ADVERTISEMENT

OC job feels like Bob Diaco part two?

Part of the point In this is that I believe our options to hire someone will be similar to where a Diaco type hire is what we are ultimately looking at. If that makes sense..

Yeah, I hear ya. Options could certainly be limited. The one difference is I think the administration is more supportive of Frost and they could find ways to strengthen the pool of candidates - 3 years guaranteed, salary bump, etc..

With that said, there is a clear path to this going terribly wrong and being way too close to the Diaco hire.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Boiler_B
One win projected and you’re loling me? Now that’s rich.
How many did you say we would win this year lol. Name 2 games you know we will win on our schedule right now by adding in the freshmen we have committed and subtracting the seniors and expected departures. If you can pick 2 you are lying to yourself
 
How many did you say we would win this year lol. Name 2 games you know we will win on our schedule right now by adding in the freshmen we have committed and subtracting the seniors and expected departures. If you can pick 2 you are lying to yourself
You really this dumb or just new? Can't pick two or I'm lying to myself? Keep posting, your takes are interesting but stupid.
 
You really this dumb or just new? Can't pick two or I'm lying to myself? Keep posting, your takes are interesting but stupid.
You are exactly what is wrong with Nebraska. You idiot we ate 3-9 with a veteran team. You are an idiot if you think there are 2 guarenteed wins based on the current team construction.
 
You are exactly what is wrong with Nebraska. You idiot we ate 3-9 with a veteran team. You are an idiot if you think there are 2 guarenteed wins based on the current team construction.
You have yet to post anything in your brief time here that isn’t a stupid kids attitude and bitching. No one cares about your stupid takes junior. Your spelling and grammar puts you somewhere near the eighth grade! Or your getting drunk.
 
You have yet to post anything in your brief time here that isn’t a stupid kids attitude and bitching. No one cares about your stupid takes junior. Your spelling and grammar puts you somewhere near the eighth grade! Or your getting drunk.
Lol you are a joke. Do you live with your mom? Is that who is downstairs gaming?
 
It is not going to be a 1-year gig IMO. No matter the outcome of next year, this is at least a 2-year experiment. Even if next year is not "successful" they will bring everyone back in the name of continuity.
This is what I believe as well. Purgatory sucks!
 
Is anyone else getting that feeling or is it just me?

First, I have noticed some confusion on the board here with regards to this job and people are getting things tangled up.

They are confusing: How good of a job is the Nebraska OC job, as a job..which this question in itself is an easy one. The NU OC coordinator job is a pretty good job in College football.."If" it was under normal circumstances. I say normal circumstances like a coach gets hired and he tabs you to be his OC at Nebraska. Thats a pretty good job. Or the OC at NU for a coaches first two years leaves to take an HC job, and you are offered the job. And the coach has had two pretty good years leading up to hiring you. These would be normal circumstances and it would be a pretty attractive job to most folks in the coaching community to both up and comers and established A plus coordinators.

BUT
That is not what THIS particular situation is, and it is VASTLY different than normal circumstances which makes this job, dare I say it?..Not as attractive as it seems a lot of people "think" that it may be.
The job as it stands is basically a one year suicide/Hail Mary operation where you are likely not gonna get more than one year to prove your worth, or showcase your talents as a play caller. If you are someone under a multi year contract, or a former HC still getting paid and your working at a cush analyst job somewhere, you are not even thinking twice about this gig, you are gonna wait for something better to come down the pipe.

So where does that leave us?
Here is list of 2021 top 25 offensive coordinators and little blurbs about them and their last few years:
"Surely we can get someone off of this list right"? Says NU fan.
Not exactly.
As you go down the list you find that 5 of the 25 are head coaches, so we can already cross them off of the OC to NU list.

11 of them are in their 1 or 2nd seasons as OC's...and their next steps are likely looking to...be an HC somewhere, and not to take a lateral one year hail mary chance even at an NU. They gonna stay at their current jobs or are looking for an HC gig, not a lateral OC hail mary job.

So who does that leave?
A Joe Moorhead at Oregon...yeah he not leaving there.
Ludwig at Utah, he is from Utah and coached at Utah before and is already one of the highest paid OC's in the Pac 10..hes not leaving the stability of Utah for a one year NU gig.
Manning Iowa State? Dude is joined at the hip with Campbell and will be going with him when Cambell finally leaves Aames for a bigger gig, so he aint coming.
Kevin Wilson at tOSU? Yeah dont even need to bother writing this response out.
I have heard Ruggiero from Wakes name thrown out thats a non starter as well. Guy was the OC with Clawson at BG for four years prior to Wake and has been at Wake 7 years, he is also joined at the HC's hip, and is either staying there or leaving if Clawson gets a bigger job. So he aint coming.
I have heard Tom Herman? He is still owed millions from TX over the next few years, and he has a cushy NFL Analyst job..he is going to likely wait for a better opportunity to come down the pip for himself, so I doubt he is stepping foot in Lincoln..

So where are we at on the top 25 list?
You got Rich Rod, who is at a lower level job who may, take a NU one year hail mary gig..
The Navy OC..(bleh)
So not looking too promising at least to me.

So as an NU fan you say "well what about up and comer OC's then"? Hey good thought except for a little thing called reality.
An up and comer OC is gonna likely stick with his current gig for many reasons instead of jumping to a one year house on fire gig at NU. Maybe his HC is on the rise and he can move with them to a better job, or he thinks he is gonna get a HC job pretty quickly where an NU move is not worth the risk.

But another factor and one that Frost fans are not gonna like to hear is that...there is really no payoff working under Scott Frost for a year.
When I say payoff, I mean does an OC do a Scott Frost a a favor of sorts by taking the job and risking a lot...for what? How would Frost ever be able to return the favor? The cold hard reality of this situation is that it is very likely that Scott Frost if he is fired from NU after next season, will never again get a high level coaching job, or even a P5 job in college football again period. So if an up and comer coach comes in and helps Scott out...Scott is not likely to be in a position to give him an OC job someday if he fails as a coach somewhere and goes back to wanting to be a coordinator cuz he wants to continue to be a coach.
Frost even with 5 years under the Saban coaching rehabilitation clinic is going to be hard pressed just to even get a lower level MAC or Subelt level HC gig after this.
So to an up and coming OC it is a LOT of risk, with very little to no reward at least as far as the odds are concerned.

So below is that top 25 O coordinator list for you guys to take a peek at, but I have to say, this OC search feels a lot like its gonna be a Bob Diaco part 2 from where I am sitting becuz of how this specific situation is. And also, dont forget Frost has already said that he doesnt want to go away from his current offense..so that is going to eliminate a few more candidates off of the list of qualified or want candidates as well...

Gotta say, maybe there is a diamond in the rough out there, or a surprise hire..but kidna feels to me it would be in the same Bob Diaco mold where it was a few years ago that the dude had a good O or something and maybe hasnt been doing so hot lately.

But I could be wrong.


25. Ivin Jasper (Navy)​

it takes a lot scrolling through the NCAA passing rankings to find the Middies, but there’s a reason Jasper is the 2nd-longest-tenured coordinator in college football (entering his 14th season). Navy’s run game is consistently elite and enables it to periodically hit big plays in the passing game.

24. Andrew Sowder (Kent State)​

The Golden Flashes’ presence atop the NCAA yardage and scoring list last season was based on a small sample size with just 4 games. But when Sowder arrived in 2018, Kent State increased its scoring by more than 11 points per game and its yardage by more than 100 per game, and Sowder’s offense has kept rolling.

23. Joe Moorhead (Oregon)​

Moorhead, a long-time successful OC at a handful of programs, guided the Ducks to averages of 412.9 yards and 31.3 points in his first season in 2020.

22. Darrell Dickey (Texas A&M)​

In Dickey’s 7th stop as an OC with an FBS program, the Aggies averaged 439.2 yards behind the development of QB Kellen Mond last season. Dickey is in his 3rd season with A&M after 5 seasons leading Memphis’ high-octane offense.

21. Scott Satterfield (Louisville)​

He followed up his impressive run as OC, then head coach at Appalachian State with 2 highly productive offensive seasons with the Cardinals, who averaged 445.9 yards (including 206.9 rushing) last season.

20. Rich Rodriguez (Louisiana-Monroe)​

Rodriguez sat out last season after a sub-par season as Ole Miss’ OC in 2019. But the success of his offense as a head coach at West Virginia, Michigan and Arizona as well as his contributions as OC during Tulane’s undefeated season in 1998 form an impressive résumé.

19. Kenny Dillingham (Florida State)​

Dillingham’s first season with the Seminoles, which coincided with head coach Mike Norvell’s first season, featured 4 starting QBs. Still, FSU gained more than 400 yards in 5 of their last 7 games under Dillingham, who was Memphis’ OC in 2018 and Auburn’s in 2019.

18. Eli Drinkwitz (Missouri)​

Drinkwitz brought his offensive success at Appalachian State to Columbia and it helped make him the most successful of the SEC’s first-year head coaches last season (5-5). The Tigers averaged 402 yards per game against an SEC-only schedule.

17. Mike Bobo (Auburn)​

He begins his first season on The Plains after 1 season as OC at South Carolina. Bobo followed a lengthy and successful stint as Georgia’s OC with a 5-year run as Colorado State head coach, which included 3 of the most prolific offenses in school history.

16. Mike Leach (Mississippi State)​

Leach’s first season as the Bulldogs head coach in 2020 – and some of his teams at Washington State – didn’t produce numbers like his Air Raid offense produced during his remarkable tenure at Texas Tech. But he remains one of the better offensive coaches in the country.

15. Kendal Briles (Arkansas)​

Briles, who had previous stints as OC at Baylor, Florida Atlantic, Houston and Florida State, increased the Razorbacks’ total offense average by 50 yards per game in his first season last season.

14. Graham Harrell (USC)​

After 3 banner seasons as North Texas’ offensive coordinator, Harrell has elevated the Trojans’ offense during the past 2 seasons. Last season, USC led the Pac-12 in passing yards (319 per game).

13. Rhett Lashlee (Miami)​

In Lashlee’s first season last year, the Hurricanes made a significant leap in several offensive categories, including passing yards, total yards and points. That continued a rate of success that Lashlee had as the OC with 5 other programs.

12. Andy Ludwig (Utah)​

Ludwig enters Year 3 of his second stint as the Utes’ OC in the midst of a long successful run as a coordinator that included stops at Fresno State, Oregon, Cal, San Diego State, Wisconsin and Vanderbilt.

11. Zak Hill (Arizona State)​

Hill’s third season in Tempe produced one of the more productive offenses in the country, continuing a trend he had in 4 seasons as Boise State’s OC.

10. Jeff Lebby (Ole Miss)​

In Lebby’s first season working with Lane Kiffin last year, the Rebels set an SEC record for total offense in conference games (564). That came a year after Lebby guided UCF’s offense, which averaged 540 yards and 43 points.

9. Tom Manning (Iowa State)​

Manning’s second stint with the Cyclones produced a school record for total offense (444.3) in 2019 and ISU’s second-highest scoring average (32.9) in 2020.

8. Jeff Brohm (Purdue)​

The Boilermakers have averaged more than 400 yards and 27 points per game in Brohm’s 5 seasons, an opportunity he got in the wake of his successful run as Western Kentucky head coach and OC at Western Kentucky, Louisville and UAB.

7. Jeff Grimes (Baylor)​

Grimes begins his tenure with the Bears after a successful run at BYU. The Cougars finished in the top 15 nationally in 10 categories last season, including tying for 1st in yards per play (7.84).

6. Warren Ruggiero (Wake Forest)​

His record-setting 8 seasons with the Demon Deacons have followed 4 seasons as Bowling Green’s OC. Wake Forest had the 3 highest-scoring seasons in school history from 2017-19.

5. Phil Longo (North Carolina)​

Longo’s second season with the Tar Heels last season produced school records for total offense (537.2) and scoring (41.7). Before joining UNC, Longo had significant long-term success as a coordinator with Sam Houston State and then in a short stint at Ole Miss.

4. Dan Mullen (Florida)​

The Gators led the country in passing offense last season (378.6) in Mullen’s 3rd season as head coach. His success was consistent with his 4-year run as Florida’s OC and 9 seasons as Mississippi State’s head coach between his 2 tenures in Gainesville.

3. Kevin Wilson (Ohio State)​

The Buckeyes were 7th in total offense and 10th in scoring offense last season, which is about where they usually have wound up since Wilson and head coach Ryan Day came on board as co-ccordinators. The offense continues to thrive with Wilson taking more command since Day was promoted.

2. Tony Elliott (Clemson)​

Among the many notable accomplishments of Elliott’s offense is the fact that the 2018 and 2019 Tigers were the first group to score 650 points in consecutive seasons since the NCAA began official record-keeping in 1937.

1. Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma)​

Bill Bedenbaugh and Cale Gundy are co-offensive coordinators, but Riley continues to call the plays for the most prolific offense in the country since his arrival as an assistant in 2015.
TLDR; This is nothing like the Bob Diaco situation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: stan raymond
It's comical to say there aren't good coaches out there that would love this job. Good coaches are confident in themselves and the change they can make. Hell, if they simply bring in a great O-Line Coach they could take this current team and win. Most will see that opportunity.
This offense is 2-3 recruiting and development years away from being above average in the Big 10. Doubtful Frost gets that much time while finishing in the lower half of the Big 10 West.
 
This offense is 2-3 recruiting and development years away from being above average in the Big 10. Doubtful Frost gets that much time while finishing in the lower half of the Big 10 West.
We currently have the #2 Offense in the Big Ten with terrible O-Line play. Imagine if that improves.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Danimal4NU
I don't think it's like the Diaco situation. Frost is clearly making this hire unlike the Diaco fiasco where the AD and the director of personnel did.

It could work and be a desirable position. An opportunity to turn around an offense that has a lot of decent pieces. If a coach can come in and get it done, their name will sky rocket. It is a big opportunity that will be paid well.

The big if, that we don't know will happen is: Does the incoming OC have to run Frost's offense or run his own? If the OC gets to run his own stuff, I think the job will have many suiters and has a chance for success. If the OC has to run Frost's offense, I see the number of OCs willing to do that much smaller and a smaller chance of success.

There are a lot of offenses similar to Frost's so a new OC with full autonomy should be able to utilize the players on the roster. There doesn't have to be a complete scheme change, but if a new OC doesn't get to run his own offense I don't have much hope for success.
 
Who hired Fraud Diaco was it
A. Shawn Eichorst
B. Billy Devaney
C. Mike Riley
What say you
 
Hopefully whoever it is has their “energy bucket” filled more than Bob
 
We currently have the #2 Offense in the Big Ten with terrible O-Line play. Imagine if that improves.
Is it really that bad when AM takes over 3 seconds to pass? Or is it like a DB trying to cover, they can't do it if the QB has all day to throw?

AM holds the ball forever and doesn't seem to have the normal "mental clock" that a good QB possesses
 
Is it really that bad when AM takes over 3 seconds to pass? Or is it like a DB trying to cover, they can't do it if the QB has all day to throw?

AM holds the ball forever and doesn't seem to have the normal "mental clock" that a good QB possesses
It's both. AM does hold the bold too long and takes forever to make a decision. And the O-Line could be much better.
 
Now there’s a really new comeback, never heard that one, and the lol are tip offs of your age and brain development
I suspect FireFrost21 is a troll account from an Iowa or K-State fan. It's only a couple of months old and just tries to rile people up. May be best to just ignore.
 
No dummer than saying 1.
Not true. We are going to go 3-9! Name 2 games you are positive we will win next year based on the current construction of this team. Calling Georgia southern a guarentee is ignorant and exactly how Nebraska ended up in this situation
 
We currently have the #2 Offense in the Big Ten with terrible O-Line play. Imagine if that improves.

We could use some tweaking schemewise to improve our redzone production but we do move the ball a lot for a team with a bad line and a "slow-blinker" at qb. Also, bad ST's have affected our scoring too. The O-line gets everyone back and we do have talent there, can be way better next season with the right hire, which by-itself would be huge. QB-play can be a little better with what we have on-hand, maybe significantly better if we get lucky on the transfer portal. Can't see Frost hiring an OC that runs a much different scheme, shouldn't be a tough transition. Ya I gotta disagree with the sentiment that our O is so far away, provided we get the right guys running it anway, which remains to be seen.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT