watch Oklahoma. Let's see if they can will themselves back to the top now that they are - at least temporarily - in a position similar to the one Nebraska has been stuck in for decades. If Oklahoma can do it from where they are now, then Nebraska could have and still can with the right leadership.

I expect it to be harder than ever for teams to establish themselves in a dominant position for an extended amount of time. When it does happen and it’s rare, It’s either a very special coach or just a handful of really special players that are being maximized. In Nebraska’s case, it was an early advantage in training and the system that they ran along with a very smart coach that could maintain consistent excellent results.

I don’t expect Alabama or Georgia to string together years of championships. Texas is going to rise up a little bit, maybe Ohio State if they get their act together or Oregon. Clemson isn’t what it used to be. USC has been nothing special for years. Florida used to be a force. You get my point.

 

[GaRed]

Hilarious to watch.

**** OU.

In a real conference now and finding out they play some defense.

 

[mgbreis]

I know the majority on here think firing Rhule at the end of this season would be monumentally stupid and rash.

Because it would be. Venables is tearing down a powerhouse. Rhule is trying to turn around the WORST PROGRAM IN POWER CONFERENCE FOOTBALL. There is no comparison.

 

[NUSouth]

Hilarious to watch.

**** OU.

And Oklahoma State is even worse how badly they’ve torpedoed

 

[thall_]

And Oklahoma State is even worse how badly they’ve torpedoed

Maybe.

I couldn’t see OU beating Arkansas or playing BYU as tough as Oklahoma State has

 

[Chief Wiggum]

GIven how poor OU's QB play is....why wouldn't you give Casey Thompson a shot? Almost can't be any worse

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

? I don't understand the hate.. we have always had fairly respectful interactions with OU and their fanbase.. Personally don't like seeing posts like this directed at that school or fanbase.

I don’t hate Oklahoma but I don’t like them either. It was a great rivalry in the Big-8. It was the game I looked forward to every year during the Eighties and up through the Mid-Nineties. It was THE Rivalry game. When they formed the Big-12 and we didn’t play Oklahoma every year, it just wasn’t the same.

I do hate Texas. It is a great day whenever they lose in ANY sport!

 

[phoenix4nu]

 

[oldjar07]

It’s an observable FACT that they’ve tried to do whatever it takes to get back to the top. They’ve poured tens of millions of dollars in to coaches, staff, facilities, players etc and thus far it hasn’t worked. It’s yet to be seen if Rhule can edit his staff and make it work.

It appears that hiring head football coaches is a bit of the roll of the dice and a lot of that coach’s success is built on his coordinators and starting QBs. Right now we have a struggling freshman QB and a subpar OC. Bringing in Holgerson is more evidence of an administration being willing to spend the money to “do what it takes”. Will more experience and a new OC help Raiola or do we need to hit the portal this off season to fix our QB situation.

 

[phoenix4nu]

GIven how poor OU's QB play is....why wouldn't you give Casey Thompson a shot? Almost can't be any worse

You’re not the only one thinking that way.

Column: It's Time for Oklahoma to Give Casey Thompson a Shot at QB

 

[61bigredfan]

I live in Oklahoma, if you think OU fans respect Nebraska you are sadly mistake

Wrong, troll

 

[dinglefritz]

Give me specifics of what the administration should be doing differently to try to win. Hindsight on a coaching hire doesn’t count. We’ve paid through the nose for a couple of the hottest names the last two hires and that hasn’t worked.

 

[thall_]

Wrong, troll

didn’t ask you, you decrepit cuņt

 

[AVeritas]

another case of be careful what you ask for, the grass isn't always greener across the fence, they opened a can of worms, and other overused idioms. ou finished 3-6 in the b12 venables first year. two of his three years they were not ranked in the cfp final. i'm guessing this is more about him than the sec based on how texas is doing. they are comparable programs after all.

 

[Landomatic]

Maybe we can backchannel OU to go back to the Big 12 with us. I know I'm living in the past, but I could definitely get behind that

 

[AVeritas]

Maybe we can backchannel OU to go back to the Big 12 with us. I know I'm living in the past, but I could definitely get behind that

that would be splendid and likely the result of congressional action or what should be a quite obvious rationalization of college sports.

i watched ou mbb last night. it was like a funeral in their gym. it's not only football that's struggling. clearly, they do not enjoy the benefits of a N-like fanbase.