New Staff Additions - Football

[Clemke32]

And if we hired Cignetti and he brought a bunch of James Madison players you wouldn't have like it at the time.

You’re not completely wrong here, however you’re comparing apples to oranges. Those kids were playing not coaching they knew the system. I would not have been happy and I would say yes I would have been hesitant but that doesn’t set us back as much as a wrong coach hire does…

Granted we don’t know if this is a wrong hire or not, but track record of this coach is not great, track record of those James Madison kids was.

 

[BroskiRed]

^^^This^^^
These are not big boy program hires. These are Rhule’s buddies or people his buddies like. Maybe they all turn out to be great hires. We better hope so. But right now it just looks like more of the same mediocrity

Frost was a big boy program hire at the time… we don’t really know anything until we see the product on the field. Like it or not, Head Coaches are tied to their assistants and their network. At least Rhule knows how to put together a defense, he’s a defensive minded coach. I’m willing to let this play out and support the team and Rhule.
I’m also disappointed in how this season finished. I think the Satterfield hire and the offense and special teams have squandered two years of solid defensive football. I see Rhule evolving, or at least making changes where past coaches have not evolved or had their hand forced. A lot of these posts sound more like sour grapes than real takes

 

[WHCSC]

Disappointed but not surprised. When Butler was hired fresh off of being passed over in Buffalo, there was chatter here that he was the DC-in-Waiting. Not surprised when White moved on that this was the move. This does not mean Butler will ultimately turn out to be a bad DC or cannot coach up the defense. But this certainly does not engender excitement and enthusiasm.

Am I surprised to see Snow and Butler both elevated? No. Remember before this season we were told that Satterfield and Glenn Thomas were co-OCs (but not really Co-OCs) only to have Holgerson added so that there were actually 3 people who wore an OC-related title in the last year. Lots of cooks, very little room in the kitchen. But from Raiola to Butler to Thomas to Bradden, these are not young, innovative up and comers in the college ranks with recruiting chops. Once again, does not mean that Butler will not mold the D into the Buffalo D and that Bradden will not find DL to turn into Chris Jones next year. But there is a lack of buzz to these hires.

Who cares about making buzz hires?

 

[Clemke32]

Who cares about making buzz hires?

Recruits

 

[GBRforLife1]

Recruits

They should love the former NFL coaches on the staff then.

 

[Clemke32]

This just in ……….Nebraska is making its first bowl appearance in 8 seasons. It’s been a beat since they were considered a big boy program.

The DC that everyone is fawning over at FSU was the DC at Syracuse and his defenses were ok but nothing about that hire screamed Big boy program hire.

Sorry, I know I addressed this earlier but this kind of point just drives me nuts, and trust me I understand we haven’t been considered a big boy program for a while now, trust me I hear it wherever I travel to, but my serious question for all those who agree with this statement I pose a simple question worth your honest answer.

Just because we have not been considered a big boy program for a while does that mean we shouldn’t be making big boy hires?

They should love the former NFL coaches on the staff then.

I’d agree with this, but these coaches were not well known NFL defensive coordinators, Butlers time in Penn state was a failure and you better believe that will be pointed out to recruits.

I’ll admit I hope that I’m wrong on this hire, but I don’t think he was better than what left or even on par with White… I think there was other options that were better that could have elevated our D, maybe some said no, but that’s when you up the paycheck to where they can’t say no… coaching is a business where money talks the loudest. We have the money to pay people, put that money up for someone with a proved track record.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Sorry, I know I addressed this earlier but this kind of point just drives me nuts, and trust me I understand we haven’t been considered a big boy program for a while now, trust me I hear it wherever I travel to, but my serious question for all those who agree with this statement I pose a simple question worth your honest answer.

Just because we have not been considered a big boy program for a while does that mean we shouldn’t be making big boy hires?





I’d agree with this, but these coaches were not well known NFL defensive coordinators, Butlers time in Penn state was a failure and you better believe that will be pointed out to recruits.

I’ll admit I hope that I’m wrong on this hire, but I don’t think he was better than what left or even on par with White… I think there was other options that were better that could have elevated our D, maybe some said no, but that’s when you up the paycheck to where they can’t say no… coaching is a business where money talks the loudest. We have the money to pay people, put that money up for someone with a proved track record.

As far as my post in concerned, I think Rhule knows that you typically don't get 2 chances to fire coordinators. He isn't going to trust his career to a young up and comer, who may or may not work out, or another veteran coach that is going to change the defense, much like Whipple did the offense under Frost. He has known Holgersen for years and clearly knows Snow, so Butler is going to have a trusted Rhule confidant to bounce things off. Again, this has to work, and trusting it to a coach you have no relationship with is a bigger risk to Rhule.

 

[dinglefritz]

In case Rhule needs to demote or fire Butler when he flames out.

Or heads back to the NFL next spring ….

 

[dinglefritz]

As far as my post in concerned, I think Rhule knows that you typically don't get 2 chances to fire coordinators. He isn't going to trust his career to a young up and comer, who may or may not work out, or another veteran coach that is going to change the defense, much like Whipple did the offense under Frost. He has known Holgersen for years and clearly knows Snow, so Butler is going to have a trusted Rhule confidant to bounce things off. Again, this has to work, and trusting it to a coach you have no relationship with is a bigger risk to Rhule.

As usual. Excellent take

 

[B1G RED RULES]

We just stormed the field for 6-6.

There is no pressure to win now at Nebraska.

^^^TRUTH^^^

 

[RedTheGreat]

As far as my post in concerned, I think Rhule knows that you typically don't get 2 chances to fire coordinators. He isn't going to trust his career to a young up and comer, who may or may not work out, or another veteran coach that is going to change the defense, much like Whipple did the offense under Frost. He has known Holgersen for years and clearly knows Snow, so Butler is going to have a trusted Rhule confidant to bounce things off. Again, this has to work, and trusting it to a coach you have no relationship with is a bigger risk to Rhule.

Good post but Sat and Foley remain on the payroll. If this is Rhules last chance it probably makes sense to upgrade those considering their terrible failures last year.

 

[dinglefritz]

Good post but Sat and Foley remain on the payroll. If this is Rhules last chance it probably makes sense to upgrade those considering their terrible failures last year.

Satt is Dana's decision. Personally I believe Satt will probably find another job in January.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

As usual. Excellent take

If it were me, I would have been asking DH to tell me the half dozen or so DC's who gave his W VA and Houston teams the most trouble, schemed them the best, made the best in-game adjustments, and which among them did so with the least amount of talent.

NU is not talent rich on defense, so there's the key. If they coach a 3-3-5 then all the better.

Great DC's usually are operating with great talent at their disposal, so its not as hard to look great. I'm interested in guys who get a lot more with a lot less.

 

[RedTheGreat]

Satt is Dana's decision. Personally I believe Satt will probably find another job in January.

I sure hope so. Too much baggage there despite the rumors.

 

[dinglefritz]

If it were me, I would have been asking DH to tell me the half dozen or so DC's who gave his W VA and Houston teams the most trouble, schemed them the best, made the best in-game adjustments, and which among them did so with the least amount of talent.

NU is not talent rich on defense, so there's the key. If they coach a 3-3-5 then all the better.

Great DC's usually are operating with great talent at their disposal, so its not as hard to look great. I'm interested in guys who get a lot more with a lot less.

Rhule is a defensive coach. I suspect one of the reasons Tony left is that Rhule was dictating more 4 man fronts. Butler is here. He's worked with Tony's scheme and terminology for a a whole season. The transition should be seamless. It's just a matter of how he does on game days. One thing not lost on me is we now have 3 defensive assistants who have coached in the NFL FWIW.

 

[Clemke32]

As far as my post in concerned, I think Rhule knows that you typically don't get 2 chances to fire coordinators. He isn't going to trust his career to a young up and comer, who may or may not work out, or another veteran coach that is going to change the defense, much like Whipple did the offense under Frost. He has known Holgersen for years and clearly knows Snow, so Butler is going to have a trusted Rhule confidant to bounce things off. Again, this has to work, and trusting it to a coach you have no relationship with is a bigger risk to Rhule.

I think you bring up some excellent points here, and you did a great job articulating those points. ultimately we’re all on the same page, we all want this to work out…

 

[RedTheGreat]

Rhule is a defensive coach. I suspect one of the reasons Tony left is that Rhule was dictating more 4 man fronts. Butler is here. He's worked with Tony's scheme and terminology for a a whole season. The transition should be seamless. It's just a matter of how he does on game days. One thing not lost on me is we now have 3 defensive assistants who have coached in the NFL FWIW.

Rhules on record for keeping the current scheme.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Rhule is a defensive coach. I suspect one of the reasons Tony left is that Rhule was dictating more 4 man fronts. Butler is here. He's worked with Tony's scheme and terminology for a a whole season. The transition should be seamless. It's just a matter of how he does on game days. One thing not lost on me is we now have 3 defensive assistants who have coached in the NFL FWIW.

Year 1, NU had 30 sacks in 261 opponent passes;
Year 2 explains why NU had 27 sacks in 338 opponent passes this year.
Same players.

Kinda like our sack totals this year went from 2-6-1-2-5-4-1-2-2-1-0-1. 20 in the first half of the season, 7 the remainder.

The more they schemed, the less pressure NU was able to put on the QB. Other than the non-offensive teams like Purdue, Rutgers and Iowa, this defense wasn't a mystery.

 

[dinglefritz]

Year 1, NU had 30 sacks in 261 opponent passes;
Year 2 explains why NU had 27 sacks in 338 opponent passes this year.
Same players.

Kinda like our sack totals this year went from 2-6-1-2-5-4-1-2-2-1-0-1. 20 in the first half of the season, 7 the remainder.

The more they schemed, the less pressure NU was able to put on the QB. Other than the non-offensive teams like Purdue, Rutgers and Iowa, this defense wasn't a mystery.

And Rhule wants to play more 4 man fronts in order to get more pressure on the QB. Tony didn't want to do that. Jay Moore says it doesn't really matter what you call it and run. It's about dudes. Butler and Williams were average edge players at best and Williams was terrible against the run. Williams has some upside with his speed and length but man he killed us at times with offsides and loss of contain. Gotta get an edge in the portal or at last get Keona to stay.

 

[ssmill777]

Not a single hire other than Simpson is a good one in my opinion.

Actually think Bradden could be fine. Chiefs hated to lose him. The other two we could have done better!

 

[RedTheGreat]

Year 1, NU had 30 sacks in 261 opponent passes;
Year 2 explains why NU had 27 sacks in 338 opponent passes this year.
Same players.

Kinda like our sack totals this year went from 2-6-1-2-5-4-1-2-2-1-0-1. 20 in the first half of the season, 7 the remainder.

The more they schemed, the less pressure NU was able to put on the QB. Other than the non-offensive teams like Purdue, Rutgers and Iowa, this defense wasn't a mystery.

Su the schemes on Ohio and Colorado were different in your opinion?

 

[oldjar07]

And Rhule wants to play more 4 man fronts in order to get more pressure on the QB. Tony didn't want to do that. Jay Moore says it doesn't really matter what you call it and run. It's about dudes. Butler and Williams were average edge players at best and Williams was terrible against the run. Williams has some upside with his speed and length but man he killed us at times with offsides and loss of contain. Gotta get an edge in the portal or at last get Keona to stay.

Williams was able to do something I haven't seen a DE do here for a long time. Which is get back into a play if he did happen to overshoot or lose contain. He was well above average which is why he's appropriately rated as one of the best edge players in the transfer portal.

 

[dinglefritz]

Williams was able to do something I haven't seen a DE do here for a long time. Which is get back into a play if he did happen to overshoot or lose contain. He was well above average which is why he's appropriately rated as one of the best edge players in the transfer portal.

He's a one skill edge. We would put him in on supposed passing downs and he would get burned taking an outside shoulder. Just about every game he would give up a first down by being offsides. I wish he had stayed but he's far from a finished product and he was a liability in run game defense. We need a dude who you can leave on the field all 3 downs.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Su the schemes on Ohio and Colorado were different in your opinion?

You scheme everyone different based on their personnel as well as yours. Of course the season is more than the 2 games you cherry picked. If we played CU now, they would beat us. Ohio State beats NU 10 out of 10 times.

 

[dinglefritz]

If it were me, I would have been asking DH to tell me the half dozen or so DC's who gave his W VA and Houston teams the most trouble, schemed them the best, made the best in-game adjustments, and which among them did so with the least amount of talent.

NU is not talent rich on defense, so there's the key. If they coach a 3-3-5 then all the better.

Great DC's usually are operating with great talent at their disposal, so its not as hard to look great. I'm interested in guys who get a lot more with a lot less.

I'm sure Dana and Matt talked about it. One of the guys rumored to be a candidate was Toledo's DC. Kind of out of left field. Not sure the response would have been any better for that guy than Butler. No way SMU's DC was leaving SMU right now and he was a hot name. Robinson wasn't making a lateral move from Syracuse. Not sure what people expected. Laughably somebody thought we could hire Al Golden.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I'm sure Dana and Matt talked about it. One of the guys rumored to be a candidate was Toledo's DC. Kind of out of left field. Not sure the response would have been any better for that guy than Butler. No way SMU's DC was leaving SMU right now and he was a hot name. Robinson wasn't making a lateral move from Syracuse. Not sure what people expected. Laughably somebody thought we could hire Al Golden.

Once again speculative conjecture on your part.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

What does an assistant head coach do?

Assistant Regional Manager…kind of like Dwight Schrute

 

[RedTheGreat]

You scheme everyone different based on their personnel as well as yours. Of course the season is more than the 2 games you cherry picked. If we played CU now, they would beat us. Ohio State beats NU 10 out of 10 times.

However you said the more they scheme the less pressure they got essentially...

Those games were heavily schemed and successfully. I think there is more than complication = bad to the defensive performances.

 

[dinglefritz]

Once again speculative conjecture on your part.

based on logic. I used to score off the charts on logic on professional exams. When expectations seem unreasonable they probably are.

 

[RedTheGreat]

based on logic. I used to score off the charts on logic on professional exams. When expectations seem unreasonable they probably are.

When was that?

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

based on logic. I used to score off the charts on logic on professional exams. When expectations seem unreasonable they probably are.

Please calm down with the self-aggrandizement lately.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

However you said the more they scheme the less pressure they got essentially...

Those games were heavily schemed and successfully. I think there is more than complication = bad to the defensive performances.

More often that not NU gets outschemed. It's obvious in the second half of each of the first two years the opponents OC's come up with ways to negate whatever we do on defense.

 

[dinglefritz]

Please calm down with the self-aggrandizement lately.

Well I'm an anonymous poster on a keyboard so...... I gotta get off this thing and do something worthwhile. Too damned caught up in the portal and coaching changes..

 

[RedTheGreat]

Well I'm an anonymous poster on a keyboard so...... I gotta get off this thing and do something worthwhile. Too damned caught up in the portal and coaching changes..

So go take a crap and roll into bed?

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Please calm down with the self-aggrandizement lately.

When things are created using just logic, nothing new ever gets invented because that would be "illogical?"

 

[thall_]

Snow as assistant head coach?? Wtf?

This is the “I know Butler probably won’t work so when I fire him mid season for letting Minnesota put 40 on us I’ll slide Snow in to save face” move

 

[dinglefritz]

When things are created using just logic, nothing new ever gets invented because that would be "illogical?"

Do we need to create something new to suggest why this DC hire went the way it did? Logic isn't about creating things. It's about explaining things or arriving at answers for problems using known information.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Do we need to create something new to suggest why this DC hire went the way it did? Logic isn't about creating things. It's about explaining things or arriving at answers for problems using known information.

Written by primarily effing repeaters of beliefs past down from generation to generation.

Known logical conclusions are ever changing.

The Supreme Court rules secret gender transitions is allowed in schools. Is that logical based on what we know?

Most of what we think we know is a lie.

 

[RedTheGreat]

This is the “I know Butler probably won’t work so when I fire him mid season for letting Minnesota put 40 on us I’ll slide Snow in to save face” move

This is my worry. If you have to hire a babysitter you made the wrong hire.

Hope he succeeds but I'm not excited in the least.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

I don't have the strength to weigh in more than once on the several hiring threads on this board. My bottom line is the Serenity Prayer. Lord, give me the courage to change the things I can, the peace to accept the things I can't change, and the wisdom to know the difference.

People who think like me stopped in a few times with a "wait and see" attitude. What else can we do? Like for instance, I despise our special teams coaching, but if I bitch about it for a month and Foley is not retained when his contract expires, I will have spent a month gnashing my teeth and wasting hours posting for nothing. I expect him and Satt to be gone in January, and do not see what could be gained by firing Foley toward the end of the season.

People who have always hated Rhule, or who have grown to hate Rhule for various reasons are in jubilation due to now having even more reasons to hate him. And we are seeing all the reasons posted over and over and over (not exciting, not up and coming, not experienced, aren't bring portal players, only coordinated once 11 years ago, too old to recruit or can't recruit, can't motivate players, will have conflict amongst themselves, not big boy hires, never had to deal with the portal, etc. etc. etc.) Some of these may turn out to happen or be true, but some may not. It is possible I have lost my passion for NU football since I don't post my same opinion 15 times in one thread like I used to. Anymore I scan the threads quickly because I know where the usual posters stand and don't see a reason to hear 50 times "Rhule can't manage the clock". We all know this is not one of his strengths.

When Rhule was hired I believe a good majority were willing to accept a bad year 1, a winning/bowl year 2, and taking off year 3. Year 1 wasn't as bad as many thought it would be, year 2 was disappointing but we could still have a winning season with a bowl, and year 3 isn't here yet. So we are still on track, yes?

My personal opinion is with the exception of OC, the biggest thing leading to the losses that have piled up is the weird "chi" or "aura" or whatever you want to call it in the locker room. Since Riley it seems we have two teams each year. This year one team played Colorado and Wisconsin. The other team played Indiana, UCLA and Iowa. Meaning sometimes the team is totally dialed in, motivated and confident. Other times they are sloppy, come out flat, and lack confidence to make tackles, snap the ball, catch punts/passes, etc. It is my sincerest hope that the turnover of 4th, 5th and 6th year seniors, two recruiting classes of young guns, some more portal additions, and getting to the 105 will make WAY more difference next year than who the DC or DL coach is.

So....yes, Butler could end up being a bust like Satterfield and cost us many games, but I think he will be at least adequate, we will replenish the defense in the portal, and next year might surprise us. If not, I expect we are stuck with Rhule until after year 4 due to the ridiculous buy-out and I will say "I'm done, I quit being a fan" (but I will be back in year 5 hoping this year will be different).