This is just getting ridiculous. This is probably minor compared to some.
Remember when SMU got the Death Penalty for doing this stuff and the entire SEC was getting put on probation?
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This is just getting ridiculous. This is probably minor compared to some.
Remember when SMU got the Death Penalty for doing this stuff and the entire SEC was getting put on probation?
Lose interest everyday in college football beyond Nebraska.
Yep, literally destroying what was imo the best sport.
These deals should be absolutely public if these kids go to any public or private school that accepts ANY state or federal tax money.
everyone deserves to know what kind of shit is going on if any tax money goes to these schools.
JMO
Also, the NIL collective should list what they are giving to each athlete. All this crap is keeping me from making any more 1890 contributions. If I knew it was being put to good use I would be likely to donate more. Until then I guess I am going to stop giving because this is out of hand.
everyone deserves to know what kind of shit is going on if any tax money goes to these schools.
JMO
Also, the NIL collective should list what they are giving to each athlete. All this crap is keeping me from making any more 1890 contributions. If I knew it was being put to good use I would be likely to donate more. Until then I guess I am going to stop giving because this is out of hand.
What about back-loaded NIL deals? Cornel Wall Street billionaires set up the following program years ago to get elite wrestlers to come to this Ivy League school. They built the wrestling program into a consistent top-10 finisher.
Since Cornel cannot offer athletic scholarships, the athlete signs a X year post-graduation work contract with a firm at a set salary, say $150,000/year.
Can it work in NCAA football? 1. It would encourage players to stick with one school. 2. If they make the NFL, the contract would still be in place if he gets hurt or retires. 3. A coach sitting on Mama's couch explaining to her that her son needs a back up plan might be the ticket.
I don't know the formula, but this free agency NIL thing, I agree, is hurting interest in the sport. And don't even get me going on Bowl games.
Since Cornel cannot offer athletic scholarships, the athlete signs a X year post-graduation work contract with a firm at a set salary, say $150,000/year.
Can it work in NCAA football? 1. It would encourage players to stick with one school. 2. If they make the NFL, the contract would still be in place if he gets hurt or retires. 3. A coach sitting on Mama's couch explaining to her that her son needs a back up plan might be the ticket.
I don't know the formula, but this free agency NIL thing, I agree, is hurting interest in the sport. And don't even get me going on Bowl games.
Good luck coaching kids when they make more money and live in nicer houses than their position coaches.
I'm with you. This shit is starting to get ridiculous. I was ok with the Name Image and Likeness. It's full on now just pay for play and they need to figure it out.
Sure would make for an awkward locker room. Unless this kid gets his own.
Not ridiculous for an alleged payday. He caught 8 passes in 5 games this year. He will surely double that number of catches next year and will then look for a pay bump to an alleged million or so for 2026. Inflation is everywhere.
Of course this is alleged peanuts compared to Dylan’s alleged 12.5 mil offer.
collective bargaining is coming
standard language is coming
agreed-upon terms & conditions are coming
College Football in 2025 - the rare time a team of lawyers being turned loose will be a great thing
standard language is coming
agreed-upon terms & conditions are coming
College Football in 2025 - the rare time a team of lawyers being turned loose will be a great thing
Something needs to be done. Clearly the NCAA took a "Fvck around and find out stance" with this whole thing. Anyone with a brain could see this mess coming from a mile away.
Thank goodness for the new playoff format or fans would be turning away from this nonsense year over year.
for the millionth time, the NCAA did not take a "f around and find out" stance.
the NCAA have been fighting this in congress and in the courts for years. spending millions upon millions lobbying against it. for many, many years.
they lost because the old way of doing things was (correctly) ruled to be in violation of US antitrust and antilabor laws.
Same. It’s not even a recognizable sport anymore; it’s just a race to see which of the wealthiest NIL schools can assemble the best mercenaries.
Former coach Tim Beck said it best, “We don’t build programs anymore, we just assemble a team each year.” Getting to the point I have no shits left to give.
BTW…I think that tweet is fake.
BTW…I think that tweet is fake.
With revenue sharing, it's going to be getting even more ridiculous. End of bench guys will be making well into the 6 figures, not to mention actual star players.
As some have already stated….assuming this compensation/deal is accurate….
And people wonder/complain when a certain segment of the fanbase will not donate a penny to a NIL collective.
Does anyone know if these athletes are even required to take classes and get passing grades? I really see no need to.
Can't blame anyone for getting it if they can. The NCAA knew this was coming and did absolutely nothing to change to prevent it or alter their rules to comply with the laws until the courts forced them to comply. If college football gets ruined, blame the NCAA and those who empowered those morons into doing nothing for a decade when anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention knew what was coming.
The NCAA does what its member institutions direct it to do.
Rather than a massive coaching cl
Exactly. Just end the charade of post-NIL football players being students.
What does any of this really have to do with "college" anyway. Disgusting !
Real close to being done with my life long interest. How long till Ruele says enough !
Do you think my take is dumb, people blame the morons at the NCAA for all of this and say they did nothing to prevent it. Yet the NCAA is ruled and governed by its member institutions. So therefore it is the schools themselves that are to blame.
Agree. The greed of the schools is a major factor. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Conference expansion, playoff expansion, NIL, the transfer portal. It's all driven by greed and contributes to the lining of the universities pockets. And now it's passing on to the players. Where as a player can I make the most money, while the schools just want the benefits of those players attending their school to bring in more money. Plus it doesn't cost the school anything as boosters and NIL initiatives pay for them.
Just a big racket and destroying college football.
No, that take is accurate. I don't think the schools can "solve" the problem either unless they have the collective cooperation of the players.
It’s too late for the schools, and it’s why I think there will be a split. Ones that find out in the next couple of years they don’t want to be a part of the outrageous spending will choose to pull the reigns back. Eventually they will group themselves accordingly.
Or they lost because they finally stopped fighting and said..."Fvck around and find out."
However you want to look at it. The NCAA stepped aside.
Heres a brief synopsis
Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rights in college sports came into existence as a result of growing legal, social, and economic pressures to allow student-athletes to earn compensation for their personal brand while maintaining their amateur status. Here's an overview of how NIL evolved:
1. Amateurism and NCAA Restrictions
Historically, the NCAA enforced strict amateurism rules prohibiting student-athletes from profiting from their athletic performance. This included earning money from endorsements, sponsorships, or using their name, image, and likeness.However, critics argued that these restrictions were unfair since schools, conferences, and the NCAA generated billions of dollars in revenue through broadcasting, merchandising, and ticket sales tied to these athletes.
2. Key Legal and Social Developments
a. O'Bannon v. NCAA (2009–2014)
- Case: Former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon sued the NCAA, challenging its use of players' NIL in video games and broadcasts without compensation.
- Outcome: In 2014, a federal court ruled that the NCAA violated antitrust laws by preventing players from earning compensation for their NIL. This ruling laid the groundwork for NIL discussions.
b. Alston v. NCAA (2021)
- Case: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously that NCAA restrictions on education-related benefits violated antitrust laws.
- Significance: While not directly about NIL, the decision underscored that NCAA policies were subject to legal scrutiny and antitrust laws.
c. State-Level Legislation
- California led the charge with the Fair Pay to Play Act (2019), which made it illegal for the NCAA to prohibit athletes from earning NIL compensation.
- Following California, other states passed similar laws, creating pressure on the NCAA to address NIL on a national level.
3. NCAA's Response
- On July 1, 2021, the NCAA adopted an interim NIL policy, allowing student-athletes to profit from their name, image, and likeness while maintaining eligibility.
- The policy opened the door for student-athletes across all divisions to sign endorsement deals, start businesses, and monetize their social media presence.
4. Federal and Public Pressure
- Without a national NIL framework, states implemented differing laws, creating disparities in how athletes could earn compensation.
- The NCAA urged Congress to pass federal legislation for uniformity, but as of 2024, no comprehensive federal NIL law exists.
5. Impact and Current Landscape
- NIL has revolutionized college sports by empowering athletes to profit from their personal brand.
- It has also introduced challenges, such as concerns about recruiting inducements, the influence of collectives, and disparities between athletes in revenue vs. non-revenue sports.
NIL represents a significant shift in collegiate athletics, redefining the balance between amateurism and athletes' rights to capitalize on their market value.
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Thanks for the cut and paste. You continue to be wrong - this mess isn't because the NCAA stood aside and let it happen. It was happening no matter how hard the NCAA fought or didn't fight against it. There hasn't been a single legal decision where the NCAA has been successful in restricting income or freedom of movement of individual athletes. Institutions with brains and legal advisors must make decisions based in reality. You don't continue to litigate points that you know are indefensible.
Why do people get so upset over what other people earn, have or get?
I see this on TikTok when teachers post stuff and the comments are like "Oh yeah, well, look how many days you get off, you should stop complaining"
Okay, fine, but you can also be a teacher and have all those days off. Everyone is always so worried about everyone else.
You should try and make/take every penny you can while people are willing to pay you.
Don't be mad at the players...
I see this on TikTok when teachers post stuff and the comments are like "Oh yeah, well, look how many days you get off, you should stop complaining"
Okay, fine, but you can also be a teacher and have all those days off. Everyone is always so worried about everyone else.
You should try and make/take every penny you can while people are willing to pay you.
Don't be mad at the players...
That's definitely part of what's going on, people are jealous. It's human nature. BUT, the biggest fan response is that people just want college football to be the way it used to be. That's understandable, but it's never happening.
I'm not jealous of what's going on. I don't blame the kids a bit. I blame the adults in the room. Money ruins everything if you let it do so. Right now, what is happening in college sports, whether it be NIL or the portal is unsustainable.
This idea that people should try to get as much as they can regardless of the impact on others is sad and wrong. Things change and change is good in a lot of cases. But when everyone with any bit of intelligence could see where that change was going to lead, it's becomes gross negligence to do so. That's where the phrase "Fvck around and find out," comes in handy. There has been a lot of that in this country as of late.
Why did the NCAA and many coaches fight this for so long? Do you believe that is was absolute greed on their part? Or could it possibly be that they knew the impact this would have on amature sports?
I find the "conspiracy think" that has infiltrated all aspects of American society, to be exhausting and honestly embarrassing. The NCAA has an obligation to govern and protect collegiate athletics. It is not perfect, no large entity filled with bureaucracy is. But the idea that it has purposefully "screwed kids out of what they deserve" is shallow ignorance.
There is room for compromise and a happy medium with regards to NIL and the Portal. What we have now is nothing more than greed run amok. Again it isn't sustainable and I blame all entities involved for the mess that we are in.
Why do you think my YoutubeTv subscription is going up $10? It's because it's going directly to entitled athletes who already make more than enough playing a game.
Trite conclusions like "there is room for compromise and a happy medium" really don't mean anything. What is the specific solution? Before you respond, just know that there is no way for the NCAA and/or institutions to unilaterally impose rules limiting athlete pay or movement.
