Ohio State and Michigan

[EmormousDouchebag]

So because they didnt win, lost close, they didnt deserve to be there and all the BiG sucks. Great reasoning. SEC's been up for years, Great coaches. Of course theyre getting players. I dont get the dick measuring going on and TBH, the egos are off the charts in these posts. NIL boys, remember? Its the great equalizer and stuff. Who gives a shit, other than nebraska not being there its senseless childish nu-uh IM RIGHT bickering.

 

[SOHusker11]

Iowa would have been 9-3 and won the west if they score 14 points every game. 14 stinking points with a third year starting QB. That’s insane to me. It’s more insane that Brian hasn’t been fired.

I do think Iowa’s defense was stellar this year. Especially, when you consider the predicaments the offense put them in. The OSU game is a perfect example. The offense gave OSU starting field position at the Iowa 32, Iowa 34, Iowa 27, and the Iowa 32 in the first half. OSU settled for FG’s all four times. Then you had the pick 6 Spencer threw. 26 first half points for OSU and only 7 could be attributed to the Iowa defense. (Long 75 yard drive for a TD by OSU).

Second half starts and Iowa picks off Stroud on the first play and Iowa gets the ball T the OSU 45. What’s the Iowa offense do? Fumbles the first snap and puts the defense back onto the field. The defense then forces a 3 and out. Two plays later Iowa throws a pick. OSU goes 15 yards for the score. Holding OSU to 360 yards of total offense is pretty good, IMO.

Held Michigan to 27 points, (7 came with a short 28 yard field when the offense turned it over on downs late in the game.)

Purdue was third highest on your list and Iowa held them to 3 points in West Lafayette.

I do believe they had a CFP defense but a high school non playoff offense.

Michigan doesn’t get enough shit for their schedules. And numbers can absolutely be reflective of competition. Minnesota is the same.

Cooper DeJean is an elite defender as well, as we saw with his MVP performance yesterday. Next years defense is gonna be another stellar one.

Blah, blah, blah.

You are so fos it's just comical. More excuses than a broke hooker. Did you have the right shoes?

You played one real offense all year and got piss pounded just like you always do when you play anybody worth a shit.

 

[pascal]

B10
4-0 in regular bowl games and represent half the final four, a mouse whisker away from the NC being all B10.

Yet, there is this mindset among some Husker fans to never admit anything positive....puzzling.

 

[WHCSC]

They are updated to include yesterday's games.

Link here.

So maybe it was the B1G defenses that made their offensive rank so low.

 

[9and4]

So maybe it was the B1G defenses that made their offensive rank so low.

Ah, the ultimate existential football statistical dilemma. Which came first? The crappy offense or the good defense?

 

[WHCSC]

Ah, the ultimate existential football statistical dilemma. Which came first? The crappy offense or the good defense?

Exactly

 

[Yantzeee]

Maybe the dumbest post I’ve ever read in my 20+ years on this board

Is Ohio State and Michigan good? Well yeah, they played in the playoff, lost there game by a possession and had to to battle the zebras too.

FYI- ball bounces differently one time in both those games and we are talking an all B1G championship game. But some people (especially the ones that never played sports) don’t understand that. So hopefully that sinks in to the ones saying the B1G didn’t belong. Would you have said whoever lost “didn’t belong”? Dumbest post ever

 

[BleedRed78]

Sorry iowas d is not good

Anytime they faced even agerage speed they were exposed

B1G is the no offense league. Best quarterback this “elite” conference has produced in 20 years is Kirk cousins

Gary Danielson finally mentioned Mich’s comically cowardly schedule in the 4th quarter after 3 hours of “ranked top ___” each time they were gashed

If campbell is any good he’ll have a long nfl career. Here’s guessing he’s a nobody at the next level

Your schtick is getting old bub

 

[king_kong_]

Your schtick is getting old bub

How’d your book do, COntrary?

 

[BleedRed78]

How’d your book do?

Lol why would you go to that? Still unreleased/unpublished. Focusing more on my music at the moment.

 

[king_kong_]

Lol why would you go to that? Still unreleased/unpublished. Focusing more on my music at the moment.

We’re talking “schticks”, aren’t we?

Ah, well. One day

 

[pascal]

Ah, the ultimate existential football statistical dilemma. Which came first? The crappy offense or the good defense?

During the season some posters on this and other boards were claiming the B10 West was the worst division in P5. And maybe all in college football. The worst division in this hemisphere, and the other hemisphere. On both spheres combined which in turn leads to the worst in our solar system and possibly all solar systems.

As I stated earlier I don't get the self flagellation some Husker fans engage in. The bowl season is proving out this all to be untrue. We beat Iowa, be proud of it. Don't tear it down. It's pretty much all we had this year. They produced a shutout in bowl season. A rarity.
For the record I like B10 football. It's hard nosed tough guy stuff. Teams like Minnesota/Illinois/Iowa aren't going to run up high flying scores. When they beat you, they really 'beat' you.
We used to relish in that.

 

[Redmich]

i believe the days of winning titles with a stifling defense are dwindling if they aren't over already.
A good/great defense will still dominate lesser teams when there is a big talent differential - but a great offense will outperform a great defense in most circumstances

Michigan thought they had a dominant defense and insisted on bringing pressure time and time again only to give up big plays for touchdowns

with the sophisticated offenses and the rules favoring the offense - defensive (when playing evenly matched teams) priorities need to emphasize not giving up big plays

make the other team kick FGs while you score touchdowns
you can get more aggressive in the red zone when there is less field to defend

You better have an offense that scores touchdowns and doesn’t turn it over

 

[SWIowahawks]

i believe the days of winning titles with a stifling defense are dwindling if they aren't over already.
A good/great defense will still dominate lesser teams when there is a big talent differential - but a great offense will outperform a great defense in most circumstances

Michigan thought they had a dominant defense and insisted on bringing pressure time and time again only to give up big plays for touchdowns

with the sophisticated offenses and the rules favoring the offense - defensive (when playing evenly matched teams) priorities need to emphasize not giving up big plays

make the other team kick FGs while you score touchdowns
you can get more aggressive in the red zone when there is less field to defend

You better have an offense that scores touchdowns and doesn’t turn it over

I agree with defenses don’t win championships. But you have to have atleast some. Heck, TCU stopped Michigan on fourth and goal at the one and had two pick sixes. I’d argue they won because of defense.

You’ve gotta have both, IMO. Clemson won with defenses. OU hasn’t faired very well in the CFP. USC lost to Utah, who plays decent defense.

 

[king_kong_]

During the season some posters on this and other boards were claiming the B10 West was the worst division in P5. And maybe all in college football. The worst division in this hemisphere, and the other hemisphere. On both spheres combined which in turn leads to the worst in our solar system and possibly all solar systems.

As I stated earlier I don't get the self flagellation some Husker fans engage in. The bowl season is proving out this all to be untrue. We beat Iowa, be proud of it. Don't tear it down. It's pretty much all we had this year. They produced a shutout in bowl season. A rarity.
For the record I like B10 football. It's hard nosed tough guy stuff. Teams like Minnesota/Illinois/Iowa aren't going to run up high flying scores. When they beat you, they really 'beat' you.
We used to relish in that.

"bowl season is proving this to be untrue"

has the B1G west played a single team with their quarterback, head coach & both coordinators yet?

turnabout is fair play today with LSU more than 2 TD favorite over purdue

Rhule should have us at the top of this division to stay in short order

 

[scarletred]

I agree with defenses don’t win championships. But you have to have atleast some. Heck, TCU stopped Michigan on fourth and goal at the one and had two pick sixes. I’d argue they won because of defense.

You’ve gotta have both, IMO. Clemson won with defenses. OU hasn’t faired very well in the CFP. USC lost to Utah, who plays decent defense.

I would have liked to seen what Ioway, Wisconsin or Minnesota defense would have done against Washington, Oregon, USC or UCLA offenses when all of their offense’s just want to play keep away....

 

[moralvictories]

I agree with defenses don’t win championships. But you have to have atleast some. Heck, TCU stopped Michigan on fourth and goal at the one and had two pick sixes. I’d argue they won because of defense.

You’ve gotta have both, IMO. Clemson won with defenses. OU hasn’t faired very well in the CFP. USC lost to Utah, who plays decent defense.

TCU'S defense was opportunistic. They gave up a lot of points but they also created turnovers and stopped Michigan in the red zone.

 

[mgbreis]

I’ve given all of this careful thought and waited a day to post to make sure I wasn’t being rash. But nope, I don’t give a f—- about any of this debate. Don’t care about the conference debates. I just want Nebraska to win games. Beyond that, you play the teams on your schedule and, after we finally win 10+ games, if any of you want to engage in “yeah buts” you can GFY.

 

[Redmich]

I agree with defenses don’t win championships. But you have to have atleast some. Heck, TCU stopped Michigan on fourth and goal at the one and had two pick sixes. I’d argue they won because of defense.

You’ve gotta have both, IMO. Clemson won with defenses. OU hasn’t faired very well in the CFP. USC lost to Utah, who plays decent defense.

Of course you have to have very good to great defenses but I’m not sure they are going to consistently dominate opponents.

Michigan wasn’t self aware enough to realize you can’t play the same type of attacking defense against TCU that they did against the iowas - Illinois - and Purdue’s of the world. TCUs 2 pic 6s were examples of taking advantage of terrible QB decisions and they also benefited from a missed call for a TD and then subsequent botched exchange at the one yard line.

Utah was definitely the more physical team vs USC but in their first game they gave up 42 pts and were in the same shootout scenario in the 2nd before Williams got hurt

 

[pascal]

"bowl season is proving this to be untrue"

has the B1G west played a single team with their quarterback, head coach & both coordinators yet?

turnabout is fair play today with LSU more than 2 TD favorite over purdue

Rhule should have us at the top of this division to stay in short order

You are given an assignment and carry it through. I've always been of the opinion that if you lose a player and have no competent backup then its a weakness, not an unfortunate, uncontrollable happening. The merit of a team is not controlled just to 22 players.
This year NU suffered for lack of even one competent backup at qb. That wasnt cast down from the gods, it was the culmination of a poorly ran program who hadn't recruited one viable qb in nearly five years. Either ill fitting or long term project, and otherwise 'sleepers' filled our qb meetings and it contributed to who we were....a four win team. Nebraska lost every game that Thompson either didnt play or was knocked out of, to no one's surprise. Do we get a waiver for this? Nope, just shame and excuses.
The 'goodness' of a team has a lot of facets imo. Not the least of which is unity and loyalty. If that is lacking then maybe your team isnt all that good.

I find the current trend of team abandonment dishonorable. I think Rhule has intended to build a culture of team and team loyalty.

 

[pascal]

"bowl season is proving this to be untrue"

has the B1G west played a single team with their quarterback, head coach & both coordinators yet?

turnabout is fair play today with LSU more than 2 TD favorite over purdue

Rhule should have us at the top of this division to stay in short order

Neither Kentucky or Iowa had their season long starter play. You've got two sides to every coin.

 

[SOHusker11]

I agree with defenses don’t win championships. But you have to have atleast some. Heck, TCU stopped Michigan on fourth and goal at the one and had two pick sixes. I’d argue they won because of defense.

You’ve gotta have both, IMO. Clemson won with defenses. OU hasn’t faired very well in the CFP. USC lost to Utah, who plays decent defense.

You know it. Tell me more.

 

[SWIowahawks]

Of course you have to have very good to great defenses but I’m not sure they are going to consistently dominate opponents.

Michigan wasn’t self aware enough to realize you can’t play the same type of attacking defense against TCU that they did against the iowas - Illinois - and Purdue’s of the world. TCUs 2 pic 6s were examples of taking advantage of terrible QB decisions and they also benefited from a missed call for a TD and then subsequent botched exchange at the one yard line.

Utah was definitely the more physical team vs USC but in their first game they gave up 42 pts and were in the same shootout scenario in the 2nd before Williams got hurt

Agree on all counts. Different matchups are going to bring different standards for “good to great” defense. Meaning a good to great defense can give up 7 points to one team and 31 to another. Offense plays a huge factor in this, as everyone knows. If your offense is scoring a lot and quick, the defense is going to give up points.

Other than the top 2 or 3 programs, it’s hard to find examples of prolific offenses that don’t give up a lot of points defensively and vice versa.

Georgia won by giving up 11 and 18 in the CFP last year. Clemson couldn’t stop Burrow and LSU when they lost but held ND to 3 and Alabama to 16 when they won in 2018.

 

[SOHusker11]

I’ve given all of this careful thought and waited a day to post to make sure I wasn’t being rash. But nope, I don’t give a f—- about any of this debate. Don’t care about the conference debates. I just want Nebraska to win games. Beyond that, you play the teams on your schedule and, after we finally win 10+ games, if any of you want to engage in “yeah buts” you can GFY.

yeah butt

 

[king_kong_]

Neither Kentucky or Iowa had their season long starter play. You've got two sides to every coin.

Kentucky's is the probable #1 overall pick in the NFL draft

iowa's couldn't start for half the high school teams in America

 

[Redmich]

Pending the Rose Bowl results - the top 5 teams in the BIG - (Mich-OSU-PSU-Purdue-Illinois) are a combined 0-4

 

[king_kong_]

Pending the Rose Bowl results - the top 5 teams in the BIG - (Mich-OSU-PSU-Purdue-Illinois) are a combined 0-4

just like always

 

[SOHusker11]

Y

During the season some posters on this and other boards were claiming the B10 West was the worst division in P5. And maybe all in college football. The worst division in this hemisphere, and the other hemisphere. On both spheres combined which in turn leads to the worst in our solar system and possibly all solar systems.

As I stated earlier I don't get the self flagellation some Husker fans engage in. The bowl season is proving out this all to be untrue. We beat Iowa, be proud of it. Don't tear it down. It's pretty much all we had this year. They produced a shutout in bowl season. A rarity.
For the record I like B10 football. It's hard nosed tough guy stuff. Teams like Minnesota/Illinois/Iowa aren't going to run up high flying scores. When they beat you, they really 'beat' you.
We used to relish in that.

Ya mean 56-7? For th e record.

 

[pascal]

Kentucky's is the probable #1 overall pick in the NFL draft

iowa's couldn't start for half the high school teams in America

There's not much woulda-coulda when you get shut out.

 

[SWIowahawks]

I bet USC wishes they played a little defense. 😎

 

[mgbreis]

That was a fun game!

 

[SOHusker11]

I agree with defenses don’t win championships. But you have to have atleast some. Heck, TCU stopped Michigan on fourth and goal at the one and had two pick sixes. I’d argue they won because of defense.

You’ve gotta have both, IMO. Clemson won with defenses. OU hasn’t faired very well in the CFP. USC lost to Utah, who plays decent defense.

You know it.

So smart you are.

 

[scarletred]

I bet USC wishes they played a little defense. 😎

So if Ioway was there Herky’s would have won🤫

 

[SOHusker11]

Agree on all counts. Different matchups are going to bring different standards for “good to great” defense. Meaning a good to great defense can give up 7 points to one team and 31 to another. Offense plays a huge factor in this, as everyone knows. If your offense is scoring a lot and quick, the defense is going to give up points.

Other than the top 2 or 3 programs, it’s hard to find examples of prolific offenses that don’t give up a lot of points defensively and vice versa.

Georgia won by giving up 11 and 18 in the CFP last year. Clemson couldn’t stop Burrow and LSU when they lost but held ND to 3 and Alabama to 16 when they won in 2018.

Fascinating.

 

[SWIowahawks]

Maybe the dumbest post I’ve ever read in my 20+ years on this board

Is Ohio State and Michigan good? Well yeah, they played in the playoff, lost there game by a possession and had to to battle the zebras too.

FYI- ball bounces differently one time in both those games and we are talking an all B1G championship game. But some people (especially the ones that never played sports) don’t understand that. So hopefully that sinks in to the ones saying the B1G didn’t belong. Would you have said whoever lost “didn’t belong”? Dumbest post ever

This. Michigan was a let down, no question about that. Ohio State led the entire game and was a make able FG away from beating the defending champs that are 13.5 point favorites over TCU.

 

[SOHusker11]

This. Michigan was a let down, no question about that. Ohio State led the entire game and was a make able FG away from beating the defending champs that are 13.5 point favorites over TCU.

No shit?

 

[moralvictories]

This. Michigan was a let down, no question about that. Ohio State led the entire game and was a make able FG away from beating the defending champs that are 13.5 point favorites over TCU.

Ohio State and Michigan were close.

 

[king_kong_]

Ohio State and Michigan were close.

@WHCSC this is your fault