Much time has passed since our move from "Mediocrity"

[king_kong_]

These is the facts at Temple.

Not sure where your getting the Win totals under Golden. But in 5 years he was 27 and 34. with a 9 win season

Al Golden had one 9-win season during his time at Temple. This occurred in the 2009 season, where the Owls finished with a 9–4 record. It was a standout year for the program, marking their first winning season since 1990 and including a trip to the EagleBank Bowl, though they lost to UCLA, 30–21.

• Bobby Wallace (1998–2005):
  • Record: 19–71
  • Winning Percentage: .211
  • Notable: Wallace's tenure was marked by struggles, with the team failing to achieve a winning season during this period.
• Al Golden (2006–2010):
  • Record: 27–34
  • Winning Percentage: .443
  • Notable: Golden led the Owls to a significant turnaround, including a 9–4 season in 2009, which culminated in a bowl appearance.
• Steve Addazio (2011–2012):
  • Record: 13–11
  • Winning Percentage: .542
  • Notable: Addazio maintained the program's upward trajectory, securing a bowl victory during his tenure.

Overall, from 1998 to 2012, the Owls had a combined record of 59 wins and 116 losses, resulting in a winning percentage of approximately .337.

Your not acknowledging that Baylor was indeed a dumpster fire is just silly and shows your agenda on this.

I’ve acknowledged the sanctions at Baylor in every post I’ve made here.

But, Rhule’s predecessor built that historical laughing stock into a P5 conference championship program in the heart of a recruiting hotbed before they came down.

A fact you refuse to acknowledge due to your clear and obvious agenda.

I am just objectively reporting the news, bud.

Rhule is our guy and we all are rooting for him.

 

[king_kong_]

You really expected a lot from him his first year and most of thought Dylan was going to flawless.

I’ll judge him more after next season is completed not on January 16th..

Next season is Year 1 again, IMO

3 new coordinators

Rhule will be here until the end of the ‘26 season no matter what

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Frank Solich was a flawed coach. There were pros and cons to firing him based purely on his coaching/recruiting abilities.
However, what does not get discussed enough is the fact that in firing Solich you were doing more than firing a single coach. You were also destroying the offensive scheme and identity built by Osborne.
It was worth keeping Solich in order to keep that offensive system and identity. Solich needed better assistants. He hired Pelini and it seemed things were improving when he got shit canned.
We have never been the same.

 

[scarletred]

Next season is Year 1 again, IMO

3 new coordinators

Rhule will be here until the end of the ‘26 season no matter what

Coaches make assistant changes for the better.

Saban is a better example..

 

[king_kong_]

Coaches make assistant changes for the better.

Saban is a better example..

All 3 turning over in one offseason is pretty unique

 

[cavalot]

I’ve acknowledged the sanctions at Baylor in every post I’ve made here.

But, Rhule’s predecessor built that historical laughing stock into a P5 conference championship program in the heart of a recruiting hotbed before they came down.

A fact you refuse to acknowledge due to your clear and obvious agenda.

I am just objectively reporting the news, bud.

Rhule is our guy and we all are rooting for him.

You've acknowledged the sanctions and made light of them in every post.

It doesn't matter what Baylor was before Rhule. They were hampered by sanctions and had to be resurrected from the ashes, the fact he did that in short order should be acknowledged, and it was by the college football world. Just not king_kong, and apparently you know best.

I don't have an agenda other than to redirect misguided interpretations of the facts.

You're not reporting anything. You are spouting off per usual about how much you dislike MR and trying to downplay what he did at those other programs.

Very few, as in < 1% of your post about MR, would lead anyone to believe that you are rooting for him.

 

[cavalot]

he is less than .500 at NU.. for me, that put him in what I called a loser-average category.. and I noted that he was closer to average.

Some of you want to put him in the high performer category, but there is little evidence he belongs there.

Regardless of all the mental masturbation, there are a lot of indicators that say to me, he isn't that great of a head football coach... great speaker, yes.. absolutely, but that is sort of where MR's greatness begins and ends.

If we get to 9 wins next season, it will be mostly because of DH.. You can give MR some credit because his relationship got DH here, but let's not act like MR actually knows a whole lot about football.

And as stated before, if we get to 9 wins, I think MR declares victory on the 'rebuild' and is off to something else..

Maybe they can hang on to DH.. but I don't see MR here past next year.

How do you know that MR doesn't know much about football?

 

[king_kong_]

You've acknowledged the sanctions and made light of them in every post.

It doesn't matter what Baylor was before Rhule. They were hampered by sanctions and had to be resurrected from the ashes, the fact he did that in short order should be acknowledged, and it was by the college football world. Just not king_kong, and apparently you know best.

I don't have an agenda other than to redirect misguided interpretations of the facts.

You're not reporting anything. You are spouting off per usual about how much you dislike MR and trying to downplay what he did at those other programs.

Very few, as in < 1% of your post about MR, would lead anyone to believe that you are rooting for him.

I made light of nothing. You act like Baylor received the death penalty amid a run of zero-win seasons before Rhule took over.

There is no emotion or opinion in my posts.

Yours, however, are fraught with them.

Must be very difficult for you to have such a visceral reaction to simple facts.

 

[goldencohusker]

Frank Solich was a flawed coach. There were pros and cons to firing him based purely on his coaching/recruiting abilities.
However, what does not get discussed enough is the fact that in firing Solich you were doing more than firing a single coach. You were also destroying the offensive scheme and identity built by Osborne.
It was worth keeping Solich in order to keep that offensive system and identity. Solich needed better assistants. He hired Pelini and it seemed things were improving when he got shit canned.
We have never been the same.

The big question we'll never know the answer to is could anyone, other than Osborne, have kept that offensive system working to the level it needed to. While Solich technically ran the same system, as the overall talent level gradually declined under his leadership, the offense morphed from an IB focused attack with threat of QB run to the opposite. It still worked pretty well with Crouch at QB, but once he was gone the offense began to look really different and less effective. Heck, even Osborne had trouble getting that offense to work well at times, largely against quality opponents - the struggles against the Florida schools and other quality teams with speed in the late 80s/early 90s comes to mind.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

The big question we'll never know the answer to is could anyone, other than Osborne, have kept that offensive system working to the level it needed to. While Solich technically ran the same system, as the overall talent level gradually declined under his leadership, the offense morphed from an IB focused attack with threat of QB run to the opposite. It still worked pretty well with Crouch at QB, but once he was gone the offense began to look really different and less effective. Heck, even Osborne had trouble getting that offense to work well at times, largely against quality opponents - the struggles against the Florida schools and other quality teams with speed in the late 80s/early 90s comes to mind.

Osborne's offense was like any other in regard to needing a quality QB to make it work. When Osborne had a great dual threat QB (Turner Gill, Steve Taylor, Gerry Gadowski, Frazier, Frost) his offenses were great. When he had average QB's his offenses struggled. And yes, the overall team speed on defense for the Florida schools made life miserable for his offenses. But they made life miserable for all offenses. Those were some damn good teams loaded with speed and talent across the board. It wasn't until Osborne started recruiting defensive speed and shifted to a 4-3 that we started competing better against those schools.

I think that offense could have continued on under Solich. It was our identity. What we were famous for and known for. It made us a physical team. What Solich lacked was the same caliber of athletes since he was not a great recruiter. I also think some of the assistant coaches he inherited from Osborne had gotten lazy.

We should have kept that offense.

 

[cavalot]

I made light of nothing. You act like Baylor received the death penalty amid a run of zero-win seasons before Rhule took over.

There is no emotion or opinion in my posts.

Yours, however, are fraught with them.

Must be very difficult for you to have such a visceral reaction to simple facts.

Listen Adolf no matter how many times you continue to say the same thing over and over. It's just simply not going to be true.

You absolutely are stating an opinion as am I. My interpretation of his success at those places is clearly different than yours.

My opinions are based on the fact that he took over struggling programs and made them into winners. It is proven and it has been applauded by those in the know.

Yours are based on your interpretation that those struggling programs were in deed not struggling and that his work there is irrelevant and holds no merit. Or at least that's what you seem to be implying. That in itself is not factual.

I have no emotion tied to MR. I hope he succeeds and if he doesn't then he should be held accountable.

I do have an emotional reaction to people just talking crap without that crap being pointed out. There's enough of that going on all around the nation.

 

[king_kong_]

Listen Adolf no matter how many times you continue to say the same thing over and over. It's just simply not going to be true.

You absolutely are stating an opinion as am I. My interpretation of his success at those places is clearly different than yours.

My opinions are based on the fact that he took over struggling programs and made them into winners. It is proven and it has been applauded by those in the know.

Yours are based on your interpretation that those struggling programs were in deed not struggling and that his work there is irrelevant and holds no merit. Or at least that's what you seem to be implying. That in itself is not factual.

I have no emotion tied to MR. I hope he succeeds and if he doesn't then he should be held accountable.

I do have an emotional reaction to people just talking crap without that crap being pointed out. There's enough of that going on all around the nation.

Please list the opinions I’ve posted here.

Reminder: W-L records are not opinion.

Thanks.

 

[goldencohusker]

Osborne's offense was like any other in regard to needing a quality QB to make it work. When Osborne had a great dual threat QB (Turner Gill, Steve Taylor, Gerry Gadowski, Frazier, Frost) his offenses were great. When he had average QB's his offenses struggled. And yes, the overall team speed on defense for the Florida schools made life miserable for his offenses. But they made life miserable for all offenses. Those were some damn good teams loaded with speed and talent across the board. It wasn't until Osborne started recruiting defensive speed and shifted to a 4-3 that we started competing better against those schools.

I think that offense could have continued on under Solich. It was our identity. What we were famous for and known for. It made us a physical team. What Solich lacked was the same caliber of athletes since he was not a great recruiter. I also think some of the assistant coaches he inherited from Osborne had gotten lazy.

We should have kept that offense.

Do you think Solich still believed in the system and would have kept it if he had been retained? On paper, no one was more qualified to keep running that system than Solich, but he struggled. The recruiting shortcomings were undoubtedly a big part, but the offense was changing under him and I could never tell if he was trying to adapt it to fit his own philosophy or if he was adapting it because he felt he had to based on talent. If memory serves, when he was fired, he spent alot of time going around the country looking at other offense systems, which leads me to believe he saw the need for changes in philosophy and he wasn't just going to implement the Nebraska system where ever he landed and try to recruit better. I never followed his Ohio teams enough to see how different their offenses were, but my sense was that they had a much more balanced run/pass offense than Nebraska.

 

[king_kong_]

that his work there is irrelevant and holds no merit. Or at least that's what you seem to be implying. That in itself is not factual.

I, of course, said no such thing. This is you projecting and getting defensive (emotional response to simple facts like a program’s W-L record).

I do have an emotional reaction to people just talking crap without that crap being pointed out. There's enough of that going on all around the nation.

LOL.

Again, this is a you problem and does not apply to any of the posts I’ve made in this thread.

I appreciate your heroic snowflakitude. But when challenging people to deal in fact, I suggest you do the same.

 

[FissionReaction]

We should have kept that offense.

It's what set us apart from all the other schools. We were truly unique. In '03, Stewart Mandel (I think) wrote an article stating that it would be a mistake for Nebraska to scrap the option offense. He said that Nebraska would never be able to consistently recruit against the USC's and OU's of college football for the prototypical tall and lanky OT's, WR's and pro-style QBs. He was right.

Nebraska used to be known for hard-nosed, ground it out, tough football... and we scrapped it for some BS, pass-happy, "corn-coast" offense. Still makes me want to puke.

The gall of that POS Peterson to fire a 9-3 coach. And then the school did it again 10 years later. The school deserves to be cursed.