No charges/No arrest
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Yes...they wouldnt release any names involved. But, announced no charges would take place as there was not enough eveidence to warrant it.
Evidence actually, but in all seriousness, is the girl then going to be charged for a wrongful accusation? If there truly is nothing going and I hope there isn't, is she no liable for false reporting?
Do we have any lawyers in the house?
No, just wasn't enough evidence to charge, maybe she lied, maybe it's the truth, just no case.
touche', I'm seriously wondering if she could be liable for false accusations though. That's a pretty big accusation to throw around.
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Let's remember. The University has not officially said anything. Hawkeye fans can still be hopeful, because 5 guys will be suspended Friday. Book it.
The police officer indicated that her story remained consistent and that she was believable. Only the girl and the guy know exactly what happened, and even their translation of the event may be entirely different.
This doesn't mean she threw out a false accusation. And since the police did not indicate a full exoneration, it does not mean that the person did not actually conduct the rape in question. There simply wasn't enough evidence available to present charges.
http://journalstar.com/news/local/9...cle_4d9642bd-3f93-504c-b837-3972be2f2e1b.html
"I believe the victim," Peschong said, but “we do not believe we have the elements of a crime.”
A lack of evidence for the DA to press charges is not the same thing as "it didn't happen." I don't know what is so difficult for some of you to figure out about how there are more than two options in most situations in life.
Lack of charges just means they don't think they have enough to warrant moving forward with charges because they don't think they can get a conviction. As was said, they probably had little more than "he said/she said." That could go as far as having plenty of evidence that intercourse happened, every reason to believe it was NOT consensual, but not any evidence to clearly show that force/violence was used.
For example, let's say some girl passes out on a bed. Some guy goes in there and starts having his way with her while she's so wasted she can't even stay conscious. She can't fight back, not gonna leave any bruises, she's not gonna be screaming for help, all you'd be able to tell hours later is that somebody had sex with her. Depending on whether a condom was used, MAYBE you can determine who the guy was. But other than that, there's nothing a prosecutor can use to say, "This, jury, is why it's obvious she was raped."
There is PLENTY of gray area. As I predicted before, we'll never know what really happened on this. So IMO it's really not appropriate to hop on a bandwagon about false accusations. Last I checked there was no epidemic of fake rape charges.
You wanna feel sick? Start asking around to your women friends about times they've been groped, had their ass grabbed, and worse but they didn't do anything about it. Stories you never wanted to hear will come out of the woodwork.
Lack of charges just means they don't think they have enough to warrant moving forward with charges because they don't think they can get a conviction. As was said, they probably had little more than "he said/she said." That could go as far as having plenty of evidence that intercourse happened, every reason to believe it was NOT consensual, but not any evidence to clearly show that force/violence was used.
For example, let's say some girl passes out on a bed. Some guy goes in there and starts having his way with her while she's so wasted she can't even stay conscious. She can't fight back, not gonna leave any bruises, she's not gonna be screaming for help, all you'd be able to tell hours later is that somebody had sex with her. Depending on whether a condom was used, MAYBE you can determine who the guy was. But other than that, there's nothing a prosecutor can use to say, "This, jury, is why it's obvious she was raped."
There is PLENTY of gray area. As I predicted before, we'll never know what really happened on this. So IMO it's really not appropriate to hop on a bandwagon about false accusations. Last I checked there was no epidemic of fake rape charges.
You wanna feel sick? Start asking around to your women friends about times they've been groped, had their ass grabbed, and worse but they didn't do anything about it. Stories you never wanted to hear will come out of the woodwork.
Thanks for presenting the other side, which is completely logical and possible. The reality is, none of us knows what really happened, whether it was a false accusation or something that actually happened. At this point, speculation is meaningless. I'm not sure what changes going forward.
He said, saying nothing. You have more information to contribute to the dialogue or was that your version of, "Hey, just sayin'....ya never know. Ya know?"
The police chief said, I believe the victim. How can that be if there are no charges? Just askin
Yes but our players names where associated to sell papers. This is such bull
The alleged incident happened at Westerkamps and Armstrongs house of residence. That is why their names were associated.
My life got a lot better when I stopped hanging out late at night at places where lots of booze and other things were being consumed. Something everyone at the party will learn sooner or later, hopefully.
I think props are in order for the Lincoln police. They seemed to do everything right and got it done as quick as these things can be done. They came off to me as being caring and professional.
I think props are in order for the Lincoln police. They seemed to do everything right and got it done as quick as these things can be done. They came off to me as being caring and professional.
University AD released statement saying no changes in any player's status at this time. Book it.
Generally they won't proceed with charges if they don't feel they have a good shot at a conviction. So basically what it sounds like you have here is they're saying, "We don't think she's lying when she says she was raped, we just can't prove it to a jury."
You need something more than a story or two, you need forensic evidence and/or witnesses to establish that not only did this happen, it happened against her will.
I can tell you I saw a deer with two dicks, and it might be true. But telling you and PROVING it to you are not the same thing.
There was a movie in the early afternoon 90's about the AIDS crisis called "And the Band Played On." In one scene the CDC doctors had a discussion trying to figure the disease out. A great quote from that movie:
"What do we think? What do we know? What can we prove?"
I've used that line numerous times in my career with younger, less experienced co-workers.
The Chief can think this female is believable. But apparently the investigation doesn't lead to "knowing" and most importantly being able to "prove."
Time to move and play the game. None of us know what happen. Glad they are playing Friday and hope for an exciting game and no injuries. Have a great Thanksgiving Huskers!!
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Lancaster County Attorney Joe Kelly said at a Wednesday morning press conference that filing charges "would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime had occurred. That simply is not there" in this case.
If the State feels it cannot gain a conviction, and that requires the State to prove each and every element of the charged offense beyond a reasonable doubt, then the State cannot file a charge.
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The really interesting side of this at this point (to me anyway) is that no one has said, "Hey, by the way - it wasn't me". You'd think if you were one of the guys whose name keeps getting brought up, and you weren't involved, you'd want it to be crystal clear that you weren't the "alleged involved party". The stigma of this kind of stuff lasts forever and I wouldn't want my name attached to it. Probably too late anyway.
Yes I do, and this board has proven over time - including you - to not handle actual information very well.
You stopped hanging out at home? Who said there was booze involved?
You missed his sarcasm.
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The whole team may be suspended. Millard North is gonna play Iowa instead. Book it.
The players have access to lawyers through the University and the Ath Dept and I will promise you the lawyers told them to STFU and speak only to the police in cooperation with their investigation.
This is true but there is logic behind the law - Unless there is sufficient evidence beyond " we believe her story" then there no way to say a crime occurred. In the court of public opinion there is always a rush to judgement, it is assumed there was a rape and someone is guilty. In reality no one really knows what happened
Well that's just cryptic enough to be unassailable, isn't it?
Doesn't particularly matter for my purposes. With stakes this high, I wouldn't believe anything I didn't see with my own eyes AND hear with my own ears. Too much incentive for stories to be altered, too much subjectivity to when something starts/stops being consensual, etc.
It's so bad of a situation that I hear Charlie Sheen and Sam Keller were there......more to come on TMZ, stay tuned.
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