I don't follow the NBA Like I use to. Some of these Free Agent deals are huge for players I have no idea who they are.. back in the day, huge Laker fan. Kareem, magic worthy, copper, loved watching Lakers and Celtics .
NBA salaries
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The NBA has had a huge salary cap spike. So there is more money to go around and there are limited players with in free agency. So lesser players are getting paid big money.
It's unreal the amount average players getting. There is a 4 year 70MM plus deal....for Tim Hardaway Jr.
$5-$6 billion revenue, roughly speaking about 450 players in the league, players get 51% of revenues (hell of a CBA), and the megastars have salary caps. All that equals lesser known players getting huge money. JJ Redick, as old is he is got $23 mil for one year. I have no problem with it, except the cap on players' salaries is unfair. You have guys riding the shoulders of the stars all the way to the bank. Lebron, Curry, Durant, etc. all should be $60+ million guys relatively speaking easily. Next year Lebron will make "only" $12 mil more than Redick. That's just plain dumb.
NBA individual salaries have always been ridiculous vs the rest of the sports world. Solid players in the NBA get $20 million a year contracts. (not stars, not good, but solid players make that)
If I were to ask you, who has the highest annual base salary for this group?
A) Mike Trout
B) Bryce Harper
C) Ryan Anderson
D) Julio Jones
E) Drew Brees
F) Antonio Brown
I am guess not many would guess Ryan Anderson but he has the highest annual base salary out of that list. A lot of people would probably even ask "who is Ryan Anderson" .In no world is Ryan Anderson a household name. Hell, he's not even a household name in Houston.
Sure the NFL's roster size is much larger than the NBA's so the NFL's over all payroll is much greater. However, its not pro-rata to revenues. Also, MLB's payroll is pretty close to the NBA's but the revenues are almost double. I get that the minor leagues don't go into the payroll total, so MLB's total payroll is actually higher but still, NBA players are paid a lot more than other sports athletes.
The one thing MLB players have is all of their $ is guaranteed vs not all NBA $ is. Also, NFL players play less than NBA players and are more likely to be injured. But at the end of it all, NBA revenues are still considerably less than MLB & NFL (I know NBA is gaining ground, but it's still a lot less). NBA just takes better care of its talent I guess
Well we know who Redick's biggest fan is. Dude was making $6.5 when he was 29 and now almost 4 times that at 33. What a value JJ was back then (even adjusted for the new money). Not hating, and hoping you're not serious.
Market determines the salaries plus the premium on quality players. Radio guys the other day were talking about the salaries. Its easy to spend when you only have to pay for 5 starter talent guys on a 15 man NBA roster compared to 22 starters on a 53 man roster for NFL, 25 for active roster MLB and 40 expanded roster MLB. It makes sense after you think of it in those terms. Less guys to supply, bigger deals.
Seems to me that 80% of free agent signings in a year or two become "bad deals" that teams need to get off the books. I always wonder why teams over pay so much. I think it comes down to too many teams in the NBA and not enough star talent. Another factor seems to be the mindset of players and the NBA media. If a young, up & coming player doesn't get a max contract, he's somehow getting disrespected.
The Bulls and the Padres are the 2 lowest payrolls in NBA/MLB. The Bulls active payroll is $69 Million and SDs active payroll is $25 Million, so it's not really due to active roster numbers. The big issue with baseball is "retained salaries". Melvin Upton is the highest paid player for SD and he is not even with SD anymore nor is he even playing in the MLB.
We've all herd of Bobby Bonilla day right? That stuff does not really happen in the NBA. Players on rosters get paid and for the most part, guys who dropped do not
Bottom line, its give and take with NBA salaries. Sure the signings are big but that doesn't necessarily mean a player will get that. MLB players sign for less but will get their $
Golden State will seriously have to pay $222 million in luxury taxes 3 years from now. They'll honestly have to pay $1.2 billion over 5 years in luxury taxes. That's essentially a check that the owner has to fork over once a year.
The CBAs also factor in.
NBA players are virtually guaranteed roughly 50% of gross NBA revenue in salaries. I think the NBA had about $6 billion in revenues so $3 billion goes to salaries. The NFL had about $13 billion in revenue but the players are only guaranteed about 46% or $6 billion.
$3 billion divided by 450 players is about $7 million per NBA player. Then you have to take into account the NBA rookie contract limitations where the #1 pick in the draft only gets about 5% of the team's salary cap (it goes down from there) and the fact that there is a hard cap individual salaries. Where veteran salaries, players with 10+ years are maxed out at 35% of the salary cap. Veterans with less than 10 years have a smaller individual cap. So you can see how middle class players can get huge salaries.
Splitting $6 billion between 1700 NFL players, averages about $3.5 million.
That doesn't even get into how the NBA CBA specifically the hard cap on individuals, gives the players leverage to make their contracts fully guaranteed because money has to be spent on salaries.
NBA players are virtually guaranteed roughly 50% of gross NBA revenue in salaries. I think the NBA had about $6 billion in revenues so $3 billion goes to salaries. The NFL had about $13 billion in revenue but the players are only guaranteed about 46% or $6 billion.
$3 billion divided by 450 players is about $7 million per NBA player. Then you have to take into account the NBA rookie contract limitations where the #1 pick in the draft only gets about 5% of the team's salary cap (it goes down from there) and the fact that there is a hard cap individual salaries. Where veteran salaries, players with 10+ years are maxed out at 35% of the salary cap. Veterans with less than 10 years have a smaller individual cap. So you can see how middle class players can get huge salaries.
Splitting $6 billion between 1700 NFL players, averages about $3.5 million.
That doesn't even get into how the NBA CBA specifically the hard cap on individuals, gives the players leverage to make their contracts fully guaranteed because money has to be spent on salaries.
NBA players have a great CBA and the product is great. If you old farts thought hand checking was great and defense in the 90's was great, then you didn't see it almost kill the NBA when the pistons and spurs early 2000's runs happened. NBA is quicker to react to what fans like and usually has better game drama and less social drama than other sports.
Lol. It's like watching a multi player game of horse. The players are much more physical... the action, not so much. It's soft and poorly officiated
Nope, not true at all, you're a playoff watcher at best and probably not that, though you will lie about it to pretend to prove a point.
had to chuckle when I heard gordon hayward said making the decision to go to boston for 128 million/4 yrs was the hardest he's ever had to make.
The NBA is out of control. Super teams make the sport boring. Outrageous salaries make ticket prices much too high. Games are mostly attended by the 1% and by those who got tickets from businesses trying to impress clients. Players are silly (Google NBA Flat Earth). The way the game itself is played is bland-- fouls, far more dribbling than passing, and far too many 3's with far too little strategy. The playoffs go on for an eternity. The 82-game schedule is mostly pointless. Shall I go on?
Yet it's popularity continues to grow. Tickets are sold, merchandise is purchased and the league generates $6 billion a year.
Trying not to sound like the "old guy" but I havent watched since the 90s. Growing up with the classic Lakers- Celtics rivalries. Bird vs Magic. Bulls vs Pistons. Isaiah vs Jordan etc. Bad boys of Detroit vs the greatest ever Jordan. Just not the same today. End of rant now get off my damn lawn!! Lol
The elitist crowd thing is so overplayed. What you're citing is somebody able to sale two tickets for $20k to literally sit next to the bench and someone willing to pay for it. All sports do it, well NBA does allow it's spectators closest to the player, but the NBA gets the "1% exception". Cracks me up LOL
Not really. Just ask the Clippers. To get that amount, JJ was forced to sign only a one year deal and the Sixers were the only team willing to go to $20 million. The Sixers signed two guys to one year deals and were totally willing to over pay since they are trying to get over the cap floor for next season.
Yep, nothing better than an NBA regular season game or even the early playoffs. So much drama there. It's such a joke. Only 2 times in the leagues history has a seed lower than a 3 seed won it. Absolutely no drama to the game really. 26 teams have zero chance to win it at the start of the year. And how about this past seasons playoffs. It went exactly as planned and no close series really.
NBA's drama not even close to the NFL. Look at the 2010 packers foe example. Dead in the water after week 15, needed to win out and did. Last team in and won the Super Bowl. Want drama, NFL doesn't disappoint. Last years Super Bowl was amazing regardless of who you wanted to win it.
NBA should follow Soccer and have the awful teams drop down levels and just have tiers. That way these super teams don't have to play the T-wolves or the magic.
And to think most of the stadiums they play in are funded by tax dollars. A great way of bringing 12 jobs to a city.
Come on, any year now Governor Brownback's grand experiment with no income tax is going to start paying off. Heard rumors of a new Walmart.That would be a huge influx of jobs in Kansas!!
People are outraged at the players' salaries, look what the owners are making. The warriors owner bought the team for 450 million dollars 7 years ago. Today the team is worth 2.3 billion. Players deserve every nickel they can get on the open market
I saw Denver/Golden State from the 4th row and I am nowhere near the top 1% financially. It was most fun of any game I've ever been to.
You say the game has far too little strategy yet mention far too many 3s. The 3 point shot has become a legitimate strategy over the last 5-7 years. You now have more teams than ever trying unique lineups in hopes of beating Golden State (Memphis, Utah, San Antonio, Cleveland both with the double bigs), you have some embracing the three point shot entirely (Houston, Boston, Cleveland) while still having other organizations like the Knicks going with the triangle offense (though that's probably gone now that Phil's gone).
Also the last 4 different NBA Champions (Miami, San Antonio, Golden State and Cleveland) have all been teams that have embraced the new way to play (more 3s, screening and ball movement) while the ones that are stuck in the past are also down in the standings. This is the most pure talent the NBA has ever had and the product is sensational. I'm looking forward to next season and buying league pass for the 4th year in a row. Great games and players every night.
I'll admit I don't see more than maybe 20 regular season games, but I love the product.
It's a different basketball than pre 2000, but so is football and baseball.
Style of play is cyclical, and rules change with it.
It's a different basketball than pre 2000, but so is football and baseball.
Style of play is cyclical, and rules change with it.
Um, the average-- AVERAGE-- ticket price for Golden State last season was $240. Add the 4th row seat multiplier? You can pretend they were cheap, but you are either fibbing or you got an incredible deal. But don't pretend that is the norm.
As for strategy, I am not convinced. Shooting dozens of 3's and dribbling a lot is just regular street ball. Bowling almost has as much strategy as basketball does today. When a basketball player gets traded during the season, do they need time to figure out the team's complex offense? Nope, they play immediately.
Yeah but maybe he saw them in Denver, where the Nuggets generate about as much excitement as the local lacrosse franchises.
I'm glad some people enjoy the NBA, and I would never try to persuade them to stop watching. But if the Nuggets were playing in my driveway, I would shut the garage door.
I know what you're saying, but the alternative was to stay in Utah for $172 million over 5 years. Decisions indeed.
Right and you cherry picked the most popular team in the NBA that also happens to be located in the most affluent region of the country. Of course those tickets are disproportionately expensive. Also there is a lot of strategy involved, it's no longer throw it to the tallest guy and let him back down for 13 seconds. And there's tons of ball movement, Golden State has broken the record for most passes per 100 possessions multiple times in their recent run of success. Teams nowadays have so much more data they can design their offenses to get the most efficient shots for each player on their team. If you think there's not strategy it's because you don't understand it, not because it doesn't exist.
I wish I can have the opportunity to make that type of decision in the future.
Meh. Watching the 30 for 30 about the Celtics/Lakers rivalry and I had to laugh at a lot of the plays. Down 5 with 50 seconds to go? Everyone in the arena, including the announcers, were proclaiming the game unreachably over. Why? Because all the players did was drive to the paint and shoot a layup. Even in that do or die, two possession situation the players were deathly afraid to shoot a 3. It was astonishing. Today's basketball seems so much harder as you have to worry about 250 pound athletes like Lebron who can both drive it to the paint like it's the 80's, while also being deadly from the 3. It's a different world, and better for it IMO.
I enjoyed that 30 for 30 but also noticed something else. No one carried the basketball back then, whilst virtually every player on every possession does it in today's game. Hoiberg complained about it after one of the Bulls' losses in the playoffs and he is/was right. The officiating today is extremely poor, don't even get started on the traveling....
I said Golden State because the guy said he went to a Golden State game. Wake up.
No NBA-present lover can answer this: if the game is so complex, if the strategies are so advanced I cannot understand it, then how can players who are traded immediately start?
No professional sport lover can answer that question. When you reach the pinnacle of your sport your skill is the reason you play immediately. Put Julio Jones on the Patriots 2 days before week 1 he starts. Put Ronaldo anywhere he starts. Put Crosby anywhere, he starts. Essentially put a starter on another squad in any sport and they very likely start if they were brought in to improve the squad. NBA you might not start because the team is so deep (Golden St. and Iguadola for like the last 3 years). Stop it with the concept NBA is checkers and anything else is chess when it comes to professional athletes.
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