I tend to agree. Met him a couple times at games when he was wandering around in the stadium shortly after the gates opened. Seemed quite genuine and was willing to take the time to visit with a complete nobody average fan like myself
Much time has passed since our move from "Mediocrity"
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No. I really thought Frost would get it done. There is just something about this program and what surrounds it that isn't quite right.
Bo mentioned the "Fish Bowl" thing, and I believe that he was probably on to something there.
I think our fan base, and in particular some of the boosters can be a lot to deal with. I know other fan bases have their issues, but there is something about this place....and the fact that NU Football is really the only show in town.... it can at times be burdensome.
The people here suck. Starting a national job search to move out of this shithole with crappy weather and low pay/opportunity.
LOL... I see where you are going with that. Touche
However to my point about Nebraska....There's just not much to do so NU Football and sports in general seems to be in hyperfocus.
What does Rhule have to do on whether Sumlin is considered a good coach or not?
Not comparing Sumlin to Rhule, do you think Kevin Sumlin was a good head football coach?
We also neglected the QB position here.
Trying to make running QBs passers for the past 20 years.
Trying to make running QBs passers for the past 20 years.
Rhule could go 42-14 the next 56 games and @king_kong_ would still claim that Rhule isn't as good of a coach compared to Sumlin.
wouldn't be me saying it
Ws and Ls are recorded for a reason
it's probably the best metric to use when evaluating success/failure of a coach
maybe you prefer others?
believe he was 12-12 as a head coach before coming here.
riley was .500. rhule also .500.
I didn't expect frost to fail so spectacularly, but that was more feelings over logic.
The only problem with looking at sheer W/L is that your not taking into consideration the dumpster fires that he had to takeover and rebuild.
I think he's being facetious. It was aimed at a post I made talking about Nebraska not being the destination place that many think it should be.
I don't know anyone who uses 1 sole metric. You especially don't ignore the context that goes with each coach's situation.
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like sumlin taking over a program that had won 7 or less games in the big 12 3 of 4 years prior to his arrival and then moved to the SEC before he coached his first game there?
well, sumlin went on to win 8+ his first 5 seasons at A&M despite that
I found your wording to be hilarious. we would all kill for Sumlin's results from Rhule here
Yes.
Is there any single metric by which Rhule (a unanimously though of good football coach here) has outperformed Sumlin?
It’s easy to deduce your belief that Rhule >> Sumlin. I’m curious how you would objectively and tangibly defend this position.
Hooboy. Going 9-20 in your final years of being a head coach, much worse than your predecessor....
Why would I use any single metric when I think that process in comparing coaches is stupid? Not just for Rhule, but for any coach.
I've never claimed that Rhule >> Sumlin.
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I don't know.
I believe Rhule took over tougher situations at Temple, most definitely Baylor, and Nebraska than Sumlin did at Houston, Texas A&M and Arizona.
Rhule practically inherited nothing at Baylor and what he inherited at Nebraska was bad. I also believe Sumlin hit lightening in a bottle by inheriting Johnny Menzel (Heisman Winner / 1st rounder), Mike Evans (1st rounder), Luke Joeckel (1st rounder), Jarvis Harrison (drafted), Cedric Ogbuehi (1st rounder) and Jake Matthews (1st rounder) his first year at Texas A&M. All of the hype from that first year and all of those top recruiting classes were wasted as he just maintained being average by Texas A&M standards. He did an amazing job taking a chance on Kliff Kingsbury as his OC (something Rhule did mess up on at Nebraska, but hopefully corrected) and he coached in a tough SEC West.
Sumlin showed to be a dud at Arizona / very weak Pac-12. We'll see how Rhule does these next 2-3 years for me to be able to answer your question. Shoot, I may be able to answer it next year if Rhule completely flops. And if Rhule makes the CFP next year as a 10-12 seed, I'll still have troubles answering that question as I like to see if he's able to sustain success at a high level (something Sumlin wasn't able to do).
So Riley is average despite taking a 9 win every season team and turning it into a .500 team.
Meanwhile the guy that just took over for a team that won 3-4 games per season and put them in their first bowl game in over a decade and first win in even longer is “loser-average”.
Hahahaha
Shouldn’t have fired Bo - despite 4 (3 of them blowout) losses every season and a complete embarrassment of a human. Okay.
Shouldn’t have fired Frank despite awful recruiting classes and running the titanic into an iceberg. In 3 seasons he took a Ferrari and turned it into a Ford. Sorry but he needed to go.
Callahan is one I could be talked into the “shouldn’t have fired” category. Would have been nice to see what he could have done with that recruiting class including the future NFL QB he had in the fold.
Riley was always a .500 guy.. that's like a coin flip, so I call that average. The head coach went from high performer down to average, but yet you still think Pelini had to go.
Rhule currently has a winning % of .48, so that is less than 50.. which is net losing, but it's still close to .50, so I called it loser-average.. more average than losing for sure.
You know, it's not rocket science to folllow what I'm posting, but you sure seem like a Rhule apologist..
Bo was a high performer.. all these other clowns have done a lot worse in the win loss column. Bo was a good guy, but it was Nebraska's fragile heart fan base that ruined it, for Bo, and for everyone else.
Callahan was an alright coach, especially on offense, but he is like Rhule.. won't hold his buddies accountable.. I guess at least Rhule capitulated once the outrage reached such high levels in the fan base, but not before that. Had the fans not said anything, I'm sure Foley and Satt would still be doing what they were doing.
The whole bowl game bs you can blame on SF.. he declined to go to a bowl, removing us from more than likely getting to go to one.
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Frank definitely inherited a ferrari. But instead of driving it through a beautiful paved road in a meadow of goldenrods and daisies. He had to drive it through sage brush and thorns on a minimum maintenance road.
When Tom retired the writing was on the wall that the BIG 12 was no longer filled with patsies and sure wins.
With that said. Recruiting had fallen off from Tom's 90's recruiting classes which were mostly in the top 10. Ill give you that.
Reminder that Tom Osborne took over a championship level program and did what? Not win a NC for 20 years? Where would we have been had people jumped ship after year 5 and called for his job. Oh wait they did, and the powers that be (Devaney) told them to pound sand.
The thing about Rhule that we aren't considering in this W/L record is the poor teams that he came in to rebuild. What does it look like if we erase the first building seasons during his college tenures.
Temple: First season 2-10. Seasons 2-4 ...... 26-14 with back to back 10 win seasons to close out.
Baylor: First season 1-11. Seasons 2-3 .......18-9 with his final season 11 wins.
Nebraska: First Season 6-7. Season 2 ......7-6
So taking out the rebuild seasons Rhule has a record of 51 - 29 or a 64% winning record....This is again at rebuilds.
Temple and Baylor both experienced similar improvement in year 3 both jumping from 6-7 wins to double digit wins. Can we expect the same? Maybe. A lot depends on the climate I think.
Maybe we should wait this out before we become overly judgemental.
nah... I'm not buying the rebuild season logic but IF Rhule gets us to 9 or 10 wins, 100% he is outta here.. I guarantee it. He will claim rebuild victory and be outta here so fast.. it'd be like getting your pants off on prom night fast.
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If we had a competent AD instead of lawyer who knew how to hire a head coach without asking Barry Alvarez our history could have been very different the next 3 years and SF would still have been coaching UCF a few more years.
“Rebuilds”
Temple won more games in the 4 years prior to Rhule arriving than he won in his 4 years there
Baylor won more games in the 3 years prior to Rhule arriving than he won in his 3 years there
Those weren’t the dumpster fires many would like to believe they were when Rhule took over, even at Baylor where sanctions came down
The only preceding tenure he’s outperformed is Scott Frost’s
Come on dude.
No one won 10 games at Temple and Rhule did it back to back in his 2nd and 3 year. Golden came close with 9 wins in 2011. Temple was a bad program that Rhule made relevant with in 3 short years.
Baylor???? Dude it was coming off of probation. While Briles had some great success he left the program in shambles. To say otherwise is either ignorant or insincere.
If by year 4 we aren't winning 8-10 games you can claim victory and that you've been right all along. Until then try being just a bit supportive of what is trying to be done.
Maybe...who knows? But your claim is that he is a losing coach. I'm simply stating that there's more to the numbers than simply wins/losses.
What I posted was facts, not slander.
That “bad” program at temple won more games before Rhule got there than they did with him despite those 10-win seasons.
Baylor had sanctions, but also were at the literal pinnacle of their program’s history coming off a Big 12 title and Heisman winner. They had never, ever been better than in the years immediately preceding Rhule’s arrival.
Telling the truth doesn’t fly in the face of support.
Reality on reality’s terms.
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Your reality isn't necessarily "reality."
Acting like he took over a juggernaut at Temple, and then blowing off the implications of Baylor's sanctions and its subsequent effects on a program's success is not dealing in reality.
Truth and your reality are not one in the same. No matter how hard you try to spin it.
There isn't a single professional in the football world that doesn't give Rhule credit for what he did at those two schools.
I didn’t say he took over a juggernaut, just that he took over a program that produced more wins than him in the same time frame
I noted the sanctions twice with Baylor. Those came at a time when the program was at the very peak of its performance.
He didn’t take over a doormat at either place like you’re implying
He maintained prior success at both places, slightly improving at temple with their conference title under him.
NU is by far the worst program he’s been tasked with running, and the only actual “rebuild” he’s been tasked with architecting.
Those are all facts. Arguing with them makes you look foolish. As does assuming a recall of actual happenings is some sort of diss toward our head coach (it’s not).
Frankly, I think @HuskerO ’s opinion sums it up perfectly - after 10+ years as a collegiate head coach, nobody really knows if Rhule is good or not.
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Those aren't facts. Those are you interpretations of those situations. Just as mine are interpretations of those situations.
I listed the facts and they are open for interpretation. It's just that my interpretation is backed by nearly all football talking heads and coaches across the country with regards to both Baylor and Temple.
We will find out if Rhule is good or not indeed. But I believe that his work at Temple and Baylor are strong indicators that he is good if not very good.
It isn’t a fact that temple won more games in the 4 years prior to Rhule taking over than they won under Rhule?
Win totals prior to Rhule:
9, 8, 9, 4 = 30
Win totals under Rhule:
2, 6, 10, 10 = 28
It isn’t a fact that the years prior to Rhule arriving at Baylor were the best in the history of that program?
Nothing about this is my “interpretation”. It’s just what happened.
