ncaa transfer rules changing?...
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So Alabama will be able to take any undervalued super star that they somehow missed out on out of high school. The better teams will now be invincible. Say goodbye to Cinderella teams, they will lose their best players to better teams and better facilities.
Tired of coaches making big money?
They will now make more. Not only can they move, now they can take their best players with them. This rule more than doubled their salaries, it guarantees the new team will win.
Can't believe these guys are so short sighted
This Millenial lovers players rights baloney will cripple the college game
The better teams just became invincible
They can pluck the best players off all the teams that aren't as good as them
Vandy has a great 2 star safety somehow bama missed out on. Now he is vetted and developed and can transfer to bama without sitting
This destroys college football
Who are these rules guys?
The $ec has got to love this
This makes it much easier for them to buy titles
A juco star cam newton was worth 200k
What is a proven d1 superstar worth when he can transfer and play right away???????
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I think it's in part CYA over some of the pay the players and coaching pay/moves attention. Personally, I would be fine with it IF there was a rule that a player can transfer and sit as long as BOTH the school and the player agree to it, It would allow guys who aren't happy to move without penalty and allow teams to "process" guys who for whatever reason aren't going to see the field. Then once it's done, you only have to sit if it's within your own conference. To me that would make a lot more sense. Why penalize a guy who wants to transfer from Bama to KU so he can play?
Now as a coach, your babysitting job might have just got tougher. Could be a double edge sword
So now coaches are going to have to spend even more time recruiting, players already on their own freaking roster!!!
Problem with safety nets like this is, somebody is left holding the bag, and the kid who changed his mind skates away for free. Horrible idea.
Problem with safety nets like this is, somebody is left holding the bag, and the kid who changed his mind skates away for free. Horrible idea.
I have never been very receptive to the proposals of people like Ernie Chambers who have believed for many years that these kids should be treated as employees, including being paid as employees. But I will also admit that at the time Ernie was raising hell, coaches weren’t compensated tens of millions of dollars. In the current environment it seems to me the rules need to be tilted somewhat more in favor of the kids. But I can see why these changes are not easy. Nothing short of a losing team stirs up fans more than these sorts of proposals.
While I understand the concerns, I don’t see this proposal as being overly harmful to our program. If kids want to be somewhere else, I’d like to see them gone ASAP. Of course I realize that might occasionally mean a key player like Eric Crouch would transfer during a period of discontent.
While I understand the concerns, I don’t see this proposal as being overly harmful to our program. If kids want to be somewhere else, I’d like to see them gone ASAP. Of course I realize that might occasionally mean a key player like Eric Crouch would transfer during a period of discontent.
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When said kid goes into the real professional world say...as a doctor, or a lawyer, or at any big boy real world good job, do you want somebody with a background of working his butt off and honoring his commitment and doing whatever it takes to succeed cutting on you, or representing you, or your company as an employee, or somebody who tucked tail and ran when things got tough?
In one sense, I can see the player not wanting to move, but being told by the school that they need to move on. Basically how we perceive it being done right now.
Does a player just publicly say he wants to transfer because the school told him to, and does he not want to leave and is being forced out?
Do the rich get richer in this scenario or does it help spread the wealth?
Or does it do both?
A win-win?This would allow the Bamas and OSUs to "process" players even more than they do already. Now they end up with a roster full of only the best players, even more than before.
This would allow talented kids (but less talented than the best players at the Bamas and OSUs) to transfer to Kansas and play. This makes Kansas better right away. Now Kansas can compete against similar schools and can be better than a G5 team. No more winless seasons.
Kansas will never win a championship against the OU and Texas teams that are superior and process players, but they are at least mediocre now.
I want the best, and I want people who strive to be the best. I don’t want someone who plays it safe and sticks around turning down better opportunities.
I really do not think the concern for Kansas football is driving this decision by the NCAA. They are corrupt, this is being driven mostly by the SEC. The booster money being paid for players will kick into overdriveIn one sense, I can see the player not wanting to move, but being told by the school that they need to move on. Basically how we perceive it being done right now.
Does a player just publicly say he wants to transfer because the school told him to, and does he not want to leave and is being forced out?
Do the rich get richer in this scenario or does it help spread the wealth?
Or does it do both?
This would allow the Bamas and OSUs to "process" players even more than they do already. Now they end up with a roster full of only the best players, even more than before.
This would allow talented kids (but less talented than the best players at the Bamas and OSUs) to transfer to Kansas and play. This makes Kansas better right away. Now Kansas can compete against similar schools and can be better than a G5 team. No more winless seasons.
Kansas will never win a championship against the OU and Texas teams that are superior and process players, but they are at least mediocre now.
Now coaches will be going after players on other teams. Not cool
How many transfers out would we have had in the last 3 years? JD Spielman would probably be starting at Alabama next year. I just see nothing good coming from this. Now will we be on the winning side or the losing side of this? I think with Frost it could be the winning side as I think he has the dynamics and personality to help this type of scenario. But in the end the ability of the Alabama's, Ohio States, Clemson's and such will just mean they will make someone they don't want unhappy on purpose and steal the best players away from everyone else.
It’s the NCAA, usually whatever common sense says it’s the worst idea, the NCAA thinks is a good one.
I don't like this one bit... Like people have pointed out there will be no consequence for players being asked to leave to a another school if things are not working at their present school.
No I don't like this at all.
No I don't like this at all.
This can't be a serious post in 2018. It has been at least thirty years since companies committed long term to employees. You might remember the days of those things called pensions? The employment relationship in 2018 is only good for about two weeks at a time.
I just used Kansas as the example school since the person I quoted mentioned a player transferring from Bama to KU.
It could be any school that is not a perennial winner.
I could see this rule helping other schools as well. Maybe a player is not in the 1st or 2nd string at (insert any school), but maybe they succeed once they go to a different program and are in a different scheme.
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Next thing ya know, the SEC will be contacting players at other schools and trying to get them to transfer. The other conferences will claim that the SEC is breaking the rules that are already in place, but the NCAA will let the SEC get away with it. The SEC will say "I didn't speak with the player! I just spoke with his parent/high school football coach!" Always a way around the rules.
This could easily snowball into schools constantly recruiting players from other schools. One would assume that the current transfer rules were put into place many years ago to keep things like this from happening.
I say if the coach leaves, the kids can leave with no penalty, unless they go to the same school the coach left for then the one year applies.
All is null and void if a coach is fired kids can leave penalty free for up to 12 months.
All is null and void if a coach is fired kids can leave penalty free for up to 12 months.
Note that the ESPN all freshmen team had kids from the following schools
Troy
Ball state
Boston college
Illinois
Northwestern
Texas tech
I'm guessing if all these kids used the new transfer rules would transfer to some of the very best teams in the country
How do weak or middling teams ever get to the next level or have special seasons if their best players get stolen every year?
I thought everyone likes parity and fairness?
Troy
Ball state
Boston college
Illinois
Northwestern
Texas tech
I'm guessing if all these kids used the new transfer rules would transfer to some of the very best teams in the country
How do weak or middling teams ever get to the next level or have special seasons if their best players get stolen every year?
I thought everyone likes parity and fairness?
I am 95% certain that you are wrong, the last person that gave me inside information on something said Russia influenced the election. People in the know don't generally spill there guts.
Put a limit on the number of "immediate transfers" each school can have. To make it fair for the middling teams - allow them to have more immediate transfers than the major programs.
So maybe a program like Alabama is only allowed 2-3 immediate transfers a year, while Troy State gets 5-6.
Or, how about you are allowed one immediate transfer for each loss you had the previous season? So if you go undefeated, you aren't allowed any immediate transfers. If you lose 10 games, you are allowed 10 immediate transfers. This would be fair IMO.
If Frost can field good teams then he'll be good at it but that still doesn't make the practice a good one for college football.
I think this method would be best. Saban would bitch about it not being fair though..
I guess you are saying that a kid who is unhappy at his current school should have no right to say " i made a mistake" and correct it. And I have no idea how you think Ala will benefit from this. They have more underutilized athletes who can start somewhere else than anyone. They are the one who will lose more and have more at risk. If you know first hand the SEC and/or Alabama is paying money you should let the B1G know, they will know what to do with it.
Bama over the last 5 years has been the best recruiting machine out there. The only top kids the top teams miss out on are ones that they didnt eval correctly. NOW those vetted kids at KU, Ball State, Vandy or even LSU can now transfer over AND Bama gets to dump the kids that arent starting or contributing- because those non contributors can now go and play somewhere else with NO penalty- freeing up very valuable roster spots for the recruiting juggernaut.
In this Lord of the Flies scenario the top teams all got better and the fair to middling teams are all in danger of losing whatever few good players they did have that somehow the top teams overlooked.
Youve heard of Cam Newton (200k) and Treadwell right? I think they ended up at Auburn and Ole Miss- two notorious cheaters- both ended up on probation. Auburn has a very long and storied past of paying kids. The SEC is dirty and everyone pretty much knows it. Not sure Bama even has to pay kids anymore- theyve been caught doing in in years past, but the rest of the SEC are well known for it.
If a kid makes a mistake- he can play DII or JUCO right away, if he wants to sit for a year- he can play anywhere. Seems pretty fair.
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Without question.
Set up an eBay like bidding system online.
Interested players could simply enable their profile. Schools submit their best bid for whoever can fill their roster holes. Kid selects where he wants to go with that information in hand.
Kids have that opportunity today.
It’s pretty rare to not have a kid transfer in or out every year.
Think about this- Auburn outbid Ole Miss for a JUCO QB - who won at the JUCO level against JUCO competition. Auburn paid 200K for him- because they felt pretty confident that buying him would enable them to win more games
How much more would a DI player who has played 2 years and proven himself at the DI- level be worth?
Im guessing very conservatively 500K at least right?
Yep, no problems letting this "players rights" thing blow up the goose who laid the golden eggs.
How much more would a DI player who has played 2 years and proven himself at the DI- level be worth?
Im guessing very conservatively 500K at least right?
Yep, no problems letting this "players rights" thing blow up the goose who laid the golden eggs.
Some data- on cheating
I guess DI Coaches think 80% of the SEC cheats- 20% of the rest do:
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/anon...ing-sec-80-percent-everywhere-else-20-percent
57% think 10% or fewer teams cheat beyond minor secondary violations- IE providing the extra text books recommended but not required for a class or having a foster parent pick up complementary game tickets instead of blood parent
I guess DI Coaches think 80% of the SEC cheats- 20% of the rest do:
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/anon...ing-sec-80-percent-everywhere-else-20-percent
57% think 10% or fewer teams cheat beyond minor secondary violations- IE providing the extra text books recommended but not required for a class or having a foster parent pick up complementary game tickets instead of blood parent
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End the blocking to certain schools. A kid should be able to transfer to wherever he wants. But the 1 year sit out period must be kept. Get rid of that and things will become a cluster**** in a hurry. This culture of changing things just to change things without fully thinking through all the consequences needs to stop.
I’m a little surprised by the reaction here. So basically people think an 18 year old who picks a school must be punished by forcing him to sit out if he decides to go somewhere else. How is this ruining college sports?
Look at the players Nebraska basketball received from transfers - Palmer, Copeland and Gill. A) they still left even with a sit out year (is that fair to these guys?) B) did it ruin the game?
Just like in the professional world, it’s up to a company/team to nurture and develop their employees/players. Sometimes you lose a star. Sometimes you get a new player.
I think the notion of punishing someone for wanting to leave is cruel, simply because you don’t want to lose a player who scores touchdowns for your team you cheer for.
Look at the players Nebraska basketball received from transfers - Palmer, Copeland and Gill. A) they still left even with a sit out year (is that fair to these guys?) B) did it ruin the game?
Just like in the professional world, it’s up to a company/team to nurture and develop their employees/players. Sometimes you lose a star. Sometimes you get a new player.
I think the notion of punishing someone for wanting to leave is cruel, simply because you don’t want to lose a player who scores touchdowns for your team you cheer for.
