Off Season Losers

[HikingHusker]

As of right now we appear to be losing the off-season. Perhaps this is a great sign!

Personally, it feels like we are a lot closer to winning than losing. It appears we have big upgrades on our offensive staff. We have a great opportunity to add some critical transfers to the roster. We signed all of our verbal commits, in spite of our DC leaving and taking our DL coach, and we pulled in Cortez Mills on signing day.

We knew a lot of attrition was going to happen based on downsizing the roster. In this day and age in college football, most teams will be losing good players and starters to the transfer portal. It's a bit of chaos, but it does appear we have the NIL backing to bring in new talent to offset that (TDB only a couple years in to this). The biggest key is evaluating that talent correctly.

Let's see how the new defensive staff shapes up and who they bring in.

 

[Truewooper]

That would be something, if the offense clicks and we average 30 points a game. Yet still lose by 3 all the time.

Chasing 3.

 

[SkulzNBonz]

John Butler is gonna be the DC as one true insider not on this board stated that Butler is gonna be the DC and could be named officially as early as this week. This dude was also right about Holgerson and was spot on to the timeline when of it was made official.

Butler has chops as he's been DC before in the college ranks and was part of an NFL coaching staff that boasted the top defense in the NFL all 5 years he was there and knew every aspect of that defense plus his secondary all 5 years was the top one and allowed the fewest passing yards all 5 years he was there. His secondary was made up of the creme del a creme db's

 

[Zeke2005]

John Butler is gonna be the DC as one true insider not on this board stated that Butler is gonna be the DC and could be named officially as early as next week. This dude was also right about Holgerson and was spot on to the timeline when of it was made official.

Butler has chops as he's been DC before in the college ranks and was part of an NFL coaching staff that boasted the top defense in the NFL all 5 years he was there and knew every aspect of that defense plus his secondary all 5 years was the top one and allowed the fewest passing yards all 5 years he was there. His secondary was made up of the creme del a creme db's

How do you think his players will perform here?

 

[Champs 70-71-94-95-97]

I agree, I think Ty and Nash being gone are going to really expose the run D.

Offense probably needs to average 30 a game next year.

Tony saw this, together with our recruiting/portal efforts, and flew the coop before his stock could drop any further...

 

[inWV]

Problem with all of that is HCMR HAS to get this DC hire right. He likely won't get another chance to hire one.

Would you bet on Butler's chops as a DC if your job depended on it? THATS the question cause I believe his does.

For me the answer would be no...but I'm not a HC either.



Holla

My answer is that I’m not in the building, not part of the staff. So I defer to those that are. Butler has enough experience to coordinate a D, but we don’t know his talent in calling a D during a game. We will see what he does against BC.

 

[SkulzNBonz]

Tony saw this, together with our recruiting/portal efforts, and flew the coop before his stock could drop any further...

White's stock never dropped. I made mention a couple of months ago, not on here when nobody was mentioning anything about Ty and Nash as they were talking about everything else. I stated that I don't think anyone thinks or understands how huge of a loss losing those 2 will be as we have NO ONE anywhere near their size or caliber in that DL room. Ty got fk'd in All B1G honors as he not only played every defensive sanp this year except early in the seaon when the starters were pulled which the 2 that finished ahead of him came close to doing. You can't sit there and just look at sacks and TFLs as it's the overall picture as out of the 3 of them, he was by far the most disruptive and frequently having to handle double and triple teams the majority of the year and mostly destroying those double and triple teams as by him doing that allowed the rest of that line and LBs to thrive and destroy which is something those other 2 couldn't even come close to matching. Big Ty is exactly what the NFL is looking for as the he possesses the size, strength and power and well above average hand strength and tecnique as well as quick feet and speed for his size, he's not slow one bit. Even though his position in this defense says DE he's still a DT and the best one since Suh and Crick. Even though he got screwed by being placed 3rd team All B1G, he'll be drafted higher than the 2 that finished ahead of him and imho he will go in the 2nd rd. Ty is that good.

 

[BleedRed78]

At least we'll finally not be off-season champions. Next up - the death of the sell out streak!

 

[kakdawg]

My answer is that I’m not in the building, not part of the staff. So I defer to those that are. Butler has enough experience to coordinate a D, but we don’t know his talent in calling a D during a game. We will see what he does against BC.

All of what you say is legit. Which kinda is why I feel how I do. In 20 years we have 1 year of coordinator experience. He absolutely might have enough experience but he's only done it once. I think I seen that one year his f tense was rated 60.

Like you said we DONT know his talent in calling a D during a game. We will see what he does against BC...

To which I think my initial concerns STILL exist. Would I as a HC wanna bet my job on it? Regardless of what happens during the one game against BC. If we are basing what we do off of one game I think we are doing it wrong anyways.

Imo HCMR already has a very good idea which way he wants to move forward and I honestly don't think the game against BC will play a huge part in it...jmo


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[Vanhusker]

All of what you say is legit. Which kinda is why I feel how I do. In 20 years we have 1 year of coordinator experience. He absolutely might have enough experience but he's only done it once. I think I seen that one year his f tense was rated 60.

Like you said we DONT know his talent in calling a D during a game. We will see what he does against BC...

To which I think my initial concerns STILL exist. Would I as a HC wanna bet my job on it? Regardless of what happens during the one game against BC. If we are basing what we do off of one game I think we are doing it wrong anyways.

Imo HCMR already has a very good idea which way he wants to move forward and I honestly don't think the game against BC will play a huge part in it...jmo


Holla

Agree. Personally I plan to get way too excited for next year if we win and way too pessimistic if we lose!

 

[dinglefritz]

All of what you say is legit. Which kinda is why I feel how I do. In 20 years we have 1 year of coordinator experience. He absolutely might have enough experience but he's only done it once. I think I seen that one year his f tense was rated 60.

Like you said we DONT know his talent in calling a D during a game. We will see what he does against BC...

To which I think my initial concerns STILL exist. Would I as a HC wanna bet my job on it? Regardless of what happens during the one game against BC. If we are basing what we do off of one game I think we are doing it wrong anyways.

Imo HCMR already has a very good idea which way he wants to move forward and I honestly don't think the game against BC will play a huge part in it...jmo


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Penn State only had about 2 dozen scholarship defensive players with the sanctions that year and lost multiple starters to transfers.

 

[redwine65]

I'm sure we have d noonan, c peters and suh lined up in the portal...there's been plenty time to work on it

 

[kakdawg]

Penn State only had about 2 dozen scholarship defensive players with the sanctions that year and lost multiple starters to transfers.

Which makes it even more of an unknown right?

Listen, I have no clue what it will look like. Personally I would've rather went out and got a more known commodity. Not necessarily a splash hire either. Just someone who has experience calling a defense that has performed on a high level for multiple years. Hell hire the next Tony White (maybe he did but it's unknown). That's kinda the point.

The fact that Snow was hired kinda eases my concerns alot. He knows as much about the defense that Rhule wants to play as anyone else. So that helps to me.



Holla

 

[dinglefritz]

Which makes it even more of an unknown right?

Listen, I have no clue what it will look like. Personally I would've rather went out and got a more known commodity. Not necessarily a splash hire either. Just someone who has experience calling a defense that has performed on a high level for multiple years. Hell hire the next Tony White (maybe he did but it's unknown). That's kinda the point.

The fact that Snow was hired kinda eases my concerns alot. He knows as much about the defense that Rhule wants to play as anyone else. So that helps to me.



Holla

I really think between the portal being open and guys still coaching in the playoff that Rhule is between a rock and a hard place. I think he had to do this and I doubt guys coaching a team in the playoff were willing to leave for a 6-6 team.

 

[kakdawg]

I really think between the portal being open and guys still coaching in the playoff that Rhule is between a rock and a hard place. I think he had to do this and I doubt guys coaching a team in the playoff were willing to leave for a 6-6 team.

I hear ya. But as I said I'm not even saying it had to be a "name hire". I don't think Tony White was a "name hire". For all I know Butler could work out perfectly. Or he could stink up the joint. His track record just isn't there as a DC. That's all I'm saying.

I think Ruhle understands that too and that's why the Phil Snow hire makes so much sense and makes me feel better. Imo it's an insurance policy so to speak.


Holla

 

[dinglefritz]

I hear ya. But as I said I'm not even saying it had to be a "name hire". I don't think Tony White was a "name hire". For all I know Butler could work out perfectly. Or he could stink up the joint. His track record just isn't there as a DC. That's all I'm saying.

I think Ruhle understands that too and that's why the Phil Snow hire makes so much sense and makes me feel better. Imo it's an insurance policy so to speak.


Holla

My deal with him promoting Butler is that defense is Rhule's wheelhouse. He's worked with Butler now for 5 months and probably has a pretty good idea of what he's capable of. I think it will be okay. Honestly he's a helluva lot more qualified than any of Bo's hires as DC. Can't be worse than Cosgrove or Diaco. Maybe can't be worse than Chin. I'm way more concerned about them finding a DT, edge and maybe corner in the portal.

 

[inWV]

I hear ya. But as I said I'm not even saying it had to be a "name hire". I don't think Tony White was a "name hire". For all I know Butler could work out perfectly. Or he could stink up the joint. His track record just isn't there as a DC. That's all I'm saying.

I think Ruhle understands that too and that's why the Phil Snow hire makes so much sense and makes me feel better. Imo it's an insurance policy so to speak.


Holla

The Pelinis had the collective experience of one year as defensive coordinator at Mankato State (Carl) before they were DCs at NU. They called some of the best defense in Lincoln since Charlie McBride left.

 

[kakdawg]

My deal with him promoting Butler is that defense is Rhule's wheelhouse. He's worked with Butler now for 5 months and probably has a pretty good idea of what he's capable of. I think it will be okay. Honestly he's a helluva lot more qualified than any of Bo's hires as DC. Can't be worse than Cosgrove or Diaco. Maybe can't be worse than Chin. I'm way more concerned about them finding a DT, edge and maybe corner in the portal.

I understand the thought process. Why I don't see the Bo deal as being apples to apples is that we all knew Bo was the "defacto DC". Ruhle won't be the coordinator and just give those guys a "title". So for me this is a bit different even though Ruhle is a "defense guy".

But I keep mentioning Snow being there as assistant HC as being the big deal. He knows what Ruhle wants and I trust him more than I do Butler. So I feel like that's could help a ton.


Holla

 

[kakdawg]

The Pelinis had the collective experience of one year as defensive coordinator at Mankato State (Carl) before they were DCs at NU. They called some of the best defense in Lincoln since Charlie McBride left.

Won't get me to disagree with that. Is that the norm or would that be considered the exception?


Holla

 

[inWV]

Won't get me to disagree with that. Is that the norm or would that be considered the exception?


Holla

The rub on Butler is that if he really wanted to be a defensive coordinator, it would’ve happened by now. He had the DC gig at Penn State, but left to join OBrien in the NFL. If he had stayed in the college game, he probably would’ve been a DC for several years now.

 

[dinglefritz]

I'm sure we have d noonan, c peters and suh lined up in the portal...there's been plenty time to work on it

Actually we have a Noonan but I don't think he's doing roids like those older guys were....