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NCAA Basketball Championship thread

I mention how long his hand was out of bounds because the ball is clearly not in his hands during that brief period. So it would have to be proven that his body or legs were touching it. I have agreed that it likely was touching his body while his hand was out of bounds, but I don't think video evidence would have been conclusive.

Beyond all of this, once again, this play is not reviewable as it wasn't an out-of-bounds call. It was a held ball call which cannot be viewed per NCAA rules.

Can we also talk about the ghost call on Berry when he cleanly picked the ball from the Zags big man but was called for a foul?
Yes, and the State Penn receiver was in bounds in 82. Right?
 
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I thought Berry fouled him when I saw that play live. Then I saw the replay and realized it was a bad call that went in favor of the team I was rooting for.

See, that wasn't so hard - and the world didn't even come to an end!
 
Roy was bitching the whole first half about the Gonzaga bigs being too physical underneath. So at the first possible opportunity, that kind of call was coming. But yeah, to make it look better, the ref might have at least waited until the contact actually took place.
I was impartial to this game, so I am saying this because you're posting as if there were no bad calls that went against UNC

59-57 UNC with the lead. Gonzaga has the ball fires up a 3 ball. Ends up being an air ball that goes out of bounds. Two refs say UNC ball, but one ref overturns the call and says it was tipped. Replay clearly shows it was not touched. Gonzaga hits the 3 after the inbound pass. That is 3 points that were not supposed to be there for Gonzaga.

As an unbiased no rooting interest, I don't see how these refs benefited either team. They messed up a lot of calls both ways, and UNC won the game. As much as we all want the underdog to win, they didn't and it was not the refs fault. Just like it is never the refs fault when Nebraska gets screwed right?
 
I was impartial to this game, so I am saying this because you're posting as if there were no bad calls that went against UNC

59-57 UNC with the lead. Gonzaga has the ball fires up a 3 ball. Ends up being an air ball that goes out of bounds. Two refs say UNC ball, but one ref overturns the call and says it was tipped. Replay clearly shows it was not touched. Gonzaga hits the 3 after the inbound pass. That is 3 points that were not supposed to be there for Gonzaga.

As an unbiased no rooting interest, I don't see how these refs benefited either team. They messed up a lot of calls both ways, and UNC won the game. As much as we all want the underdog to win, they didn't and it was not the refs fault. Just like it is never the refs fault when Nebraska gets screwed right?
There was a buttload of bad calls both ways, and Gonzaga lost because they didn't make any plays down the stretch. But on the play you are citing, the reason the one referee though the ball was tipped was because the Gonzaga shooter was hit on the hand. So while there were bad calls that went against UNC, that's not the greatest example. If they get that call "right" it's three free throws.
 
I finished in 47,000th place out of a couple million. In the top 1% nationally........ pretty good for a wrestler who doesn't watch basketball!

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I made a bet pre-conference tournaments that North Carolina would win it all in Vegas. That was nice.
 
College basketball should really just forget about even having any players on the floor and make it all about the referees and head coaches. That's who everyone tunes in to watch, after all.

Cowherd had a pretty good take on things today. If you get a chance, check it out. The referees job wasn't to make you enjoy the game, it was to enforce the rules as written. These teams fouled the crap out of each other. Combined, they show below 35% from the floor, and under 62% from the FT line. Sure - the officials anticipated a couple of plays and blew their whistles when the shouldn't have. Sure, they also missed a few calls, as they will every single game ever into infinity. For those folks who don't know how to evalaute officials, even your two favorite stats were level: fouls and FT attempts were dead even at 22 and 26 respectively for both teams.
 
Meeks hand was out of bounds but before he got to the ball. He got it back in bounds to secure the ball.

Can you tell from that view that he's touching the ball? It could have touched his leg, but I don't think there's enough evidence to prove that he's touching the ball at this point. I think the call stands (assuming they could have reviewed, which they couldn't because it was a tie-up, not an out-of-bounds call). I'll admit that it was likely touching his leg while his hand was out of bounds, but he did move his hand back in bounds before he grabbed the ball.
Freeze frames are a pretty weak way to show something an official, refereeing in real time, missed. You have to make sure you capture at exactly the correct moment on the screen capture, but it's a fluid play with lots of moving parts. Show the play in motion, and I'll respect your point a little more. Without showing the play at full speed, it looks like those guys are framing up the bottom of a human pyramid, when in actuality, they're scrambling for the ball.
 
Cowherd had a pretty good take on things today. If you get a chance, check it out. The referees job wasn't to make you enjoy the game, it was to enforce the rules as written. These teams fouled the crap out of each other. Combined, they show below 35% from the floor, and under 62% from the FT line. Sure - the officials anticipated a couple of plays and blew their whistles when the shouldn't have. Sure, they also missed a few calls, as they will every single game ever into infinity. For those folks who don't know how to evalaute officials, even your two favorite stats were level: fouls and FT attempts were dead even at 22 and 26 respectively for both teams.

They referees were heavy handed and it affected the game too much. I can't speak for the poor shooting, but they took everyone out of their game.
 
They referees were heavy handed and it affected the game too much. I can't speak for the poor shooting, but they took everyone out of their game.

That's your opinion. If they let them play, there would be someone screaming about how rough and physical the game was and how it didn't resemble basketball but rather wrestling. Because if you don't blow the whistle in that game, that's what you're going to get. What I noticed the most is that neither team was willing to adjust to the way the game was being called; they continued to put themselves at risk for having fouls called on them.
 
I was impartial to this game, so I am saying this because you're posting as if there were no bad calls that went against UNC

59-57 UNC with the lead. Gonzaga has the ball fires up a 3 ball. Ends up being an air ball that goes out of bounds. Two refs say UNC ball, but one ref overturns the call and says it was tipped. Replay clearly shows it was not touched. Gonzaga hits the 3 after the inbound pass. That is 3 points that were not supposed to be there for Gonzaga.

As an unbiased no rooting interest, I don't see how these refs benefited either team. They messed up a lot of calls both ways, and UNC won the game. As much as we all want the underdog to win, they didn't and it was not the refs fault. Just like it is never the refs fault when Nebraska gets screwed right?

You do realize the play you're talking about should have been a foul, so they basically screwed Gonzaga out of three free throws there. Guess you can chalk that up to a make up call for Gonzaga for giving them the ball back.
 
The NBA was trying to figure out how to get more points. They explored rules about a zone, foul shots, and many other options. At the end of the day they decided to call fouls more accurately. As in more of them. The players adjusted and like magic, points and open offenses flourish.

The players in college haven't adjusted yet but I believe they will. I don't blame the refs for calling the fouls. There could have been more calls. The players need to adjust.
 
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There was a buttload of bad calls both ways, and Gonzaga lost because they didn't make any plays down the stretch. But on the play you are citing, the reason the one referee though the ball was tipped was because the Gonzaga shooter was hit on the hand. So while there were bad calls that went against UNC, that's not the greatest example. If they get that call "right" it's three free throws.
Actually it looked like the shooter got hit on his non-shooting hand---just saying.....
 
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