Does anyone know what was being discussed today? Sounds like they are getting closer to some form of classification changes.
Anyone know more?
Anyone know more?
NSAA meeting today
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In keeping with the dumbing down of America, they probably decided not to keep score in games anymore, and give trophies to each school
The NSAA is soooooooooooooo poorly run and they basically do nothing. With that said...I have tried two or three times to get a job there but I don't have many connections in that building. They pay OUT OF THIS WORLD.
What are the salaries there? I know roughly what the executive director makes, but everything else is pretty hush hush.
They pretty much have already decided what they are going to do with football classes moving forward. I think the meeting yesterday was to start looking at all the other sports.
Its too bad the state doesnt have a big enough population to do this but separating public vs private would be a great move
Emergency meeting to discuss a requirement for clear plastic helmets and uniforms with a single blanket over the shoulder, clear plastic footballs/volleyballs/soccer balls/golf bags etc, and empty gatorade containers.
There's been talk of having private schools use an enrollment multiplier, especially those smaller Class C and D private schools that reside in larger cities. Don't know if it'll ever happen though.
Director job has been in the 200k range, right?
You are right...everything is hush hush...just rumors that I have heard is that you bank...
Can't agree. All schools operate under the same set of rules. Particularly under the present open enrollment rules, private schools have no advantages. And why just do this for football? What about a wrestling program that wins five straight state titles?
Oh it would be for all sports..Texas does it but obviously its a much bigger state.
There is TAPPs down here, but private schools can participate in UIL, all sports but football and basketball. Most don't but they have an option
Dallas Jesuit and Strake Jesuit are 2 schools that play football and basketball, along with other sports, in the UIL (public schools). But they have to play in the largest classification regardless of enrollment.
I think there are about 270 private schools in TAPPs divided up into 6 classifications 4 play 11 man and 2 play 6 man.
In 2014-2015 the national average was 13% of all students received some special ed services. Keep in mind, in some states, gifted is classified as special education. Further, just because a student received special education services does not mean they cannot play sports.
So your 20% number is very high.
A disabled child counts as an able bodied child. On small towns I would venture my 20%number is closer than you think.
How about parochial schools get federal funds to help those students then? Then they can teach them....oh wait its not about the kids, forgot.
And how do you know parochial schools dont have sped kids? Heard it from bill the sore loser down the street? I bet he told ya parochial schools recruit and public schools dont, too.
And how do you know parochial schools dont have sped kids? Heard it from bill the sore loser down the street? I bet he told ya parochial schools recruit and public schools dont, too.
It's really not that hard to figure out. For instance, Prep better not have sped kids because they have zero sped teachers.
Oops...
So prep is the only parochial school in the state?
Nice class A example, too, brainiac. cant move em up a class.
OK. lots of weird uniformed things said so to get some truth involved I will submit the following.
I have no idea what this is suppose to mean - "A disabled child counts as an able bodied child. On small towns I would venture my 20%number is closer than you think." A disabled student is not always in special education and I have no idea what an "able bodied child" is unless you are counting them in the FTE which they do count depending if they attend all day. Why would small towns have more special education students than larger ones? Help me with the data here and the common sense. Students have to meet guidelines to qualify.
Private schools do not have to admit/enroll students with special needs. A private school can simply deny admittance and say they do not have the resources to meet the needs of the student. That being said, if such needs are not apparent at an early age at a private school, and they become apparent later on, there are still services available. By federal law, the local special education provider is required to supply services no matter where the student is - public school, private school, home school, or incarcerated. It doesn't matter, it is part of "Child Find". The provider of special education whether a school or local cooperative receives public money from both the state and federal government, obviously the private or home school do not. Where I am located the special education cooperative serves 12 school districts and provides services to many buildings and families. Sometimes they go to the home of the student, called appropriately a "home bound" student but the special provider does not have to transport the student, that is the responsibility of the parents or private school.
Special education can include an array of services ranging from gifted (high IQ, high functioning student), speech students, behavior, autism and much more. None of this prevents a students from participating in any school activities as long as they meet the state and local guidelines for eligibility.
So how did special education students get drug into all of this conversation?
I have no idea what this is suppose to mean - "A disabled child counts as an able bodied child. On small towns I would venture my 20%number is closer than you think." A disabled student is not always in special education and I have no idea what an "able bodied child" is unless you are counting them in the FTE which they do count depending if they attend all day. Why would small towns have more special education students than larger ones? Help me with the data here and the common sense. Students have to meet guidelines to qualify.
Private schools do not have to admit/enroll students with special needs. A private school can simply deny admittance and say they do not have the resources to meet the needs of the student. That being said, if such needs are not apparent at an early age at a private school, and they become apparent later on, there are still services available. By federal law, the local special education provider is required to supply services no matter where the student is - public school, private school, home school, or incarcerated. It doesn't matter, it is part of "Child Find". The provider of special education whether a school or local cooperative receives public money from both the state and federal government, obviously the private or home school do not. Where I am located the special education cooperative serves 12 school districts and provides services to many buildings and families. Sometimes they go to the home of the student, called appropriately a "home bound" student but the special provider does not have to transport the student, that is the responsibility of the parents or private school.
Special education can include an array of services ranging from gifted (high IQ, high functioning student), speech students, behavior, autism and much more. None of this prevents a students from participating in any school activities as long as they meet the state and local guidelines for eligibility.
So how did special education students get drug into all of this conversation?
A recap of the meeting
http://www.omaha.com/neprepzone/pos...cle_658defc6-9b68-55db-b177-bb04f58726ba.html
http://www.omaha.com/neprepzone/pos...cle_658defc6-9b68-55db-b177-bb04f58726ba.html
Sounds good. The second school I just looked up was Norfolk Catholic...also zero sped teachers.
TruHusker my apologies I was typing from my phone. My point about smaller towns is that I believe the % of kids in SPED is higher than larger districts. My wife works in a very small district, yet has as many kids today as she did in a 2 very much larger districts.
I'll leave it at this for private schools, if a family is willing to pay the money for a private school, they are most likely engaged at a higher level, which carries over into participation. So, you get a higher % of the kids out for sports. You also do not have the "unable" group that public has, so you have more athletes to choose from.
I'll leave it at this for private schools, if a family is willing to pay the money for a private school, they are most likely engaged at a higher level, which carries over into participation. So, you get a higher % of the kids out for sports. You also do not have the "unable" group that public has, so you have more athletes to choose from.
Here's a fact on which I'm sure we can all agree:
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Parochial schools have sped kids. I teach at one and have them in class. And we do recruit...we go out to every school in the every and pitch our school to the middle school students, we have to do it. We need to get 500 kids taking visits to our school each year to show them what we can offer and we have to get half of them interested in applying.
Prep has sped kids. But I can tell you this much, it is made very clear to the parents that there are expectations but they will also do all they can to help. They don't have "sped" teachers they have what is often called a student service coordinator. They are in charge of all the sped kids. That and all private schools also have the use of the public school services for students that need special services.
Skutt has sped students. When I used to teach middle school I sent more than a few there. I have sent autistic students to all Prep, Skutt, Mount Mikes and Roncalli. I have sent severely disabled students to just about every private school in Omaha.
I don't even know why this is an issue. Sped kids play sports all the time.
I have accommodation plans for 10% (or so) of my freshmen class. In fact, I have a meeting about them and the accommodations next week.
Do we recruit? Hell yeah we do, we have to. Do we seek out just the best athletes? No...have I seen it done? Yes, many times. Usually it is done by coaches showing up at the middle school games and talking to the parents. Or having a pizza night or lock in or 3 on 3 tourney.
Do we have sped kids? Yep...we sure do.
Prep has sped kids. But I can tell you this much, it is made very clear to the parents that there are expectations but they will also do all they can to help. They don't have "sped" teachers they have what is often called a student service coordinator. They are in charge of all the sped kids. That and all private schools also have the use of the public school services for students that need special services.
Skutt has sped students. When I used to teach middle school I sent more than a few there. I have sent autistic students to all Prep, Skutt, Mount Mikes and Roncalli. I have sent severely disabled students to just about every private school in Omaha.
I don't even know why this is an issue. Sped kids play sports all the time.
I have accommodation plans for 10% (or so) of my freshmen class. In fact, I have a meeting about them and the accommodations next week.
Do we recruit? Hell yeah we do, we have to. Do we seek out just the best athletes? No...have I seen it done? Yes, many times. Usually it is done by coaches showing up at the middle school games and talking to the parents. Or having a pizza night or lock in or 3 on 3 tourney.
Do we have sped kids? Yep...we sure do.
Why do some of you keep thinking that kids in SPED classes don't play sports? That is just not the case. Lots of them play
I think you are right. I think some people have a hard time understanding that not all SPED kids are in wheel chairs and can't speak.
Most sped kids just have learning issues (sometimes behavior) issues. Most of the time people wouldn't really even have a clue they were in sped classes.
Taking a look at the 2016-2017 NSAA football classifications which I believe are based on some sort of 3-grade boy only enrollments, I’m not sure a 20% reduction is going to do what you want. Reducing the enrollment numbers of only the public schools by 20% and re-ranking them, results in only 2 schools changing classifications. I left out the D classes because I wasn’t sure how it was determined which schools play 11 man vs 8 and 6 man. Lincoln Lutheran would be bumped from C2 to C1 and Omaha Concordia would be bumped from C1 to B. Basically, within each classification there is about a 100% or greater spread, so a 20% perceived enrollment advantage gets lost within each classification.
Enrollment of the lowest ranked school – Enrollment of the highest ranked school
Class A: 900 – 1922
Class B: 283 – 886
Class C1: 136 – 251
Class C2: 74 – 135
I'm not sure why you would be concerned with a perceived 20% enrollment advantage when the largest school in class B has an over 300% enrollment advantage over the smallest school in the class.
But more importantly, if you are proposing a 20% drop in enrollment counts based on sped numbers, are you prepared to rule sped students ineligible to participate in NSAA activities?
I can't believe that Mount Mikes doesn't win every state title in every sport! I mean...they are all boys, private school AND they have like no sped kids! They should never lose a game or drop a set or lose a race.
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